Originally Posted by leccyflyer

The victim of a beheading is every bit as dead as the victim of an abortion clinic bombing - who might very well also have been beheaded in the explosion.

Good clarification!

Originally Posted by leccyflyer

Maybe you ought to ask one of the resident believers about that.

Why? It was your claim. Can you support it or not?

I posted this in another thread...and nobody replied to it.
It seem fitting to repost it here.

"Nations and cultures evolve and enlight regarding religion...they will too, in time. From what holy book, do you think the following quotes come from?

Let me give you one hint, is not the one you think.And truste me, many people have followed this book TO THE LETTER for centuries.
Lucky for us, not anymore.


1) “Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.”

2) “If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, ‘Let us go and worship other gods’ . . . do not yield to him or listen to him. Show him no pity. Do not spare him or shield him. You must certainly put him to death.”

3) “Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.”

Originally Posted by Eljimb0

Good clarification!

But not a valid comparison.

Are those acts against abortion clinics following scripture, or following a more personal view of the actions of others?

Originally Posted by MtnGoat

Having you mention gays here and then thinking what happens to them in the entire Islamic world is more than ironic....in the Christian based western world you treat as equally bad what you mention are prosecutable crimes...and in Islam, what you mention are laws and homosexuality itself is the prosecutable crime..punished by unspeakable murders.

The outcome of your critique in missing this is the kind of thing that should lead anyone to revisit their judgement.

No, it isn't ironic in the slightest. Jasmine's contention is that those major religions all have something of a reputation for violence against those who do not come up to snuff as regards their various holy texts.

The fact that homosexuals are treated terribly badly by Christianity, but treated worse by Islam, doesn't alter that, except by degree and, for the dead homosexual, that degree is somewhat academic. Homosexuals are discriminated against, and sometimes killed, by the followers of holy books, based on their warped interpretation of what is in those holy books. That isn't just in history, it continues today.

You might be able to find some religions that treat gay people better, so all wasn't the best qualifier to use, but the point remains, insofar as it addresses Islam and Christianity.

Originally Posted by wrightme

Why? It was your claim. Can you support it or not?

What exactly is it that you want someone (in this case me) to support this time? Just so that I know exactly, before endeavouring to do so and to short-cut the three-page descent down the rabbit hole during which the examples presented are not exactly what you are looking for, in every detail..

Originally Posted by leccyflyer

What exactly is it that you want someone (in this case me) to support this time? Just so that I know exactly, before endeavouring to do so and to short-cut the three-page descent down the rabbit hole during which the examples presented are not exactly what you are looking for, in every detail..

Why, your claim of course. Seeing as I specifically referenced your claim, that would be the thing I would expect you to support.


The discussion was about how the scriptures drove actions of some groups of believers. You presented the deaths of abortion clinic bombings vs beheadings. Seems you claim some sort of relevance there..... When asked if the glove fits, you deflect to some other than you, yet you were the one who made the claim.

Originally Posted by wrightme

...Are those acts against abortion clinics following scripture, or following a more personal view of the actions of others?

I prefer to observe the rationalization of these Muslim murderous acts, by some here,

......and the lack of similar rationalization of abortion clinic bombings. Despite that fact that we have a significant number of Christian hardliner members who regularly post in LTUP.

When religion is to the fore, the 'moral murders' only vary by way of the period in history.

Christianity isn't blood free - at the moment Islam is to the fore - next period (however close or far away) and it'll be some other faction claiming that their's is the one true god and they have moral right on their side!

Originally Posted by leccyflyer

The victim of a beheading is every bit as dead as the victim of an abortion clinic bombing - who might very well also have been beheaded in the explosion.

And every bit as dead as those unborn babies who suffer enormous trauma in their demise.

And every bit as dead as those innocents caught up in the crossfire in some far off land!!

Originally Posted by ENGINETORQUE

When religion is to the fore, the 'moral murders' only vary by way of the period in history.

Christianity isn't blood free - at the moment Islam is to the fore - next period (however close or far away) and it'll be some other faction claiming that their's is the one true god and they have moral right on their side!

And should Christianity move to the fore, you will see me speaking against such acts.

Originally Posted by wrightme

And should Christianity move to the fore, you will see me speaking against such acts.

Yep - well that's a given I should hope!

Originally Posted by LcJ

And every bit as dead as those unborn babies who suffer enormous trauma in their demise.

QED - will that do wrightme, or do you want to see some actual scripture, referenced by the supporters of those abortion clinic bombers as justification for their terrorism?

Originally Posted by wrightme

Why, your claim of course. Seeing as I specifically referenced your claim, that would be the thing I would expect you to support.


The discussion was about how the scriptures drove actions of some groups of believers. You presented the deaths of abortion clinic bombings vs beheadings. Seems you claim some sort of relevance there..... When asked if the glove fits, you deflect to some other than you, yet you were the one who made the claim.

Nope, I've deflected nothing, I'm just trying to save some time, typing, pixels and bandwidth and avoid the three-page-definition-dance.