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Old Aug 17, 2003, 04:15 AM
MichaelMandavil
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Tower Hobbies first order: Piece O' Cake!

Today I received my first order from Tower Hobbies, and it is a Dynaflite Piece
O' Cake glow powered sailplane. This will be my first radio controlled model
plane, although I have built one die-cut free flight glow powered sailplane
already. The day after I placed my order for the Piece O' Cake, I noticed that
the price had been reduced to a couple of dollars less than what I had sent.
Because of this, I was curious to know how Tower would handle the situation.
Well, first of all, I was given the plane at the new reduced price, and then I
was given a two dollar credit for a future purchase. In addition to this, I
was sent what the invoice refers to as a "new customer package", which includes
a 288 page color catalog. In the back of the catalog, I notice it says "at
your request, we will issue a refund check for any outstanding credit". Well,
I am very happy that I was sent the package as quickly as I was, so I have
decided to let that two dollars ride, because I certainly will be placing
additional orders with Tower in the future. More specifically, It was just
eight days ago that I mailed the check, by traditional mail, not email,
requesting the kit, and I included the standard eight dollar shipping and
handling fee. Well, the package was Sent by Federal Express! I suspect that
since I am a new customer, Tower was only trying to impress me. Well, all I
have to say about that is _it worked_!

Before I mailed the letter, I read every newsgroup posting which has ever been
made about the Piece O' Cake several times over, so I like to think that I am
launching into this project with my eyes wide open. For example, I know that
there other similar kits on the market which are laser cut, and I know that the
first flight attempts with the Piece O' Cake should be reserved for calm days
when the wind is five miles per hour or less. I also purchased a couple of
books at my local hobby shop. They were "Radio Control Sailplanes", by Alan
Gornick, and "2-Stroke Glow Engines for R/C Aircraft", by David Gierke. These
books have information that I think I would not be able to do without, such as
information on ballasting and break in.

There is one thing which has me curious, though. According to the instruction
manual which comes with the plane, the Piece O' Cake landing gear is "not
intended for taking off (from) the ground". The plane is designed to be hand
launched. Can anyone here give me some insight into this situation? I
understand about hand launching, but if I tried to take off from the ground,
would I be asking for trouble? By the way, I am very impressed by this kit so
far. The rolled three-foot by four-foot plans lay down accurately, without a
crease, and the seven-inch by eight-and-one-half inch forty-four page
instruction manual appears to be very detailed. The good wood is well cut, and
includes balsa, bass, and ply wood.

Michael

Michael Mandaville
Austin, Texas
We have our own independant power grid!
Old Aug 17, 2003, 04:15 AM
Randy Baker
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Re: Tower Hobbies first order: Piece O' Cake!

Hi Michael,

Welcome to the obsession. I ordered my first plane from Tower in
1999, a Kadet Senior. I don't have any experience with the Piece O
Cake, but according to one of my flying buddies, sailplanes are a
great way to learn as that's how he learned some 20 years ago with a
Sig Riser. My personal favorite is a Soarstar, sold by Horizon. It
comes with almost everything, it's electric, it will fly for 45
minutes or more on a NiMH pack, and it will thermal forever. Well...
I've drifted as usual.

The best piece of advice (which will no doubt be repeated) is to find
an R/C club and ask someone for flying assistance after you've built
your plane. I had help from guys in our local club and still managed
to destroy a couple of planes. The members of the club can offer
building advice as well. Most clubs are very helpful.

Another big help in learning the coordination necessary to handle the
transmitter controls is Real Flight flight simulator. I would
recommend Real Flight G2 as it has an option called "look at ground"
that really gives you the perception needed to practice landing, which
is the hardest part of R/C.

I'm sure you'll be happy with Tower. They're not perfect, and some
guys complain about them at times, but they're a good company. I've
had a few problems with them, or rather their choice of freight
companies, but Tower has always corrected any problem - every single
time...

Good luck.

Randy Baker


michaelmandavil@aol.com (MichaelMandavil) wrote in message news:<20030816173636.02463.00000050@mb-m23.aol.com>...
> Today I received my first order from Tower Hobbies, and it is a Dynaflite Piece
> O' Cake glow powered sailplane. This will be my first radio controlled model
> plane, although I have built one die-cut free flight glow powered sailplane
> already. The day after I placed my order for the Piece O' Cake, I noticed that
> the price had been reduced to a couple of dollars less than what I had sent.
> Because of this, I was curious to know how Tower would handle the situation.
> Well, first of all, I was given the plane at the new reduced price, and then I
> was given a two dollar credit for a future purchase. In addition to this, I
> was sent what the invoice refers to as a "new customer package", which includes
> a 288 page color catalog. In the back of the catalog, I notice it says "at
> your request, we will issue a refund check for any outstanding credit". Well,
> I am very happy that I was sent the package as quickly as I was, so I have
> decided to let that two dollars ride, because I certainly will be placing
> additional orders with Tower in the future. More specifically, It was just
> eight days ago that I mailed the check, by traditional mail, not email,
> requesting the kit, and I included the standard eight dollar shipping and
> handling fee. Well, the package was Sent by Federal Express! I suspect that
> since I am a new customer, Tower was only trying to impress me. Well, all I
> have to say about that is _it worked_!
>
> Before I mailed the letter, I read every newsgroup posting which has ever been
> made about the Piece O' Cake several times over, so I like to think that I am
> launching into this project with my eyes wide open. For example, I know that
> there other similar kits on the market which are laser cut, and I know that the
> first flight attempts with the Piece O' Cake should be reserved for calm days
> when the wind is five miles per hour or less. I also purchased a couple of
> books at my local hobby shop. They were "Radio Control Sailplanes", by Alan
> Gornick, and "2-Stroke Glow Engines for R/C Aircraft", by David Gierke. These
> books have information that I think I would not be able to do without, such as
> information on ballasting and break in.
>
> There is one thing which has me curious, though. According to the instruction
> manual which comes with the plane, the Piece O' Cake landing gear is "not
> intended for taking off (from) the ground". The plane is designed to be hand
> launched. Can anyone here give me some insight into this situation? I
> understand about hand launching, but if I tried to take off from the ground,
> would I be asking for trouble? By the way, I am very impressed by this kit so
> far. The rolled three-foot by four-foot plans lay down accurately, without a
> crease, and the seven-inch by eight-and-one-half inch forty-four page
> instruction manual appears to be very detailed. The good wood is well cut, and
> includes balsa, bass, and ply wood.
>
> Michael
>
> Michael Mandaville
> Austin, Texas
> We have our own independant power grid!

Old Aug 18, 2003, 04:00 AM
Morris Lee
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Re: Tower Hobbies first order: Piece O' Cake!

As plenty of folks will tell you, your best bet is to get into a club or at
least let an experienced RC flyer help you. A simulator is a very good
investment in getting started. If RealFlight, the best one out there, is
too pricey for you, you can download FMS for free. Doo a Google search for
FMS simulator and you'll find the site. You'll have to get or make yourself
an interface cable for it, though, and the planes don't exactly fly like the
actual models. There are also other commercially-available sims that are
not as expensive, or as good, as RealFlight, but you can learn on them.

I agree the POC should be hand launched. It's a hard plane to handle on the
ground, and the little .049 probably doesn't have the oomph for good ROG
(rise off ground) takeoffs. Most entry-level powered sailplanes have
engines/motors have just enough power for slow, gentle climbs. The landing
gear is on there mostly to keep the prop from hitting the ground when it
lands.

--
Morris Lee
morris.lee@verizon.net
"MichaelMandavil" <michaelmandavil@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20030816173636.02463.00000050@mb-m23.aol.com...
> Today I received my first order from Tower Hobbies, and it is a Dynaflite

Piece
> O' Cake glow powered sailplane. This will be my first radio controlled

model
> plane,

<snip>
> There is one thing which has me curious, though. According to the

instruction
> manual which comes with the plane, the Piece O' Cake landing gear is "not
> intended for taking off (from) the ground". The plane is designed to be

hand
> launched. Can anyone here give me some insight into this situation? I
> understand about hand launching, but if I tried to take off from the

ground,
> would I be asking for trouble?


> Michael
>
> Michael Mandaville
> Austin, Texas
> We have our own independant power grid!



Old Aug 18, 2003, 04:00 AM
Morgans
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Re: Tower Hobbies first order: Piece O' Cake!


"MichaelMandavil" <michaelmandavil@aol.com> wrote
>


I don't yet have a radio, although I will probably just get one with two
> channels for this year, since I already spent so much money on the lathe

that I
> want to watch my spending as closely as I can for awhile. >
> Cheers!
>
> Michael
>

Bad move getting a two channel. You will have something that will be
useless after this model. Plus the fact that you will be wasting money
buying batteries, instead of charging battery packs. Get a 4 channel with a
buddy chord attatchment built in. Tower makes a real cheap setup.
--
Jim in NC--


Old Aug 18, 2003, 04:00 AM
Doug McLaren
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Re: Tower Hobbies first order: Piece O' Cake!

In article <20030817152655.06584.00000106@mb-m28.aol.com>,
MichaelMandavil <michaelmandavil@aol.com> wrote:


| ..and thanks for the warm welcome. Although I identified myself as
| being from Austin, Texas, I actually live outside of the Austin city
| limits, and I am a long way from the nearest club

There's two clubs in Austin -- HCAM and ARCA. I doubt any is really
*too* far. But of course, they'll require that you at least be an AMA
member to fly at either field, and that's $58/year or so. And then
they'll want you to join the club, another $50/year ...

HCAM doesn't do much in the way of gliders, however. Dunno about ARCA ...

Most of the glider fliers fly at Zilker park or at one of the local
slopes. I don't know of any laws that prohibit IC engines at Zilker
park, but I've never seen one in use there so even if there isn't such
a law, it might not be a good idea. I assume you've got a good place
to fly near your house?

| I just spent several hundred dollars on a metal working lathe,
| though, so that should give you an indication of just how serious I
| am about this hobby.

Hmm, not really sure what you need it for, but ...

| I don't yet have an engine, though I am planning on purchasing the
| Norvel .049.

Seems awfully small. But then again, I have a Dynaflite Butterfly,
and it's got an 0.20 -- plenty of power. It's a bigger plane,
however.

| I already have a tool stand which should make a good foundation for
| a break-in stand. I'm sure you must already know that this engine
| has a throttled carburetor. Although I plan on getting started with
| two channels, I probably will eventually add a third channel to the
| Piece O' Cake.

I'd suggest doing that right off the bat. It won't cost much more.

| I don't yet have a radio, although I will probably just get one with
| two channels for this year, since I already spent so much money on
| the lathe that I want to watch my spending as closely as I can for
| awhile.

Bad plan. Get a 4 channel radio, at least. You don't want something
that you'll outgrow in a few weeks.

I'm in Austin. I'll sell you used 4 channel transmitter, receiver and
three or four standard servos for $40 or so. (Email me if you're
interested.) I'm not much of a builder, but if you like I may be able
to help you check your plane before you fly it the first time, and can
give some pointers on your first flight.

| I expect to be making my own engines before long!

Ahh, that's what the lathe is for. Most people don't have one

--
Doug McLaren, dougmc@frenzy.com Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition !
Old Aug 18, 2003, 04:00 AM
Hollis Fenn
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Re: Tower Hobbies first order: Piece O' Cake!

I, too, ordered a Piece-O'-Cake from Tower- 21 years ago. I learned to fly
on that plane using a Cox Black Widow and a Tower Astro GX202 2-channel
radio. Yes, I bought another radio the next year, but at the time it was all
I could afford. The dry cells lasted a long time, especially in the
transmitter. I later used the radio in a Sig Colt with a CL Fox.15 (no
throttle) and then a Craft-Air Cowboy .15. All my first flights were with
two channel airplanes so I never developed a dread of dead stick landings,
they just came natural after learning that way.
The first 4-channel plane I got to fly was a friend's Telemaster after he
saw me fly my planes. I quickly adjusted to the elevator being on the other
side.
Do what you wanna do.
"Doug McLaren" <dougmc@frenzy.com> wrote in message
news:E%U%a.170713$TJ.10144648@twister.austin.rr.co m...
> In article <20030817152655.06584.00000106@mb-m28.aol.com>,
> MichaelMandavil <michaelmandavil@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
> | ..and thanks for the warm welcome. Although I identified myself as
> | being from Austin, Texas, I actually live outside of the Austin city
> | limits, and I am a long way from the nearest club
>
> There's two clubs in Austin -- HCAM and ARCA. I doubt any is really
> *too* far. But of course, they'll require that you at least be an AMA
> member to fly at either field, and that's $58/year or so. And then
> they'll want you to join the club, another $50/year ...
>
> HCAM doesn't do much in the way of gliders, however. Dunno about ARCA ...
>
> Most of the glider fliers fly at Zilker park or at one of the local
> slopes. I don't know of any laws that prohibit IC engines at Zilker
> park, but I've never seen one in use there so even if there isn't such
> a law, it might not be a good idea. I assume you've got a good place
> to fly near your house?
>
> | I just spent several hundred dollars on a metal working lathe,
> | though, so that should give you an indication of just how serious I
> | am about this hobby.
>
> Hmm, not really sure what you need it for, but ...
>
> | I don't yet have an engine, though I am planning on purchasing the
> | Norvel .049.
>
> Seems awfully small. But then again, I have a Dynaflite Butterfly,
> and it's got an 0.20 -- plenty of power. It's a bigger plane,
> however.
>
> | I already have a tool stand which should make a good foundation for
> | a break-in stand. I'm sure you must already know that this engine
> | has a throttled carburetor. Although I plan on getting started with
> | two channels, I probably will eventually add a third channel to the
> | Piece O' Cake.
>
> I'd suggest doing that right off the bat. It won't cost much more.
>
> | I don't yet have a radio, although I will probably just get one with
> | two channels for this year, since I already spent so much money on
> | the lathe that I want to watch my spending as closely as I can for
> | awhile.
>
> Bad plan. Get a 4 channel radio, at least. You don't want something
> that you'll outgrow in a few weeks.
>
> I'm in Austin. I'll sell you used 4 channel transmitter, receiver and
> three or four standard servos for $40 or so. (Email me if you're
> interested.) I'm not much of a builder, but if you like I may be able
> to help you check your plane before you fly it the first time, and can
> give some pointers on your first flight.
>
> | I expect to be making my own engines before long!
>
> Ahh, that's what the lathe is for. Most people don't have one
>
> --
> Doug McLaren, dougmc@frenzy.com Nobody expects the Spanish

Inquisition !


Old Aug 19, 2003, 04:01 AM
MichaelMandavil
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Re: Tower Hobbies first order: Piece O' Cake!

Hi again, guys,

Today I went to the Hobby Lobby, and purchased a tilt top desk, which I will be
using to build the Piece O' Cake on, and my future models as well. It was just
fifty dollars, which is only twenty dollars more than the Great Planes
forty-eight inch Pro Building Board, and the desk came with a chair and a lamp.
The frame is not too strong, but I've already decided to move up to the next
one later on, which has a stronger frame.

Hollis, thanks for putting in a good word about two channel flying. One of the
reasons why I decided to get a two channel radio is because I like the idea of
having a backup radio, in case my main radio goes in the shop. Actually, I
think that I could probably have a radio control system for a long time without
needing to put it in the shop, although I do get careless sometimes. For
examole, I have already spilled tea on my plans!

Doug, I'm not ready to purchase a four channel radio just yet, though I expect
that I probably will be by next spring, and if your offer is still good at that
time, I might just buy it. I probably will be joining the Academy of Model
Aeronautics next season, The Hill Country Aeromodelers flying field would be
the closest field to where I live, and according to Yahoo maps, it is
twenty-four miles from my house.

I know that the Butterfly is the big brother of the Piece O' Cake, and I've
been thinking that I might even build one myself for my second plane.
Evidently, the Butterfly can be flown even more slowly than the Piece O' Cake,
and according to my information, it can be landed at speeds as slow as twelve
miles per hour. I find that to be amazing. Well, I'm going to get busy now,
and put my desk together.

Michael

Michael Mandaville
I live in the hill country

>Hollis Fenn


>I, too, ordered a Piece-O'-Cake from Tower- 21 years ago. I learned to fly
>on that plane using a Cox Black Widow and a Tower Astro GX202 2-channel
>radio. Yes, I bought another radio the next year, but at the time it was all
>I could afford. The dry cells lasted a long time, especially in the
>transmitter. I later used the radio in a Sig Colt with a CL Fox.15 (no
>throttle) and then a Craft-Air Cowboy .15. All my first flights were with
>two channel airplanes so I never developed a dread of dead stick landings,
>they just came natural after learning that way.
>The first 4-channel plane I got to fly was a friend's Telemaster after he
>saw me fly my planes. I quickly adjusted to the elevator being on the other
>side.
>Do what you wanna do.
>"Doug McLaren" <dougmc@frenzy.com> wrote in message
>news:E%U%a.170713$TJ.10144648@twister.austin.rr.c om...
>> In article <20030817152655.06584.00000106@mb-m28.aol.com>,
>> MichaelMandavil <michaelmandavil@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> | ..and thanks for the warm welcome. Although I identified myself as
>> | being from Austin, Texas, I actually live outside of the Austin city
>> | limits, and I am a long way from the nearest club
>>
>> There's two clubs in Austin -- HCAM and ARCA. I doubt any is really
>> *too* far. But of course, they'll require that you at least be an AMA
>> member to fly at either field, and that's $58/year or so. And then
>> they'll want you to join the club, another $50/year ...
>>
>> HCAM doesn't do much in the way of gliders, however. Dunno about ARCA ...
>>
>> Most of the glider fliers fly at Zilker park or at one of the local
>> slopes. I don't know of any laws that prohibit IC engines at Zilker
>> park, but I've never seen one in use there so even if there isn't such
>> a law, it might not be a good idea. I assume you've got a good place
>> to fly near your house?
>>
>> | I just spent several hundred dollars on a metal working lathe,
>> | though, so that should give you an indication of just how serious I
>> | am about this hobby.
>>
>> Hmm, not really sure what you need it for, but ...
>>
>> | I don't yet have an engine, though I am planning on purchasing the
>> | Norvel .049.
>>
>> Seems awfully small. But then again, I have a Dynaflite Butterfly,
>> and it's got an 0.20 -- plenty of power. It's a bigger plane,
>> however.
>>
>> | I already have a tool stand which should make a good foundation for
>> | a break-in stand. I'm sure you must already know that this engine
>> | has a throttled carburetor. Although I plan on getting started with
>> | two channels, I probably will eventually add a third channel to the
>> | Piece O' Cake.
>>
>> I'd suggest doing that right off the bat. It won't cost much more.
>>
>> | I don't yet have a radio, although I will probably just get one with
>> | two channels for this year, since I already spent so much money on
>> | the lathe that I want to watch my spending as closely as I can for
>> | awhile.
>>
>> Bad plan. Get a 4 channel radio, at least. You don't want something
>> that you'll outgrow in a few weeks.
>>
>> I'm in Austin. I'll sell you used 4 channel transmitter, receiver and
>> three or four standard servos for $40 or so. (Email me if you're
>> interested.) I'm not much of a builder, but if you like I may be able
>> to help you check your plane before you fly it the first time, and can
>> give some pointers on your first flight.
>>
>> | I expect to be making my own engines before long!
>>
>> Ahh, that's what the lathe is for. Most people don't have one
>>
>> --
>> Doug McLaren, dougmc@frenzy.com Nobody expects the Spanish

>Inquisition !

Old Aug 21, 2003, 04:00 AM
jim breeeyar
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Re: Tower Hobbies first order: Piece O' Cake!

I have seen the larger Butterfly rise off ground quite well with a .25
engine . Pretty tough bird. I would have gone for the Butterfly.
Get a good radio if you can afford it. Think ahead if you are hooked by
the hobby.

MichaelMandavil wrote:
> Today I received my first order from Tower Hobbies, and it is a Dynaflite Piece
> O' Cake glow powered sailplan


Old Aug 21, 2003, 04:00 AM
Doug McLaren
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Re: Tower Hobbies first order: Piece O' Cake!

In article <20030819012236.29741.00000184@mb-m21.aol.com>,
MichaelMandavil <michaelmandavil@aol.com> wrote:

| Doug, I'm not ready to purchase a four channel radio just yet,
| though I expect that I probably will be by next spring

I still think you're making a mistake not getting a four channel radio
now. You don't save much money with a two channel radio (unless it's
free, I guess) -- the cheapest ones are $43 (Futaba 2ER (two stick,
two channel - yuck! but it's the cheapest.) from Tower Hobbies) and
that doesn't even have rechargable batteries!

At least get yourself a 3 channel like the Futaba 3FR for $70 or an
equivilent Hitec radio. That will let you control your throttle, once
you spend $10 on another servo. Still no rechargable batteries, though.

You really do want rechargable batteries! If nothing else, go down to
Wal Mart or Home Depot and find the 4 packs of 800-900 NiCd cells
(meant for solar lawn lights) for $5 each. You'll need a charger, but
you can get that from your hobby store too.

You really do want a throttle on your engine too. You'll be able to
get airborne, drop to idle, look for thermals, and then as you've lost
altitude, give it power again, and get some altitude again. Electrics
are best at that, but glow engines are ok too.

Or suppose you've taken off, and then you realize you forgot your
lunch appointment -- without a throttle, you can't land until you're
out of fuel.

Being on a budget, I wouldn't worry about a backup radio. They don't
break often. But if you must, a backup 4 channel is more useful than
a backup 2 channel -- after all, you can just ignore the other stick
if your plane doesn't need it.

Often these two channel radios only havve single conversion radios,
only good for 500-1000 feet. It's easy to fly a glider further away
than that ...

But if you really do want a 2 channel, check Ebay. Lots of people buy
them, realize they are very limiting, and sell them off cheap. You're
never really sure what you're getting, but they should be cheap.

| and if your offer is still good at that time, I might just buy it.

Probably. Add $10 and I'll even replace the battery packs with brand
new NiCds (they're old enough that this should be done anyways.)

| I probably will be joining the Academy of Model Aeronautics next
| season, The Hill Country Aeromodelers flying field would be the
| closest field to where I live, and according to Yahoo maps, it is
| twenty-four miles from my house.

They're a nice bunch of guys. Go to a meeting if you're in the
neighborhood -- 2nd tuesday of each month, at the Serranos on Ben
White near Congress. 09/09 is the next one. I may be there.

| I know that the Butterfly is the big brother of the Piece O' Cake,
| and I've been thinking that I might even build one myself for my
| second plane. Evidently, the Butterfly can be flown even more
| slowly than the Piece O' Cake, and according to my information, it
| can be landed at speeds as slow as twelve miles per hour. I find
| that to be amazing. Well, I'm going to get busy now, and put my
| desk together.

My Butterfly is pretty neat. It flies *so* slowly ...

And yet with the 0.20 it takes off in very little space and climbs
very well.

--
Doug McLaren, dougmc@frenzy.com
standards, n.: The principles we use to reject other people's code.
Old Aug 21, 2003, 04:00 AM
Mark Tetrault
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Re: Tower Hobbies first order: Piece O' Cake!

dougmc@frenzy.com (Doug McLaren) wrote:

>In article <20030819012236.29741.00000184@mb-m21.aol.com>,
>MichaelMandavil <michaelmandavil@aol.com> wrote:
>
>| Doug, I'm not ready to purchase a four channel radio just yet,
>| though I expect that I probably will be by next spring
>
>I still think you're making a mistake not getting a four channel radio
>now. You don't save much money with a two channel radio (unless it's
>free, I guess) -- the cheapest ones are $43 (Futaba 2ER (two stick,
>two channel - yuck! but it's the cheapest.) from Tower Hobbies) and
>that doesn't even have rechargable batteries!
>
>At least get yourself a 3 channel like the Futaba 3FR for $70 or an
>equivilent Hitec radio. That will let you control your throttle, once
>you spend $10 on another servo. Still no rechargable batteries, though.
>


Just a quick note here I have a Futaba Attack 4 AM72 radio I could sell
cheap. Unit is on Channel 42 (72.630) and works fine.

The unit is an FPT4NBL 4 channel and the Receiver is an FPR7H 7
channel.

Comes with TX and RX crystals for channel 42 and a good TX battery.

I'll sell it for $48 shipped

Mark
 


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