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Old Mar 29, 2011, 02:10 AM
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Sorry for the quality of the pics, dont have my camera with me but the Black berry will do for now.
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Old Mar 29, 2011, 02:22 AM
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Great photos.
Now I can see the pocket where the ESC should be
and the front, rear ducting.
Thanks for your kindness.

absolutely this jet needs to be glassed.
And I like it. After glassing it is light but very strong, solid .


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Old Mar 29, 2011, 02:42 AM
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Very nice jet, but I think a lot more work than what I thought. There is no plans but the build should not be too complecated. I will be going with a grey scheme and try my retracts that I have. I have the 6 blade 70mm fan from HK and the 2839 2800KV hk outrunner with 55A turnigy trust esc. Hope this setup will do for this model. I estimate that the AUW will be about 850-900g.
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Old Mar 29, 2011, 03:12 AM
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thanks for sharing but the main different between
high and low timing is HEAT, my two cents

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my other two cents.. not just HEAT I know about this factor. but because all my testing I hold the fans in my hand I was able to feel the difference.. it's too obvious to ignore
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Old Mar 29, 2011, 03:22 AM
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Pavcon,

Is the difference big enough to risk?
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my other two cents.. not just HEAT
I know about this factor. but because all my testing I hold the fans
in my hand I was able to feel the difference.. it's too obvious to ignore
Some reliable esc makers like Castle creations recommended
low timing for good efficiency. Yes, with high timing you
gain some power but more heat LOL.
even donrc, the motor maker, recommended the same thing.

should I not trust those experts?

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Very nice jet, but I think a lot more work than what I thought. There is no plans but the build should not be too complecated. I will be going with a grey scheme and try my retracts that I have. I have the 6 blade 70mm fan from HK and the 2839 2800KV hk outrunner with 55A turnigy trust esc. Hope this setup will do for this model. I estimate that the AUW will be about 850-900g.
I like this rafale but I already have two other jets in the queue.
An F-5E and a 70mm Mig-15 with e-retracts.

If I build this rafale I would build it light for performance,
no moving canards and no Landing gears. Hand launch or taking
off from grass.


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Old Mar 29, 2011, 06:06 AM
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Very nice jet, but I think a lot more work than what I thought. There is no plans but the build should not be too complecated. I will be going with a grey scheme and try my retracts that I have. I have the 6 blade 70mm fan from HK and the 2839 2800KV hk outrunner with 55A turnigy trust esc. Hope this setup will do for this model. I estimate that the AUW will be about 850-900g.
Graham,

I also want it to be in grey scheme. What paint and what color code are you planning to use? Tamiya color AS-10 ocean grey for upper fuselage and wings and AS-28 medium grey for the bottom part.

I am not sure that French navy Rafale planes are just in one grey color or they are with two different grey tone?

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Old Mar 29, 2011, 06:37 AM
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Ozgur,

I do not have too many options as our foam friendly paint is limited in terms of availability. I cannot give you any codes, but it is a lightish grey and I will be looking for a darker grey for the camouflage. Will take a few pics when I am finished. I have decided to scrap the landing gear and will ge going as lite as possible.

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Old Mar 29, 2011, 07:28 AM
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Functional canards

Is any of you knows steering arm which has 3mm shaft size?

The ones that I found all has 4mm (5/32). I want to use 3mm carbon or music wire push rods for the canards.

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Hi ozgur. I've been following this thread closely because this jet is really attracting me to buy it too.

Anthony
Dear anthodenn,

How you fixed the bended piano wire into the hollow carbon tube? Did you epoxy glue it? It seems from the photos that you were applying the movement torque to the carbon tube, correct?

Probably you used 4mm outer diameter of carbon tube, if so what was your inner diameter and the dia of piano wire??

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Hi ozgur.
Use plastic, bronze or alu tube, insert the piano wire and use wheel collar with 3mm bolt and on the bolt you can screw and "ear" on which the clevis will be inserted. You are gong to imitate the traditional aileron setup with this approach.
http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...idProduct=8401
Or use servo horn, insert a wheel collar and ... see post
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showt...1#post17101305
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Pavcon,

Is the difference big enough to risk?
there is no risk with the new DPS. RC Lnader is actually rating this new EDF unit "up to 1000watts"

also after 2-3 seconds of continues power at WOT you feel the whole ducts(metal shroud) to cool down.
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Some reliable esc makers like Castle creations recommended
low timing for good efficiency. Yes, with high timing you
gain some power but more heat LOL.
even donrc, the motor maker, recommended the same thing.

should I not trust those experts?

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also answered that at my last.. RC landers coolling ROCK

btw that can be confirmed by TimWan ??? maybe the designer of the EDF unit can also be trusted ???
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Graham D, do your fuse halves not sit together snuggly? Mine required a decent amount of sanding for them to sit flat against one another.
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