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Old Jan 31, 2011, 10:50 PM
GordySoar@aol.com
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Fwd: Class A,B @ C

Thanks Dave!
Unless we know our past, we are doomed to repeat it...good or bad :-).
I forwarded this to our club members.

And I want to say thanks to all the guys who did the work for us all to
enjoy today, guys like Dave Corven.
Now if we could only put 2m to rest like Standard class :-)
Gordy



____________________________________
From: mrmaserati@live.com
To: gordysoar@aol.com
Sent: 1/31/2011 9:15:47 P.M. Central Standard Time
Subj: Class A,B @ C


Gordy, in late 1972 or early 1973 I wrote a rules proposal to create the
classes A, B & C as follows:

Class A - two function, rudder/elevator Standard class with a 100 in
wingspan. A good example was the Airtronics Olympic 99.

Class B - three function, rudder, elevator & spoiler Standard class, again
with a 100 inch wingspan. I believe a Tom Williams Windrifter would have
fit this segment nicely.

Class C - three function, rudder, elevator & spoiler Unlimited class, with
a span that could be anything above 100 in. A great example was the Astro
Jeff by Jerry Mrlik.

These rules were approved and were used for a few years until, I believe,
2 meter became popular and of course then another change took place.

The exact timing of these rule changes probably could be identified by
researching the yearly produced AMA rule books.

Regards, David K. Corven.
248-515-2153, cell.
810-798-3087, home.
_mrmaserati@live.com_ (mailto:mrmaserati@live.com)




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Old Feb 01, 2011, 12:48 AM
Chuck Anderson
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Re: Fwd: Class A,B @ C

I attended the November, 1974 Thanksgiving weekend meeting in Silver
Springs Maryland to set up the first official rules for Soaring as
District V representative of the AMA Soaring Advisory Committee. This
is an edited version of my report on that meeting that I sent to Jim
McNeil, AMA District V vice president.

About the only thing arousing much controversy was the definition of
Standard class. Standard class was originally defined as having a
100-inch span with no other restrictions by the short lived National
Radio Control Soaring Society (NRCSS) in 1970. This definition was
picked up by the LSF and carried over to the SOAR Nats in 1972. In
1973, the ECSS decided that they wanted a low cost class for beginner
and restricted standard class to rudder and elevator only. Nobody
noticed that there were no two channel radios available at that time
so every radio used for their standard class models had at least three
channels. After much haggling, the Soaring Advisory Committee decided
to support the LSF definition of Standard class since that was what
was used in most of the country.

A rules change proposal to split Standard Class into two groups with
one being restricted to rudder and elevator only was submitted to the
Radio Control Contest Board by some members of the old ECSS. The RCCB
went against the Soaring Advisory Committee recommendation and
accepted the proposal to split standard class. Ironically, the new
class was defined as Standard Class while the original standard class
became Modified Standard Class.

Chuck Anderson

On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 10:50 PM, <GordySoar@aol.com> wrote:

> Thanks Dave!
> Unless we know our past, we are doomed to repeat it...good or bad :-).
> I forwarded this to our club members.
>
> And I want to say thanks to all the guys who did the work for us all to
> enjoy today, guys like Dave Corven.
> Now if we could only put 2m to rest like Standard class :-)
> Gordy
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: mrmaserati@live.com
> To: gordysoar@aol.com
> Sent: 1/31/2011 9:15:47 P.M. Central Standard Time
> Subj: Class A,B @ C
>
> Gordy, in late 1972 or early 1973 I wrote a rules proposal to create the
> classes A, B & C as follows:
>
> Class A - two function, rudder/elevator Standard class with a 100 in
> wingspan. A good example was the Airtronics Olympic 99.
>
> Class B - three function, rudder, elevator & spoiler Standard class, again
> with a 100 inch wingspan. I believe a Tom Williams Windrifter would have fit
> this segment nicely.
>
> Class C - three function, rudder, elevator & spoiler Unlimited class, with a
> span that could be anything above 100 in. A great example was the Astro Jeff
> by Jerry Mrlik.
>
> These rules were approved and were used for a few years until, I believe, 2
> meter became popular and of course then another change took place.
>
> The exact timing of these rule changes probably could be identified by
> researching the yearly produced AMA rule books.
>
> Regards, David K. Corven.
>               248-515-2153, cell.
>               810-798-3087, home.
>               mrmaserati@live.com
>
>
>
>
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Old Feb 01, 2011, 12:58 AM
Pablo\Chico\ Romero
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South West Classic 2011

Hi Everyone
Just wanted to go ahead and send a reminder that the SWC 2011 registration will
be closing soon Feb 7. So go to www.casl.net to sign up for the fun and exciting
time at the SWC 2011. Hope to see everyone their.
Chico




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Old Feb 01, 2011, 08:48 AM
Jim Deck
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Thanks to our soaring historians

A big thanks to Gordy and Chuck for bringing some of R/C soaring's history to light. As I recall there was even a minor hassle regarding releasable tow hooks in those days. Most pilots just used the elevator servo to cause the hook to release. A protest went up as it was claimed this was an additional function. Interesting times indeed.

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Old Feb 01, 2011, 10:41 AM
Jim Thomas
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Re: Fwd: Class A,B @ C

Gordy,
Perhaps as a new LSF level 5 you should embrace the history of soaring
instead of try to tailor it to your own peculiar set of likes/
dislikes. Perhaps you should also use your newfound expertise to
embrace 2M instead of promoting its demise. Who knows, even a pro
like you could benefit from mastering the little planes. Or perhaps
you have learned all there is to learn and are not capable of
learning anything more. I will always oppose the loss of a
competition class (opportunity to learn/master a skill set). You?

JT

On Jan 31, 8:50 pm, GordyS...@aol.com wrote:

> Thanks Dave!
> Unless we know our past, we are doomed to repeat it...good or bad  :-).
> I forwarded this to our club members.
>
> And I want to say thanks to all the guys who did the work for us all to  
> enjoy today, guys like Dave Corven.
> Now if we could only put 2m to rest like Standard class :-)
> Gordy
>
> ____________________________________
>  From: mrmaser...@live.com
> To: gordys...@aol.com
> Sent: 1/31/2011 9:15:47  P.M. Central Standard Time
> Subj: Class A,B @ C
>
> Gordy, in late 1972 or early 1973 I wrote a rules  proposal to create the
> classes A, B & C as  follows:
>
> Class A - two function,  rudder/elevator Standard class with a 100 in
> wingspan. A  good example was the Airtronics Olympic 99.
>
> Class B - three  function, rudder, elevator & spoiler Standard class, again
> with a 100 inch  wingspan. I believe a Tom Williams Windrifter would have
> fit this segment  nicely.
>
> Class C - three function, rudder, elevator & spoiler  Unlimited class, with
> a span that could be anything above 100 in. A great  example was the Astro
> Jeff by Jerry Mrlik.
>
> These rules were  approved and were used for a few years until, I believe,
> 2 meter  became popular and of course then another change took  place.
>
> The exact timing of these rule changes probably  could be identified by
> researching the yearly produced AMA rule  books.
>
> Regards, David K.  Corven.
> 248-515-2153, cell.
> 810-798-3087, home.
> _mrmaser...@live.com_ (mailto:mrmaser...@live.com)
>
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Old Feb 01, 2011, 10:58 AM
GordySoar@aol.com
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Re: Re: Fwd: Class A,B @ C

In the good ole days where things were simpler and there was time a plenty,
lots of classes were possible and fun. But when there is a limited amount
of time to steal from family, job, dog, horse and kids...that time per
minute flying became more expensive.

2 M is probably a fun thing to do, like flying foamie park flyers or
electric toy heli's. The fact is things have changed, many of us can't afford
the time or in many cases even one model.

Clearly unlimited is more interesting or we'd be talking about its fading.
The last thing I want to promote and the last thing you should want to
promote is 2m, or anything that might lose another unlimited contest pilot to
2m. I've got a few contest wins in 2m on my wall. But I can assure you
while I was flying them, I was thinking I can't wait for the unlimited
rounds to start:-).

The harsh reality for many of is its either or, not which one today. I
think a poll would show that most guys who own a 2m have it because of the few
contests where its 2m and unlimited and they see it as a chance to get
more stick time for the weekend...but if they aren't at a contest, they seldom
take them down from the rafters.

As part of my LSF5 quest, I made sure that I earned wins at the events of
opportunity... 2m, Woody, RES and unlimited. I didn't have the arm or
skills for HLG or the money for DLG, or the support/opportunity or interest for
XC. (although I'll probably keep my Vyger forever).

Clearly you are all into 2m. But as we all have heard "Friends don't let
friends fly 2m" :-)
Gordy




In a message dated 2/1/2011 10:41:31 A.M. Central Standard Time,
jamesathomas@att.net writes:

Gordy,
Perhaps as a new LSF level 5 you should embrace the history of soaring
instead of try to tailor it to your own peculiar set of likes/
dislikes. Perhaps you should also use your newfound expertise to
embrace 2M instead of promoting its demise. Who knows, even a pro
like you could benefit from mastering the little planes. Or perhaps
you have learned all there is to learn and are not capable of
learning anything more. I will always oppose the loss of a
competition class (opportunity to learn/master a skill set). You?

JT

On Jan 31, 8:50 pm, GordyS...@aol.com wrote:

> Thanks Dave!
> Unless we know our past, we are doomed to repeat it...good or bad :-).
> I forwarded this to our club members.
>
> And I want to say thanks to all the guys who did the work for us all to
> enjoy today, guys like Dave Corven.
> Now if we could only put 2m to rest like Standard class :-)
> Gordy
>
> ____________________________________
> From: mrmaser...@live.com
> To: gordys...@aol.com
> Sent: 1/31/2011 9:15:47 P.M. Central Standard Time
> Subj: Class A,B @ C
>
> Gordy, in late 1972 or early 1973 I wrote a rules proposal to create the
> classes A, B & C as follows:
>
> Class A - two function, rudder/elevator Standard class with a 100 in
> wingspan. A good example was the Airtronics Olympic 99.
>
> Class B - three function, rudder, elevator & spoiler Standard class,

again

> with a 100 inch wingspan. I believe a Tom Williams Windrifter would have
> fit this segment nicely.
>
> Class C - three function, rudder, elevator & spoiler Unlimited class,

with

> a span that could be anything above 100 in. A great example was the

Astro

> Jeff by Jerry Mrlik.
>
> These rules were approved and were used for a few years until, I

believe,

> 2 meter became popular and of course then another change took place.
>
> The exact timing of these rule changes probably could be identified by
> researching the yearly produced AMA rule books.
>
> Regards, David K. Corven.
> 248-515-2153, cell.
> 810-798-3087, home.
> _mrmaser...@live.com_ (mailto:mrmaser...@live.com)
>
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Old Feb 02, 2011, 12:54 AM
Pablo\Chico\ Romero
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Re: Fwd: Class A,B @ C

HI Everyone
Well please take your time in checking the pilot list that Scott has posted here
and let me know if you find an error and also please check your club of
affiliation please. Remember to be eligible in the team trophy you need to be
current with your club and sign up with that club in the list so make sure this
two items are OK. Please also let me know if you are going to be wet camping
because tomorrow I am talking with the farm to see what spot have not been
taking by snowbirds and then i will be giving the spots as they came in. I will
be emailing the individual with the spot number and on Friday need to pay at
registration time please. Also the dry camp will need to be paid at registration
time on Friday even if you are going to be their from Tuesday, Wednesday or
Thursday since we have set up this payment with the farm. If you have any
question please email me or call me at 602-301-9578. Well if you haven't sign up
yet you still on time for the great event in the south west.
Take care
Chico



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Old Feb 02, 2011, 08:40 AM
GordySoar
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Southwest Classic update from Chico

Begin forwarded message:


> From: "Pablo\"Chico\" Romero" <thunderbirds84@yahoo.com>
> Date: February 2, 2011
>


> HI Everyone
> Well please take your time in checking the pilot list that Scott has posted here and let me know if you find an error and also please check your club of affiliation please. Remember to be eligible in the team trophy you need to be current with your club and sign up with that club in the list so make sure this two items are OK. Please also let me know if you are going to be wet camping because tomorrow I am talking with the farm to see what spot have not been taking by snowbirds and then i will be giving the spots as they came in. I will be emailing the individual with the spot number and on Friday need to pay at registration time please. Also the dry camp will need to be paid at registration time on Friday even if you are going to be their from Tuesday, Wednesday or Thursday since we have set up this payment with the farm. If you have any question please email me or call me at 602-301-9578. Well if you haven't sign up yet you still on time for the great event in the south west.
> Take care
> Chico
>
>
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Old Feb 03, 2011, 10:50 AM
Ed
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Re: Fwd: Class A,B @ C

Classes come and go, I guess. And they will die when people stop
coming to the contests.

Our club used to run a monthly unlimited and 2M contest, but too few
would come for 2M to run the class, so we just dropped it and invited
the 2M pilots to fly with the unlimited people. Unlimited has come to
mean, "run what you brung", at least at our club. Likewise in the
Eastern Soaring League, there is no 2M class. It is all unlimited.
So you fly what you have. We get Easy Gliders, Spirits, even Radians
flying with the big birds. And as we know, it is the pilot, not the
plane that wins the contest. On a calm day that Radian ( motorless)
can float like a warm thought and do 10 minutes which is all that is
required.

2M will continue or die as a special class based on participation. If
people show up for 2M then let's run it!

Ed Anderson
Just another glider junky.

On Jan 31, 11:50 pm, GordyS...@aol.com wrote:

> Thanks Dave!
> Unless we know our past, we are doomed to repeat it...good or bad  :-).
> I forwarded this to our club members.
>
> And I want to say thanks to all the guys who did the work for us all to  
> enjoy today, guys like Dave Corven.
> Now if we could only put 2m to rest like Standard class :-)
> Gordy
>


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Old Feb 04, 2011, 06:24 PM
SOARDOG
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Re: Fwd: Class A,B @ C

It remains a mystery to me why people continue to want to apply new
(or, in some cases, old) rules to an activity which should exist for
the fun of engaging in it.

I realize the need to “win” or be better, but is it really necessary
to be able to enjoy the sport?

While it is true that a get-together with more than just a few
participants would cause chaos if everyone tries to participate at the
same time, this is usually not the case. But most understand the
concept of “open winch” even on the meta-level.

Having been a participant for more than 30 years in the sport, I have
seen almost everything come and go. The equipment we used was
empirically developed out of necessity and fitted the technology
available, or rather perhaps, took advantage of it.

While technology has provided us with more and more miracle materials,
the trend continues. Such is the case with the continuing
disappearance of the “winch” in favor of more affable methods of
attaining flight. Others continue to enjoy methods and procedures of
the past.

Those who attempt to apply the “old-school rules” to the rapidly
emerging forms of flying fun will certainly find themselves, like some
now, reminiscing about how we used to do it and what worked, and what
didn’t.

One thing is for sure: The things that didn’t work then, probably
won’t work now, with a few notable exceptions like ailerons.

The materials and technology will dictate the form of methods we will
be using the future.

And, Yes; we’re all going to eventually die and be replaced by those
who will surely think that we were truly obsessed.

Thus it will be with the form of our hobby and sport.

But even as radios, batteries and materials continue to evolve one
thing remains:

The whole point is to have fun, and those who try to tell you what is
the “right way” to do things will surely be left behind.

d.o.
LOR3214 (Lover of Radians #3214)

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Old Feb 05, 2011, 04:17 AM
Pablo\Chico\ Romero
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South West Classic

Hi everyone
As you can see this is going to be last weekend you have to sign up for the
classic. If you know of someone in your club that is planning to attend and has
not sign up let them know that the 7 Feb is the last day for sign up. Also if
you are at your club field and can do me a favor and announce that the South
west classic sign up is closing soon i will appreciate it. Well hope to see
everyone soon and lets have some fun.
Thank you
Chico



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Sent: Tue, February 1, 2011 10:54:11 PM
Subject: Re: [RCSE] Fwd: Class A,B @ C


HI Everyone
Well please take your time in checking the pilot list that Scott has posted here
and let me know if you find an error and also please check your club of
affiliation please. Remember to be eligible in the team trophy you need to be
current with your club and sign up with that club in the list so make sure this
two items are OK. Please also let me know if you are going to be wet camping
because tomorrow I am talking with the farm to see what spot have not been
taking by snowbirds and then i will be giving the spots as they came in. I will
be emailing the individual with the spot number and on Friday need to pay at
registration time please. Also the dry camp will need to be paid at registration
time on Friday even if you are going to be their from Tuesday, Wednesday or
Thursday since we have set up this payment with the farm. If you have any
question please email me or call me at 602-301-9578. Well if you haven't sign up
yet you still on time for the great event in the south west.
Take care
Chico



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Old Feb 05, 2011, 09:55 AM
Bob3rd
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Re: Fwd: Class A,B @ C

Very nice post. I am not a competition pilot but love flying. I
would love to have one of those unlimited ships that you guys talk
about but I know I will never be able to afford it. Besides, I just
enjoy throwing my Radian in the car when I see buzzards circling
overhead and then driving to the park nearby to launch. I fly for an
hour or two with few relaunches and have my fix for the day. I might
be motivated to do it again in the afternoon if the birds are circling
again. My Radian is great for "throw it in the car and go" flying. I
really respect and admire the competition pilots and love talking with
them when I get a chance but have come to know my own limitations at
my advanced age. I fly RC the same way I used to fly my full sized
sailplanes, for fun. I have friends who are still competition soaring
pilots in the real ships and admire them greatly but I don't have to
be one to enjoy the sport. My favorite quote by LOR3214 was:

The whole point is to have fun, and those who try to tell you what is
the “right way” to do things will surely be left behind.

On Feb 4, 7:24 pm, SOARDOG <doz...@gmail.com> wrote:

> It remains a mystery to me why people continue to want to apply new
> (or, in some cases, old) rules to an activity which should exist for
> the fun of engaging in it.
>
> I realize the need to “win” or be better, but is it really necessary
> to be able to enjoy the sport?
>
> While it is true that a get-together with more than just a few
> participants would cause chaos if everyone tries to participate at the
> same time, this is usually not the case. But most understand the
> concept of  “open winch” even on the meta-level.
>
> Having been a participant for more than 30 years in the sport, I have
> seen almost everything come and go.  The equipment we used was
> empirically developed out of necessity and fitted the technology
> available, or rather perhaps, took advantage of it.
>
> While technology has provided us with more and more miracle materials,
> the trend continues.  Such is the case with the continuing
> disappearance of the “winch” in favor of more affable methods of
> attaining flight.  Others continue to enjoy methods and procedures of
> the past.
>
> Those who attempt to apply the “old-school rules” to the rapidly
> emerging forms of flying fun will certainly find themselves, like some
> now, reminiscing about how we used to do it and what worked, and what
> didn’t.
>
> One thing is for sure:  The things that didn’t work then, probably
> won’t work now, with a few notable exceptions like ailerons.
>
> The materials and technology will dictate the form of methods we will
> be using the  future.
>
> And, Yes; we’re all going to eventually die and be replaced by those
> who will surely think that we were truly obsessed.
>
> Thus it will be with the form of our hobby and sport.
>
> But even as radios, batteries and materials continue to evolve one
> thing remains:
>
> The whole point is to have fun, and those who try to tell you what is
> the “right way” to do things will surely be left behind.
>
> d.o.
> LOR3214   (Lover of Radians #3214)


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Old Feb 07, 2011, 12:33 AM
Pablo\Chico\ Romero
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South West Classic closing on feb 7

Hi!

Here's an updated pilot/freq list:
http://casl.net/SWC%202011/SWC%202011%20Frequencies.pdf

Only ONE MORE DAY left to register! Registration closes on Monday, Feb. 7!

Chico



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From: "Pablo"Chico" Romero" <thunderbirds84@yahoo.com>
To: rcse@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tue, February 1, 2011 10:54:11 PM
Subject: Re: [RCSE] Fwd: Class A,B @ C


HI Everyone
Well please take your time in checking the pilot list that Scott has posted here
and let me know if you find an error and also please check your club of
affiliation please. Remember to be eligible in the team trophy you need to be
current with your club and sign up with that club in the list so make sure this
two items are OK. Please also let me know if you are going to be wet camping
because tomorrow I am talking with the farm to see what spot have not been
taking by snowbirds and then i will be giving the spots as they came in. I will
be emailing the individual with the spot number and on Friday need to pay at
registration time please. Also the dry camp will need to be paid at registration
time on Friday even if you are going to be their from Tuesday, Wednesday or
Thursday since we have set up this payment with the farm. If you have any
question please email me or call me at 602-301-9578. Well if you haven't sign up
yet you still on time for the great event in the south west.
Take care
Chico



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Old Feb 07, 2011, 11:54 AM
Charlie
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Re: South West Classic closing on feb 7

Chico
Remember that Slow Stick I won last year? I just finished it. So get ready to rumble!
Cheers
Charlie
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From: Pablo"Chico" Romero
To: rcse@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2011 11:33 PM
Subject: [RCSE] South West Classic closing on feb 7


Hi!

Here's an updated pilot/freq list:
http://casl.net/SWC%202011/SWC%202011%20Frequencies.pdf

Only ONE MORE DAY left to register! Registration closes on Monday, Feb. 7!

Chico



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From: "Pablo"Chico" Romero" <thunderbirds84@yahoo.com>
To: rcse@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tue, February 1, 2011 10:54:11 PM
Subject: Re: [RCSE] Fwd: Class A,B @ C


HI Everyone
Well please take your time in checking the pilot list that Scott has posted here and let me know if you find an error and also please check your club of affiliation please. Remember to be eligible in the team trophy you need to be current with your club and sign up with that club in the list so make sure this two items are OK. Please also let me know if you are going to be wet camping because tomorrow I am talking with the farm to see what spot have not been taking by snowbirds and then i will be giving the spots as they came in. I will be emailing the individual with the spot number and on Friday need to pay at registration time please. Also the dry camp will need to be paid at registration time on Friday even if you are going to be their from Tuesday, Wednesday or Thursday since we have set up this payment with the farm. If you have any question please email me or call me at 602-301-9578. Well if you haven't sign up yet you still on time for the great event in the south west.
Take care
Chico



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Old Feb 07, 2011, 03:29 PM
Pablo\Chico\ Romero
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Re: South West Classic closing on feb 7

cool so lets get it on with the combat,lol
chico



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From: Charlie <asw20l@comcast.net>
To: rcse@googlegroups.com
Sent: Mon, February 7, 2011 9:54:36 AM
Subject: Re: [RCSE] South West Classic closing on feb 7


Chico
Remember that Slow Stick I won last year? I just finished it. So get ready to
rumble!
Cheers
Charlie
----- Original Message -----

>From: Pablo"Chico" Romero
>To: rcse@googlegroups.com
>Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2011 11:33 PM
>Subject: [RCSE] South West Classic closing on feb 7
>
>
>Hi!
>
>Here's an updated pilot/freq list:
>http://casl.net/SWC%202011/SWC%202011%20Frequencies.pdf
>
>Only ONE MORE DAY left to register! Registration closes on Monday, Feb.

7!

>
>Chico
>
>
>

________________________________
From: "Pablo"Chico" Romero" <thunderbirds84@yahoo.com>

>To: rcse@googlegroups.com
>Sent: Tue, February 1, 2011 10:54:11 PM
>Subject: Re: [RCSE] Fwd: Class A,B @ C
>
>
>HI Everyone
>Well please take your time in checking the pilot list that Scott has posted
>here and let me know if you find an error and also please check your club of
>affiliation please. Remember to be eligible in the team trophy you need to be
>current with your club and sign up with that club in the list so make sure
>this two items are OK. Please also let me know if you are going to be wet
>camping because tomorrow I am talking with the farm to see what spot have not
>been taking by snowbirds and then i will be giving the spots as they came in.
>I will be emailing the individual with the spot number and on Friday need to
>pay at registration time please. Also the dry camp will need to be paid at
>registration time on Friday even if you are going to be their from Tuesday,
>Wednesday or Thursday since we have set up this payment with the farm. If you
>have any question please email me or call me at 602-301-9578. Well if you
>haven't sign up yet you still on time for the great event in the south west.
>Take care
>Chico
>
>
>

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