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Old Jan 06, 2011, 08:30 AM
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Airline Sbach 342 EP/GP ARF

Has anyone experience with Sbach 342 EP/GP ARF from Airline (aka Super Flying Model aka MTH Hobby Products, Taiwan) http://www.mth.com.tw/en/products/?m...detail&aid=305 ? I'm about to buy one...

and if you have more time:

1. do you think this is good as the 2nd model ? They say "This makes it an excellent intermediate plane for those new to R/C flying" - I have logged something like 50 hours with Bambi II (a foamie from Reichard http://www.reichard.cz/modely/epp-modely/bambi-ii/ - sorry, no English version) and had many hours with the simulator. I'll try to get someone experienced to help me with trims, CG and the 1st landing ;-)

2. they're not terribly detailed about what to get to complete it, what do you think about (from HobbyKing):
# motor Turnigy 4250 http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...idProduct=8489
# reg. TURNIGY Plush 60amp Speed Controller http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...idProduct=2166
(plus Programming card http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...idProduct=2169)
# Battery: Turnigy 4000mAh 4S 20C Lipo Pack http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...idproduct=9463
# Prop TGS Sport 11x5.5E Precision propeller http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...idProduct=7956
# Servos: HD-6001HB Power HD Standard Servo 43g/5.8kg/.16sec http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...idproduct=9655

Many thanks ! Honza
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Old Jan 06, 2011, 08:09 PM
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It looks heavy at 127cm wingspan and 1.8 kilo weight, that has to be with everything inside.
Your chosen equipment looks quite heavy also, no need for 43gram servos I think, I have a similar sized plane with 9gram servos, though some would think they are too light.
Also, the 4000mah 4 cell battery is heavy for that plane.

From my experience I'd say that plane is a bit too "hot" for somebody with experience mainly with something very similar to a cub (the bambi)...
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Old Jan 07, 2011, 02:20 AM
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Many thanks Cubber ! I'm also a bit concerned about the weight, will have a look for lighter servos.

For the battery, would you recommend less capacity (~less flying time) or 3 cell (~less power) ?

You're right that as a 2nd model, it can be a bit too hot (and expensive), but I wanted to have something that would be:
- still electric
- no foam
- more than 1m wingspan (I don't see terribly well)
- would let me grow, I don't want to buy yet another plane in 1/2year (of course, if I don't crash this one on the 2nd flight)...
So I said to myself I would get something better and stronger and be careful with the throttle at the beginning But it's not bought yet, so suggestions are the most welcome !
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Old Jan 07, 2011, 04:55 AM
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Well, I can only tell about my own experience, I've flied almost 2 years now. I learned to fly on a kyosho cub, probably quite similar experience to your bambi. After a few months I got the skyartec cessna - and managed to fly it, but still remember how fast it seemed.

Later I got the skyartec pitts, and in the beginning that was a scary plane to fly - the more aerobatic, the more you really have to know what you are doing with those controls. My next plane from there was a 3d foam plane, that was mostly just fun.

So this is the experience I had before getting something similar to that Sbach, and still the transition was a little bit scary.

I don't know why you don't like foam, I would strongly advice a foam 3d trainer first, as this will get your stick movements right, and give you loads of fun, while also being virtually impossible to destroy. I'm thinking of something like the geebee I have, easy to see in the air, and just fun to fly, and extremely crash resistant.
http://www.hobbycity.com/hobbycity/s...idProduct=7371
If you want bigger this one is a good alternative:
http://www.hobbycity.com/hobbycity/s...dProduct=10519

If you like something that flies more like a real plane, the art-tech pitts, also sold at hobbyking and other places, is a great flying plane and you will learn a lot on it, and most of all - it will not get boring in a few months like you feared.

Red Eagle GeeBee 3D EPP Plane Maiden Flight (5 min 30 sec)
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Old Jan 07, 2011, 04:56 AM
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Yes, for battery I'd recommend less mah, or both less mah and less power, but the more I think about it, that plane must be built for glow since it is that heavy, get something else !
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Old Jan 07, 2011, 05:15 PM
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Thanks for cooling me down ... I think I'll go for the Happy EPP, it is not a terribly nice plane, but should be good as intro into 3D and the cost (both the plane and the components) is something like 1/3-1/2 of the SBach. And it's big enough to be well visible. There is a nice long thread on it http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1093727 with generally good impressions. I will continue there with questions/flight impressions.

Will be back here if I decide to get SBach sometime - this might be actually soon as my 11-year son is already flying Bambi and it's not excluded he'll like to get something better, so he'll get Happy and me the SBach ... or maybe the other way round !
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Old Jan 07, 2011, 06:39 PM
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I think you will find the happy plenty challenging and fun - good luck with that one !
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