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Old Mar 10, 2011, 03:33 PM
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Clinton warns against unilateral US move on Libya

The Arab world is going up in flames, and our can't make a Strategic Decision, ever, worthless piece of crap marxist president fails to make any commitment or do a darned thing. One of the greatest opportunities to aid freedom at little cost is occurring in Libya right now...and Hillary says we're 'waiting for the World to act'.

This empty suit sits in power for a couple weeks of amazing change in the mideast and he can't figure out what to do or how to take advantage of it. Freakin' saddest sorriest excuse for a chief executive this nation has ever seen, bar none. Thanks, leg tinglers, good work!

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WASHINGTON, March 10 (Reuters) - Secretary of State Hillary Clinton underscored on Thursday the need for international consensus on the next steps on Libya, saying any unilateral U.S. move could have unforeseeable consequences.

Clinton also expressed deep doubts about proposals to set up a "no-fly" zone over Libya, saying previous no-fly zones set up over Iraq and Serbia had had little effect.

Clinton told the House of Representatives appropriations committee that the Obama administration believed it was imperative that other countries agree on the way forward.

"We are working to create an international consensus because we think that is absolutely critical to anything that anybody, especially us, does," Clinton said, saying there was considerable ambivalence over what should be done.
Morality does not depend on 'consensus', you stupid cow

Freakin' France, of the cheese eating surrender monkey variety, is showing more gonad than the pair hillary swings and O lacks.

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In a major diplomatic victory for the Libyan opposition, France has become the first country to formally recognise Libya’s rebel leadership, pledging to exchange ambassadors between Paris and the Libyan opposition stronghold of Benghazi. By Shirli SITBON (video)
FRANCE 24 (text)
France became the first country to formally recognize the Libyan opposition – the Interim Transitional National Council – as legitimate representatives of the Libyan people on Thursday, pledging to exchange ambassadors with the country’s newly created transitional council in a major diplomatic victory for the Libyan opposition.

The announcement followed a meeting between French President Nicolas Sarkozy and two representatives of Libya’s Interim Transitional National Council in Paris Thursday

Speaking to reporters at the Elysée presidential palace in Paris, Ali al Issawi, a former Libyan ambassador to India who quit his post last month, announced that, “France recognises the National Council as the legitimate representative of the Libyan people.

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No-fly zones: The devil lies in the details

"There will be an exchange of ambassadors between Paris and Benghazi," he added, referring to the eastern Libyan city that has emerged as a rebel stronghold over the past few weeks.

The recognition comes as European Union foreign ministers meet in Brussels Thursday and defense ministers of NATO’s 28 member states also gathered in the Belgian capital to consider the imposition of a no-fly zone over Libya.

Ahead of the Brussels meeting, AFP reported that Sarkozy would propose “targeted airstrikes” in Libya as a way to end the violence. .
France formally recognises Libyan rebels' authority

With even the slightest air cover the rebels can end the reign of one of the tyrants of the mideast...and yet O and Hill sit paralyzed with indecision.
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Old Mar 10, 2011, 03:36 PM
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Sounds like an entirely sensible approach by your Secretary of State.
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Old Mar 10, 2011, 03:41 PM
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Entirely garbage is what it is. That is not leadership.
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Old Mar 10, 2011, 03:41 PM
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Sounds like an entirely sensible approach by your Secretary of State.
I agree.
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Old Mar 10, 2011, 03:42 PM
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Based on your rant, why didn't we do that in Afghanistan when we were supporting the mujahideen under Reagan, or help the Kurds in northern Iraq under Bush senior?
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Old Mar 10, 2011, 03:48 PM
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Why didn't we do what?
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Old Mar 10, 2011, 04:22 PM
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I have mixed emotions on this. Anything we do would cause the rest of the world to cry about it being over oil like with Iraq. I mean.........all that free oil we got from that As much as I'd like to see Obammie grow a set and do something, I see anything we do blowing up in our faces as I doubt his current team would follow through as needed.
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Old Mar 10, 2011, 04:25 PM
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Entirely garbage is what it is. That is not leadership.
Leadership is exactly what it is

Butt out - NOTHING (whatsoever...) to do with the USA

And anyway - idiot Bush used up all your credibility on getting involved in anything more meaningful than clearing litter in the region!

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Old Mar 10, 2011, 04:26 PM
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Goat, are you rooting for Ghadafi, or can't you see that direct American intervention in favour of the rebels would make his dreams come true. A pan-Arab force would seem a more viable proposition. Unfortunately the pandemic of popular uprisings might make it difficult to persuede monarchs, sheikhs etc. to release forces for an international force.
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Old Mar 10, 2011, 04:37 PM
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Sounds like an entirely sensible approach by your Secretary of State.


Well, I'm in favor of letting France do the "no fly thingy" and aid the rebels. Maybe your country can help them. The U.K.could install their socialist values on them... Just think, your country could start doing colonies again.

If memory serves me, the last time France tried anything, they got their butts kicked and left us with the vietnam war.
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Old Mar 10, 2011, 04:44 PM
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Well, I'm in favor of letting France do the "no fly thingy" and aid the rebels. Maybe your country can help them. The U.K.could install their socialist values on them... Just think, your country could start doing colonies again.

If memory serves me, the last time France tried anything, they got their butts kicked and left us with the vietnam war.
Was that before or after the Brits invaded Ireand?
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Old Mar 10, 2011, 04:57 PM
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Well, I'm in favor of letting France do the "no fly thingy" and aid the rebels. Maybe your country can help them. The U.K.could install their socialist values on them... Just think, your country could start doing colonies again.

If memory serves me, the last time France tried anything, they got their butts kicked and left us with the vietnam war.
And who did YOU leave the Vietnam war with................................
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Why didn't we do what?
Why didn't we provide air cover for the mujahideen or the Kurds, both freedom fighters for what they believed in and supported by conservative administrations. Something you are suggesting in your OP.
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Old Mar 10, 2011, 05:17 PM
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Well, I'm in favor of letting France do the "no fly thingy" and aid the rebels. Maybe your country can help them. The U.K.could install their socialist values on them... Just think, your country could start doing colonies again.

If memory serves me, the last time France tried anything, they got their butts kicked and left us with the vietnam war.
And if there was any sanity in our government, we would never try to revisit such a scenario, but it seems we have. The good news is that we seem to be withdrawing from the very costly strategy of "occupation" to achieve our goals.
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Old Mar 10, 2011, 05:20 PM
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And if there was any sanity in our government, we would never try to revisit such a scenario, but it seems we have. The good news is that we seem to be withdrawing from a very costly strategy of "occupation" to achieve our goals.
If guns are not shooting, and bombs are not falling and collateral is not being damaged, then clearly the President is not leading. Anything less that total war is soooo girlie-leftist.
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