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Old Nov 23, 2011, 08:44 PM
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Hi All,

I've got a Bixler on backorder and am hoping (probably should be praying) to get it by Christmas.

I am a newb when it comes to RC in the air so i'll be leaving it stock to start with and will no doubt adopt a few of the massive list of mods on this forum as i go. I've got a #3 keychain camera on order as well so i'll be sure to film all the fun (and crashes)

I have a few quick questions for everyone.
1. what is the safest / easiest method for attaching the wings. I want something that is easy to assemble / disassemble but secure. I have some 3M dual lock that i was going to use as per one of the rcgroups members instructions but noticed that there is many different methods.

2. what is the best glue to use for building and repairing epo foam planes.

Thanks in advance.
You're gonna love this plane!

I used the 3M Dual Lock for the wings. I LIGHTLY sanded the contact points with 400-grit and used alcohol as well. I applied the Dual Lock cut-to-shape and pressed it on with its own adhesive, and they are still holding. I did it in September when it was still warm outside, so do it inside if you choose to follow my method and let it sit over night where it's warm. (I am assuming here that warmth makes the adhesive adhere better.)

Good luck with whatever method you use!

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Old Nov 23, 2011, 08:52 PM
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You're gonna love this plane!

I used the 3M Dual Lock for the wings. I LIGHTLY sanded the contact points with 400-grit and used alcohol as well. I applied the Dual Lock cut-to-shape and pressed it on with its own adhesive, and they are still holding. I did it in September when it was still warm outside, so do it inside if you choose to follow my method and let it sit over night where it's warm. (I am assuming here that warmth makes the adhesive adhere better.)

Good luck with whatever method you use!

Aeronca
I used 3M Dual Lock too. It's a little hard to get the training edge of the wing apart. You have to be careful. The leading edge is easy... lots of strong foam to grab onto.

Lock the sides together, then cut to shape. Still with both sides locked together, use its adhesive to attach to one wing. Then assemble both wings in the plane and let the other side's adhesive stick onto the other wing right where it's aimed. Perfect alignment!
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Old Nov 23, 2011, 09:12 PM
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Just a dab of glue on the wings. I never use CA at all, all my planes a glue. And trust me, it holds. It's ez to use and not toxic. Watch my YouTube video of my bixler crash. No damage at all and she was back in the air in 30 min. I'll post it. I just forgot to beef up the wing spar. One fast dive will rip wings off for sure.

Bixler crash HD (5 min 5 sec)
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Old Nov 23, 2011, 09:17 PM
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Thanks guys. I like the fact the dual lock method is completely hidden giving a nice clean look. How much are you using. I was thinking 2 x 10 - 15mm wide strips (one close to the leading edge and one closer to the trailing edge) should be enough

You are right regarding adhesive working better when its warm aeronca. The adhesive softens allowing it to bond better. We use alot of DS tape in my industry (signage) and it can be a real PITA in winter. Its nice and warm (should read freakin hot) here in Australia now so i should get good bonding. Worst case, some CA behind it will help it along.
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Old Nov 23, 2011, 09:27 PM
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Just a dab of glue on the wings. I never use CA at all, all my planes a glue. And trust me, it holds. It's ez to use and not toxic. Watch my YouTube video of my bixler crash. No damage at all and she was back in the air in 30 min. I'll post it. I just forgot to beef up the wing spar. One fast dive will rip wings off for sure.
That was pretty cool. Man it fell fast

What do you guys use to beef up the spar? I've heard a piece of dowel that fits inside the CF spar. Is that the best (ie cheapest and most readily available) option? What size is required? I'd like to have all this stuff ready before the plane arrives.
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Old Nov 23, 2011, 09:27 PM
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Thanks guys. I like the fact the dual lock method is completely hidden giving a nice clean look. How much are you using. I was thinking 2 x 10 - 15mm wide strips (one close to the leading edge and one closer to the trailing edge) should be enough
This is the amount I am using and its between just right and a tad much. I would suggest using a larger piece for the increased adhesive area, then trim off some pegs till you get the connection you want.

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Old Nov 23, 2011, 09:30 PM
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Great, thanks jrjr. That looks like a good starting point. Do you guys using the dual lock use anything else, or is the dual lock enough on it own?

PS - Your avatar freaks me out, i can never tell if its my eyes playing up on me.
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Old Nov 23, 2011, 10:20 PM
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That was pretty cool. Man it fell fast

What do you guys use to beef up the spar? I've heard a piece of dowel that fits inside the CF spar. Is that the best (ie cheapest and most readily available) option? What size is required? I'd like to have all this stuff ready before the plane arrives.


my area hobby shop sells arrow shaffs for $2 the rod that fits inside is .240 cf tube.
i just ripped out the old and took it with me to size it better.
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Old Nov 24, 2011, 04:36 AM
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Thanks RUBNorris,

So you use the hooks and rubber band method, but i noticed you mentioned hot glue on the wings too? If i want to pull it apart for storage / transport (only necessary occasionally) wont hot glueing the wings be an issue.

I have hot glue and velcro already and extreme packing tape and blenderm tape are on my shopping list.

Is the foam safe CA from HK any good or is normal CA OK? is thin or medium better?

Cheers
I also use 'Guy1a' Velcro method to hold the wings secure. Not as much drag as the rubber band idea.
Also CA (plain super glue)is good for foam repairs. I get it from my local 99p store. 2 bottles, yes that's right 2 bottles for 99p.
Hot glue is heavy and using that soon puts weight up.
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Old Nov 24, 2011, 11:51 AM
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What do you guys use to beef up the spar?
A CF ribbon embedded and CA'd into a vertical slot makes the wing feel like concrete.
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Old Nov 24, 2011, 01:31 PM
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Hi guys just recieved my RTF Bixler and unboxed it.
The question I have is that the fuselage is in two parts.
At what point do I have to glue this is it prior to
putting wings and tail section on or before.
Thanks for you help.
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Old Nov 24, 2011, 01:57 PM
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Hi guys just recieved my RTF Bixler and unboxed it.
The question I have is that the fuselage is in two parts.
At what point do I have to glue this is it prior to
putting wings and tail section on or before.
Thanks for you help.
I never heard of the Bixler fuselage coming in two pieces in the RTF version, are you sure you didn't buy the kit?

At any rate, the fuselage must be glued together prior to gluing on the tail section or attaching the wings.

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Old Nov 24, 2011, 02:00 PM
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mine did too.
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Old Nov 24, 2011, 02:03 PM
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Before u do!. Tape the whole inner fuselage with strong tape. Go crazy, u will be glade u did. Keeps the tail and nose from POPing into pices. So tape up both sides then glue together. Everyone crashed......just be ready. lol
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Old Nov 24, 2011, 02:20 PM
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Before u do!. Tape the whole inner fuselage with strong tape. Go crazy, u will be glade u did. Keeps the tail and nose from POPing into pices. So tape up both sides then glue together. Everyone crashed......just be ready. lol
If you do this, surly when you crash the foam will crack and you will have problems trying to glue it. Although it might hold the bits together.
Also all that adds weight that you don't need.
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