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Old Apr 23, 2011, 03:01 PM
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Pro/Con connecting Rudder to Aileron on 3 channel planes

All, I recently got a new electric plane, Twirl Gyrocopter from Lightflite. It only has elevator and rudder control. I've switched the rudder to aileron, makes it much easier to fly. I got the idea from flying my Ember 2. I complained at first the way the controls where setup on the Ember, always had problems controlling it on the ground, as the rudder didn't do anything (old habits). But is much easier flying in that configuration.

I wanted to get other thoughts/opinions on mapping rubber to aileron on three channel controls. I never would have done this if the Ember hadn't gotten me used to this type of configuration. Is this an accepted configuration ? recommended ?

Thanks,

Joe
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Old Apr 23, 2011, 03:15 PM
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Firs of all, the way the transmitter is setup is as follows:

MODE 2

Left Stick:
THROTTLE/YAW

Right Stick:
ROLL/PITCH


DO NOT REFER TO THE FUNCTIONS AS "Aileron/Rudder, ect. ect.".

The REASON why we plug the control surface known as the "rudder" into the ROLL control on 3 channel aircraft is because the rudder actuates ROLL, in conjunction with the dihedral in the aircrafts wing.

When you transition from a 3 channel aircraft that uses tailfeather control surfaces, to a 4 channel aircraft that uses tailfeather AND wing TE control surfaces, you will not have a SINGLE problem, because you have already learned that the Right stick controls the PITCH/ROLL control.

CONTROL SURFACES ARE IRRELEVANT. ROLL is ROLL, NO MATTER what control surface accomplishes it.
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Old Apr 23, 2011, 03:47 PM
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Rudder........elevator............aileron......... motor.

That is my designation of the control channels.

Plane completely understands those inputs.

Rudder & elevator have always been on my right joystick.

Left joystick is throttle & aileron. 3 to the 6 channel rigs.
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Old Apr 23, 2011, 05:17 PM
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For some reason Express has taken to shouting and colorizing lately which is totally annoying never mind condescending.

As cyclops pointed out, not all of us fly mode 2, although it is most common in the US. If you're comfortable with mode 2 by all means stay with that mode. I fly mode 2 and on all my rudder/elevator planes I put my rudder in the aileron channel. Also, if the radio permits I use a mix with Rudder master and Aileron slave. That way, both sticks will move the rudder, makes for simple ground handling if you have landing gear.

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Old Apr 23, 2011, 05:26 PM
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Very common at the fields I fly at.
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Old Apr 23, 2011, 05:49 PM
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Very common at the fields I fly at.
You're flying mode 4, are you saying mode 2 is common at your field or mode 4? I really like mode 4, unfortunately I tried switching, but so many years of mode 2 ingrained made it too much of a learning curve to change.

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Old Apr 23, 2011, 05:53 PM
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firs of all, the way the transmitter is setup is as follows:

mode 2

left stick:
Throttle/yaw

right stick:
roll/pitch


do not refer to the functions as "aileron/rudder, ect. Ect.".

The reason why we plug the control surface known as the "rudder" into the roll control on 3 channel aircraft is because the rudder actuates roll, in conjunction with the dihedral in the aircrafts wing.

When you transition from a 3 channel aircraft that uses tailfeather control surfaces, to a 4 channel aircraft that uses tailfeather and wing te control surfaces, you will not have a single problem, because you have already learned that the right stick controls the pitch/roll control.

Control surfaces are irrelevant. Roll is roll, no matter what control surface accomplishes it.
you got to be kidding !!!
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Old Apr 23, 2011, 06:06 PM
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All, I recently got a new electric plane, Twirl Gyrocopter from Lightflite. It only has elevator and rudder control. I've switched the rudder to aileron, makes it much easier to fly. I got the idea from flying my Ember 2. I complained at first the way the controls where setup on the Ember, always had problems controlling it on the ground, as the rudder didn't do anything (old habits). But is much easier flying in that configuration.

I wanted to get other thoughts/opinions on mapping rubber to aileron on three channel controls. I never would have done this if the Ember hadn't gotten me used to this type of configuration. Is this an accepted configuration ? recommended ?

Thanks,

Joe
eeyore124,

Keep it the way you have it. You will be fine. The rudder plugged into the aileron channel is a very common practice. I have my Eaststar set up that way. Remember your flying it not anyone else. When I switch to my 4 channel 150 Twist with a Saito 220 in it the ailerons are on the right and there is no adjustment to be made.
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Old Apr 23, 2011, 06:20 PM
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We all agree.

This is one time when anything that feels better to you. Is ABSOLUTLY CORRECT.

Enjoy.
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Old Apr 23, 2011, 06:23 PM
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For some reason Express has taken to shouting and colorizing lately which is totally annoying never mind condescending.
You don't like it, you don't have to, I'm not making anybody like it. But, I like to make my posts as clear and concise as possible. I have found that the mandated use of bold lettering as well as colorized words helps to allow for a better understanding, instead of clouding the points of the post up with words. It makes the main points stand out, so that the information can be portrayed as best as possible.

I use CAPITOLS to prevent the use of more bold lettering. Not everything has to be bold. The use of different character styling (italics, bold, underline, caps, ect.) allows control of different points, I.E. bold lettering as most important, caps as next important, ect. ect.
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Old Apr 23, 2011, 06:30 PM
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Firs of all, the way the transmitter is setup is as follows:

MODE 2

Left Stick:
THROTTLE/YAW

Right Stick:
ROLL/PITCH


DO NOT REFER TO THE FUNCTIONS AS "Aileron/Rudder, ect. ect.".

The REASON why we plug the control surface known as the "rudder" into the ROLL control on 3 channel aircraft is because the rudder actuates ROLL, in conjunction with the dihedral in the aircrafts wing.

When you transition from a 3 channel aircraft that uses tailfeather control surfaces, to a 4 channel aircraft that uses tailfeather AND wing TE control surfaces, you will not have a SINGLE problem, because you have already learned that the Right stick controls the PITCH/ROLL control.

CONTROL SURFACES ARE IRRELEVANT. ROLL is ROLL, NO MATTER what control surface accomplishes it.
Calm down man, yikes! What have you been putting in your coffee? You go to all that trouble of telling him not to call it aileron and rudder and then call the stabilizers "tailfeathers"? Step down from your high horse. We can use whatever terminology we want. His question did not require you to tell him to do things your way. And another kicker, it's not just roll control on the right stick when you are using the rudder to make turns, it gets learned as both roll and yaw when you learn on a model like that... so it does screw up rudder control down the line. Optimally, on a rudder/elevator/throttle plane you'd mix the left and right stick so that they both control the rudder.
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^Read my above post

I do not use capitol letter to portray volume, UNLESS there is exclamation points at the end of the sentence.

This is not shouting: Part A gets glued to part B- DO NOT FORGET to use the CORRECT adhesive amount, otherwise you might just find out the parts wanted a divorce.

This is shouting: I think that WE SHOULD ALL STOP SHOUTING!!!

ect. ect.
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This is shouting: I think that WE SHOULD ALL STOP SHOUTING!!!
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Old Apr 23, 2011, 06:41 PM
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Caps = shouting on the internet, regardless of the punctuation, that's just how it works.
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Old Apr 23, 2011, 06:52 PM
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Last time I tried to type in capitols, I had the feds sniffing down my neck for five months.

Typing in capitals works much better...


Man, I should write EVERYTHING like that
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