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Old Aug 25, 2012, 06:33 PM
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Any interest in selling me your winglets since you don't plan to use em?
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Old Aug 25, 2012, 07:51 PM
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Vic,

Am here, just waiting on stuff i ordered to arrive.

Anybody ever try 3M's polyolefin adhesion promoter? Was going to try it to see if it helps paint stick to EPO.

Neil
No, but I will try it.....It's rather pricey, but maybe worth it??

One source ........ http://www.autobodytoolmart.com/3m-a...7-p-10854.aspx
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Old Aug 25, 2012, 09:45 PM
What tree??.......Doh!!
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No, but I will try it.....It's rather pricey, but maybe worth it??

One source ........ http://www.autobodytoolmart.com/3m-a...7-p-10854.aspx
Can I bought was $18.99, even at that price ( which was clearance) is not cheap.

Gonna test on EPO, depron, maybe EPP and see if I can get paint and/or epoxy to stick and not lift.

Neil
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Old Aug 25, 2012, 09:51 PM
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Good show, Neil, keep us informed!
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Old Aug 25, 2012, 10:47 PM
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Smokin'....i could sell you my winglets, i guess. I'm in Canada, so shipping to you in the US will be $9.50. You can pm me with an offer if you're interested still.
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Old Aug 26, 2012, 06:33 AM
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Can I bought was $18.99, even at that price ( which was clearance) is not cheap.

Gonna test on EPO, depron, maybe EPP and see if I can get paint and/or epoxy to stick and not lift.

Neil
Yes I've tried it. Works well. Just don't have the nozzle too close to the foam or the carrier may attack the foam. I found holding the can 30 - 40 cm away from the foam worked. don't make a mistake with the vinyl or it will pull chunks of foam out when you try to remove it.

Paul
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Old Aug 26, 2012, 10:59 AM
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Thanks Paul!

I was considering to decant some into a jar and either brush on or push through an airbrush. Perhaps brush on for where one will glue pieces onto the foam. And/or spray via airgun for areas where I plan to paint. Definitely won't use prior to vinyl application- sound like it sticks!
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Old Aug 26, 2012, 10:08 PM
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Thanks Paul!

I was considering to decant some into a jar and either brush on or push through an airbrush. Perhaps brush on for where one will glue pieces onto the foam. And/or spray via airgun for areas where I plan to paint. Definitely won't use prior to vinyl application- sound like it sticks!
Decanting and an airbrush sounds like a good idea.
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Old Aug 27, 2012, 11:02 AM
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Thanks Paul: It may be a low cost airline without leather horizontal-incline seats .... but look at the legroom.

Don't think an adhesion promoter is a good idea. I covered the fuselage this weekend and was thankful that I was able to pull off the vinyl everytime it stuck where I didn't want it to stick.
I had done the wings before and thought that fuse would be easier to do. Man was I wrong.
Even though I did the fuse in 6 sections you work with rather large pieces of vinyl and when you do this side of the fuselage the part on the other side will do all kind of weird stuff sticking to itself, to the work bench or just wrinkle, fold and mess up. Most everytime that happened I was able to release and reposition the covering (well except for one piece which messed up so well that I had to replace it). I doubt that is possible when you apply the promoter. The vinyl sticks well enough directly to the foam.
One solution is what Pannoch already mentioned: Don't make mistakes. Good luck for that.
Finally I was able to put on the covering almost without wrinkles, but I managed to "bubble" the foam on a couple of places when trying to get the last small wrinkle out. I will have to re-do completely the last 3 or 4 centimeters on the nose. When finishing putting on the second side of the nose (the very last part) disaster struck, the covering stuck to first side and lifted up the part that already was good, then the part underneath wrinkeled and finally it tore when I streched it too much. Since it was late already the best thing one can do is put it aside and try again some other day.
Will see if I can repair the nose and put on the window sticker today and then I'll show pictures.

Jurgen
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Old Aug 27, 2012, 10:10 PM
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Started to cover the fuse tonight. Wow,, need patience and a heat gun..
It is comming along very well.
I can sure give credit to the guys that cover the whole fuse in 1 night.
I suppose with a little technique it will be easier.
I'm sure glad I listened and NOT tried to cover the whole top in 1 piece..
I am very happy with the butt seams and the 1/8" overlap. You have to be right on top of them to see the seams

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Old Aug 28, 2012, 11:14 AM
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The 737 got its nose job and now the finish is much more acceptable. Window and door stickers to follow.
I also finished one of the winglet light covers.

Lil hoss: It took me all sunday to cover the fuse, I logged 7-1/2 hours.
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Old Aug 28, 2012, 05:12 PM
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The 737 got its nose job and now the finish is much more acceptable. Window and door stickers to follow.
I also finished one of the winglet light covers.

Lil hoss: It took me all sunday to cover the fuse, I logged 7-1/2 hours.
Nice job on the nose Jurgen...... I found out if I get to flusterd with a problem,, come back to it another day. (Even though it bugs the hell outta me) LOL
7 1/2 hours huh. Wow that is a long time but I have about 2 1/2 hours in now and only the tail section is done. I will say the more I worked with the vinyl and hairdryer it got easier.
I'm going to give it a break for a few days. Other things to do.
Take Care

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Old Aug 28, 2012, 08:53 PM
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Started to cover the fuse tonight. Wow,, need patience and a heat gun..
It is comming along very well.
I can sure give credit to the guys that cover the whole fuse in 1 night.
I suppose with a little technique it will be easier.
I'm sure glad I listened and NOT tried to cover the whole top in 1 piece..
I am very happy with the butt seams and the 1/8" overlap. You have to be right on top of them to see the seams

Hoss
Nice to hear your progress Hoss! , Just got my kit in yesterday so I shall be joining you guys on this build I must say that this is one big bird Gladly, when I opened up the box there was no damage except to the packaging and not the parts.

I now have to decide how to proceed. keep up the great work guys!

cheers

Vic

@ Jurgen01, looking great! especially those nav lights
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Old Aug 28, 2012, 09:14 PM
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Good to know the packaging safe the kits.

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Old Aug 28, 2012, 11:07 PM
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Nice to hear your progress Hoss! , Just got my kit in yesterday so I shall be joining you guys on this build I must say that this is one big bird Gladly, when I opened up the box there was no damage except to the packaging and not the parts.

I now have to decide how to proceed. keep up the great work guys!

cheers

Vic

@ Jurgen01, looking great! especially those nav lights
That's because customs tries to pull the foam tray out of the box and breaks a chunk off the side. Same thing happened to my friends 737
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