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Old Jan 18, 2012, 10:24 PM
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Joby price increase

I just happened to check the Joby site today, and wow, have the prices ever shot up .. good to see you have an EIG source secured .. the ultralight e-drive market is ready, good luck
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Old Jan 18, 2012, 11:16 PM
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Have you examined http://www.kickstarter.com for fund raising?
Thanks, but it looks like their average pledge is only $70 and the most common is $25.

For these pledges, the donor expects a reward of equal value to them. I can't think of may rewards of this value that would be possible with a $25,000 product.

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Old Jan 19, 2012, 07:40 AM
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Interesting - so, this new E-lazair - is the airframe identical to the old model or will you put in some changes (I guess there must be stuff you'd want to do differently after 30 years).
Good luck with the project, IMHO the most accessible e-plane around, I reckon you have a good chance of kickstarting a whole new GA class.
Does this mean that the aviation authority has agreed with your battery volume is equivalent to fuel volume classification ideas?
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Old Jan 19, 2012, 02:11 PM
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Wow! I am very interested in your eLazair, but sure would like some more information:
When do you think the first eLazair will be ready for shipment?
Will there be international shipping?
Are sale taxes included in the price you have suggested?
Can I fly the plane before I buy it?
Will there be any place in the US or Canada where I can assemble the plane under competent supervision and also get training in flying the plane?
Will floats be included or how much extra will they cost me?
Do you give some kind of guarantee?
Which are the differences from an old Lazair except for the electrification?

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Old Jan 19, 2012, 08:03 PM
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I have done enough costing analysis to determine that the target price of a complete eLazair kit (less batteries) will be about $20,000 and a fully assembled eLazair will be about $25,000 plus batteries.

Battery pricing will be $5-6,000 for packs with about 1 hour of flight endurance and with at least 1,000 flight hours of cycle life.
What controllers, Dale?

Will you be offering battery packs and BMS/motor/controller for sale for non-Lazair applications?
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Well, after another trip across the country and back in my RV8 to visit JOBY and others in the San Francisco area, I have convinced myself that I will have a continuing supply of EIG cells and motors at a reasonable cost.

Now on to the next order of business and that is to finance the startup of this new venture.

I have done enough costing analysis to determine that the target price of a complete eLazair kit (less batteries) will be about $20,000 and a fully assembled eLazair will be about $25,000 plus batteries.

Battery pricing will be $5-6,000 for packs with about 1 hour of flight endurance and with at least 1,000 flight hours of cycle life.

So, if you want to own a new eLazair with a coveted low serial number (serial #E0001 and up are now available), you can send a deposit of $5,000 to be held in escrow until your eLazair ships.

And/0r, if you would be interested in investing money in this new venture we can talk about that too.

Either way, just Private Message me or contact me at kci at vaxxine dot com.

Dale Kramer
Happy to hear you decided to produce your eLazair,

Will you have any dealer in Europe ?

Tchuss

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Old Jan 20, 2012, 10:36 PM
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Add me to the list of seriously interested in Europe.I have searched the net for months trying to get real objective updates on just this and the Lazair was my first choice for the plane. I have some experience of RC electric -the lipo's are fabulous for models, but we all know they are not nearly 100% consistent (yet)or durable. The Chinese factories are bad at quality control and they are not responsive or flexible.
We are waiting for this breakthrough ,reliability, to climb in!
I have built a number of twin engine planes for FPV and found consistently that they out-perform single engines. For instance; I launch my twin fpv planes while seated and they climb away without any sag.All of the singles need a running launch ,and still sag some ,with motors of more than double the weight. Also redundancy is essential in real flight and flying on one motor of a twin is not too difficult
.Big props are problematic, and affect the view. Bigger props are RELATIVELY quieter. Pusher props are always noisy.
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Old Jan 21, 2012, 05:36 PM
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Does this mean that the aviation authority has agreed with your battery volume is equivalent to fuel volume classification ideas?
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At Oshkosh they said that batteries are considered fuel so I guess they have.

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Old Jan 21, 2012, 05:45 PM
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When do you think the first eLazair will be ready for shipment?
Later this year.

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Will there be international shipping?
Yes, but not for fully assembled aircraft unless you bought a trailer too and did a roll on roll off shipment.

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Are sale taxes included in the price you have suggested?
There is no sales tax when exported.

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Can I fly the plane before I buy it?
No, sorry this is too risky.

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Will there be any place in the US or Canada where I can assemble the plane under competent supervision and also get training in flying the plane.
This will be available but not this year.

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Will floats be included or how much extra will they cost me?
Not included and they will not be available until at least next year. There are people who sell floats that may be able to help.

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Do you give some kind of guarantee?
Only for missing or faulty part replacement.

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Which are the differences from an old Lazair except for the electrification?
We plan to start with a Series II fuselage and make it into tricycle landing gear

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Old Jan 21, 2012, 05:50 PM
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What controllers, Dale?

Will you be offering battery packs and BMS/motor/controller for sale for non-Lazair applications?
We may have a reason to go to 18s voltage so we are going to test a fightercatracing controller and yes the power sytems will be available for sale.

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Happy to hear you decided to produce your eLazair,

Will you have any dealer in Europe ?

Tchuss

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We do not plan to have dealers but we would like to have people around the world who we can refer our customers to for kit assembly.

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Old Jan 22, 2012, 04:56 PM
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We plan to start with a Series II fuselage and make it into tricycle landing gear

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Does that mean going back to the overhead stick? Will you be selling parts like wings for the existing lazair crowd?
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Old Jan 23, 2012, 02:06 AM
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The journey has begun!



I have officially started work on my very own electric Lazair! After learning about Dales plane I was smitten. There was no doubt in my mind that this was the perfect progression following a lifetime of passion for aviation and R/C "stuff". Building all those balsa and mylar planes as a kid might just pay off I plan on following in Dales footsteps and not straying too far from the path he has paved. I have updated my RCGroups blog and plan on documenting the build as we proceed.

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showt...0#post20509323

I have been in close communication with Dale for a while about this, and I am absolutely convinced that there is not a more capable individual on the planet to lead the electric airplane revolution! Heady times, indeed! There are a LOT of interesting details to this project and I will elaborate as I am able.
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Old Jan 23, 2012, 12:30 PM
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Well, after another trip across the country and back in my RV8 to visit JOBY and others in the San Francisco area, I have convinced myself that I will have a continuing supply of EIG cells and motors at a reasonable cost.
Dale,
Great news on your plans to produce the e-Lazair. Regarding the "continuing supply of EIG cells", is there a US distributor and can the bare cells be had at reasonable cost to the general public (unlike A123 debacle)? These would be great as well for powering e-bikes. If I am not mistaken I think the new Zero line of electric motorcycles are outfitted with EIG cells.
Good luck.
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Old Jan 26, 2012, 10:09 PM
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Does that mean going back to the overhead stick? Will you be selling parts like wings for the existing lazair crowd?
Sorry for delay, very busy.

The linkage will be overhead but I have a couple ideas that we played with 30 years ago to make it 'feel' right.

Yes we will be selling parts but not necessarily exact replacements.

Dale
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