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Old May 05, 2011, 06:15 AM
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Hi Clemens,

actually, some sleek models do reach the theroretical (geometrical) pitch speeds, because all those drive calculators never consider that the prop blades are profiled.

You are assuming that the top speed was reached with an 9x6", when the recommended folder is actually 8x7".

I would assume, that the voltage under load at top speed is closer to 11.5V than 10.5V.

11.5V x 1350U/V x 1/60 x 0.1778m (=7") = 46m/s = 165.6kph = 103mph

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Hi Jürgen, I agree that the 8x7 folder would be much better (in the SEFF videos there I see APC props though - could be the 8x8 and then it would make sense), in my last post I also commented that the prop airfoil might allow a plane to reach the theoretical pitch speed, and I also agree that good high C batteries might even provide 11,5 V under considerable load when they are full - but just like tdriedger before you also calculate pitch speed as if the motor experiences no load (idle speed at 11,5V) - see my last post.
I do not doubt that the recommended motor at 600W+ would get the Dogfighter up to around 100mph level with the right prop.
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Old May 05, 2011, 06:52 AM
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you also calculate pitch speed as if the motor experiences no load (idle speed at 11,5V) - see my last post.
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Hi Clemens,

I know that this is very simplified, but I am pretty sure that the motor will get to such speeds and hold them in a horizontal line - at least for a while.

I am sure MPX checked their speed claims with telemetry.

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This is a theoretical (no-load) approach, you should consider a rpm drop under load (factor ~0.8 to be safe) => 82mph


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Hi Clemens,

actually, some sleek models do reach the theroretical (geometrical) pitch speeds, because all those drive calculators never consider that the prop blades are profiled.

You are assuming that the top speed was reached with an 9x6", when the recommended folder is actually 8x7".

I would assume, that the voltage under load at top speed is closer to 11.5V than 10.5V.

11.5V x 1350U/V x 1/60 x 0.1778m (=7") = 46m/s = 165.6kph = 103mph

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We flew it with the 1350 KV Motor on the 10x7 Prop at SEFF. According to the GPS we got a ground Speed of 103 MPH with no wind. The battery was a TP 65C 2700Mah 3S.

There is a pretty good chance the 1350 KV motor and 10x7 prop end up being the final specs for the U.S. Power package.

On the windiest of days we recorded a Ground Speed of 133Mph and yes it was blowing at about 30mph.

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We flew it with the 1350 KV Motor on the 10x7 Prop at SEFF. According to the GPS we got a ground Speed of 103 MPH with no wind. The battery was a TP 65C 2700Mah 3S.

There is a pretty good chance the 1350 KV motor and 10x7 prop end up being the final specs for the U.S. Power package.

On the windiest of days we recorded a Ground Speed of 133Mph and yes it was blowing at about 30mph.

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At least now we have some numbers that make some sense...

11.5v x 1350kv = 15525rpm @ 7in pitch = 102.9 mph pitch speed

I'll let someone else comment on airframe drag, motor efficiency, and prop unloading.
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At least now we have some numbers that make some sense...

11.5v x 1350kv = 15525rpm @ 7in pitch = 102.9 mph pitch speed
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Actually, I had already posted those figures here:

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showp...4&postcount=90

And the chances are much higher to reach those rpm figures with an 8x7" rather than a 10x7" prop.

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Can't wait for the dogfighter!



here are some quick imperial conversions:

25.4mm = 1"
12" = 1'(foot)
5280' = 1 mi

Think that is retarded? At least we don't use Rods, Furlongs, Fathoms, Chains and Links anymore!
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What the Dogfighter will look like in the air

- similar to the Midget Mustang I would think

Thanks to J Barnes for the great video of the Midget Mustang. The Dogfighter videos lack this feel of speed but with the right setup the experience should be similar

PlaneAdrenalinRC's Mini-Midget Mustang (5 min 56 sec)


If I wanted to sell a plane I'd get some good videos done - but that's just me, I am no marketing buff, probably they know better at Multiplex

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So is this thing coming to the USA this year, or.........?


Do we know the price yet?
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Sounds about right...kit only, of course.
If it wasn't MPX we would tell them to pound sand.

Any dates yet?
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Dogfighter in Action ...

video from last weekend:

FMC Dietzenbach 2011 - Multiplex DogFighter (3 min 50 sec)


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thats more like it . good video !

looking forward to getting mine now (the waiting is the worst part huh)

- looks like it also has good slow speed manners as well ..
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It does look good, whatever the top speed is exactly. Sounds OK too. What did that one have for power?
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It does look good, whatever the top speed is exactly. Sounds OK too. What did that one have for power?
MPX Dogfighter Ultra Li-Batt Set.

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