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Old Mar 29, 2011, 07:21 AM
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What's the type of this airplane

Hi all,

I purchased some orignal K.u.K World War One photos. I've identified almost all except this one. The comment on the rear side is this: Albatros 1914. The fin of the plane is the same as the Albatros DD (B.I). The wings are very similar to the Albatros B.I(Ph) (modified German B.II).

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Old Mar 29, 2011, 02:49 PM
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Interesting. The shape of the fuse and control wires has a lot in common with the BE2. If you hadn't said Albatros, I would have guessed it was an early BE2 prototype.

Maybe the Brits took some inspiration from whatever this is.
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Old Mar 29, 2011, 03:45 PM
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I'm sure about that this is an Austro-Hungarian plane. I think the photo was taken in the Wiener Neustadt airfield in 1914. I have two other photos (with an Albatros DD) and the fence is the same. So maybe this is a photo series.

The fin is typical early german airplane fin: Albatros B, Aviatik B. You are right the shape of the cockpit is similar to Be2.
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Old Mar 29, 2011, 05:58 PM
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Aviatik B Type? The tail surface shapes and those brace struts look right for it to be a very close relative of the B1.

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Old Mar 29, 2011, 06:05 PM
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I couldn't find any plane with the unique outboard interplane struts, angling up to the top wing. I'm stumped!
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Old Mar 29, 2011, 06:10 PM
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I compared it against the photos and drawings in the Aviatik B types Datafile. Most have those great fuselage side radiators, but not all. All do have those diagonal struts though.

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Old Mar 29, 2011, 08:39 PM
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You might find some information here. http://www.wwi-models.org/index.html
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Old Mar 29, 2011, 11:25 PM
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Looks like a variation of the Albatros B1
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Old Mar 30, 2011, 06:28 AM
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The more I look at this one, the more puzzled I become. There are points that look totally Aviatik, but others that just don't look German/Austo Hungarian at all. The tip struts are all Aviatik BI, as are the tail shapes and overall appearance. The thing that doesn't fit, and isn't a particularly Germanic feature are the upright c/s struts. Most B and C types featured an inverted V trestle strut arrangement.
The deckings have a distinctly Aviatik/Berg look about them
The peculiarities, plus the absence of markings might indicate that it's a pre-war machine, or possibly a factory prototype.
It would make a nice. simple model though.

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Old Mar 30, 2011, 06:32 AM
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I like it, I could see myself building something like that on down the road once my current projects are done.
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Old Mar 30, 2011, 06:45 AM
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Pete,

yes, maybe you are right but on the vertical stabilizer I see the decal of the Albatros Flugzeugwerk (near the rudder).

I can agree with you about that this is a prewar plane. Maybe a prototype. The front of the UC connect to the fuselage side. The K.u.K used both German designed Albatros B versions. The German B.I was almost the same but on the B.II (B.I(Ph)) was made a lot of changes. Modified wings, rudder, etc. Maybe this was the test plane of the newly designed wings.

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Old Mar 30, 2011, 07:25 AM
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Is the engine an Argus? Certainly the exhaust stubs have a rather Germanic look about them.

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Old Apr 22, 2011, 12:31 PM
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Hi all,

Finally I've identifyed this airplane (the seller was helped me, and I found some information). This is a prototype, designed by Ernst Heinkel in late 1913. Only one specimen was built. The photo was taken in Wiener Neustadt. The name of this kind of wing configuration was "Knoller wing". The later built Phönix Albatros B.I serials from 21.51-66 looked like this protoype.

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