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Old Jan 14, 2011, 10:11 PM
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Old Jan 14, 2011, 10:24 PM
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Tom I misspoke, I ment to say wmv, the kb's are less.
Also I get the same static just wearing the hat cam while driving.
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What's not to like on this HD camera? It's small, lightweight and HD video. I don't give a hoot about the vignetting or the focus. I go back to the little edvr (l think that's what is called) I bought and tucked away who knows where when I bought a V3 key cam. Now, with this camera I am satisfied using it on a plane or as a hat cam. I bought a couple of emergency chargers (on the way) so I can rig it up with my hat cam and take videos all day long at the flying field. With all the freeware and other inexpensive video editing programs I now have (Video Pad & AVI Demux) I can quickly edit and annotate my videos. I don't even think of using Adobe Premiere Element or Windows Moviemaker are off the table for me.

Comparing this to the two Jazz HDV 178 camcorders I have it feels like an overweight relic when I compare the key cam to the Jazz.

All in all, what a hoot!

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I really didn't mean to be critical of the HD808. For what it is - it's great. A miracle in fact. I just can't find a fit for my needs at present. Have fun, that's what this is all about. Got to admit the ZxD would look silly on my hat
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Old Jan 14, 2011, 11:00 PM
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Also I get the same static just wearing the hat cam while driving.
AH... thank you for that info. That seems to confirm the camera is just picking up RFI noise from the ignition, with perhaps no way to suppress it.
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I really didn't mean to be critical of the HD808. For what it is - it's great. A miracle in fact. I just can't find a fit for my needs at present. Have fun, that's what this is all about. Got to admit the ZxD would look silly on my hat
For $40 it is technological miracle. When I bought the Jazz HDV 178 for a $100 a few years ago I thought I found what I needed even though it was 5 ounces with battery. I found the V3 keycams and was amazed by the quality and lightweight package. And now the HD version. Best of all, I can velcro it to a plane or to my hat.

In another few years we will have that 60 FPS key cam with no vignetting. And, it will only cost $15. It's only a matter of time.
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Old Jan 14, 2011, 11:52 PM
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Here's a video I took skiing today. Don't blame the 808HD for the pauses in the vid in a couple of places, the original files are smooth with no pauses. I blame myself for doing too many clips and removals from the original clips and also using Win Live Movie Maker on an ancient (3 years old) computer.

You can really notice the vignetting on this one because of the white snow.

Keyfob Bob Skiing (7 min 9 sec)


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Oh, btw, no banjo music but the YT music copyright police got me anyway
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Nice, Yabba.

You sure do get a lot of nice sunny winter days there. What's the temp like?
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Yabba,

Very good. The snow covered your beautiful soccer field. How long before it melts?

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Oh, btw, no banjo music but the YT music copyright police got me anyway
Actually, there are some good banjo versions of Wipeout floating around! You might also like the one by Bobby Badfingers. Or in my case Danny Dumbthumbs? LOL

Touch and goes on snow look easy, but it ain't so! Nice job!
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Well Tom it didn't work. I added the on file next to the dcim on the root. Powered off then back on. It hesitated for a few then activated. I took a still and a short vid and got no date so, I added the file again and it must have bricked the cam because it just sits there. When I connect the usb the red light glows for a couple then turns off but trying to press the on/off button nothing happens. So now what should I do?
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I should ad that I got Diana to remove the time stamp when I ordered the cam so I don't know if I did something wrong.
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Actually, there are some good banjo versions of Wipeout floating around! You might also like the one by Bobby Badfingers. Or in my case Danny Dumbthumbs? LOL

Touch and goes on snow look easy, but it ain't so! Nice job!
LOL, Thanks Victa, I'll check it out

Tom and Bill, actually, I waited to long to go skiing, the temps have been in the low 50's the last couple of days and the snow (as you can see from the foot tracks) is going fast and was really too mushy for good skiing. Had fun though. It's suppose to be warm all this week so looks like we're headed back to the skool.

I hadn't flown at that place before and I really didn't like it. Too close to a main highway and the guy in charge says we can fly there but not to fly over the highway. So that means going to the south into the low sun. Plus there's a wicked rotor or something just as you are trying to get down after the little rise on the final approach from the east. Really kicks you around.

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I see Hobby-Lobby now has a HD version of the FlyCamOne, with more options of course, but you still can't beat this 808HD for the size and money!!!
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Old Jan 15, 2011, 12:34 PM
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Well Tom it didn't work. I added the on file next to the dcim on the root. Powered off then back on. It hesitated for a few then activated. I took a still and a short vid and got no date so, I added the file again and it must have bricked the cam because it just sits there. When I connect the usb the red light glows for a couple then turns off but trying to press the on/off button nothing happens. So now what should I do?
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I should ad that I got Diana to remove the time stamp when I ordered the cam so I don't know if I did something wrong.
Are you doing this with the USB cord connected to the camera? The camera must be disconnected from the PC USB port when doing this.

You shouldn't have to add the "ON" file again either, since it should still be there... it doesn't get automatically erased... you have to manually delete it or it will load the firmware eveytime you turn on the camera.

Might be worth going back to read the step by step instuctions I linked in post #3, and make sure you followed them exactly.
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I see Hobby-Lobby now has a HD version of the FlyCamOne, with more options of course, but you still can't beat this 808HD for the size and money!!!
Yeah... 4 times the cost... 3-1/2 times the weight... same video quality. But people will flock to it like they did they old one, because they see the ads for it, not knowing the HD key cam exists.
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Old Jan 15, 2011, 02:17 PM
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I'm comparing the keychain and the Flycamone HD. The only thing the flycam might have is a remote shutter. I kinda want to to be able to control pics/videos in flight. Is there a remote shutter option for the keychain camera? Beyond that, its hard to justify an extra $110 for the same video quality.

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I'm comparing the keychain and the Flycamone HD. The only thing the flycam might have is a remote shutter. I kinda want to to be able to control pics/videos in flight. Is there a remote shutter option for the keychain camera? Beyond that, its hard to justify an extra $110 for the same video quality.

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I know of no remote shutter option for the HD keycam. You are going to have to decide what's most important to you. Decisions, decisions.

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About Battery!

Hello guys.
I have a question about battery on new #11 camcorder version.

Early i was bought keychain ver #3 but i did not know about time charging of device and my camcorder not turn on - led not bright and when i put usb cable also nothing. Device Not i am afraid

Now i want to bought again keychain camcorder new version HD #11 on e-bay at 40$, but have a question about charging time.

Please reply if on new #11 version problem with battery and time charging about 1 hour is present? or i can plug device to USB or more time then one hour.

Big Thanks for reply my dear friends..

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I really dont think a remote shutter option on the 808 camera would be very useful. The still pictures just plain suck!

Now if they can give us live composite video out while it records... Might be useful for FPV!
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That makes sense! I guess I will have to see if the Flycamone HD takes decent photos. At this point though I will probably still get the keychain cam.
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Old Jan 15, 2011, 03:57 PM
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I'm comparing the keychain and the Flycamone HD. The only thing the flycam might have is a remote shutter. I kinda want to to be able to control pics/videos in flight. Is there a remote shutter option for the keychain camera? Beyond that, its hard to justify an extra $110 for the same video quality.

Thanks!
No plug and play shutter for the HD version (yet?) There was a hack done for the older 808 key chain camera by a user in Holland. It allowed emulating button clicks with a TX channel, and he was selling the parts for a DIY conversion, or the camera with the hack already installed. The price was very nominal, I thought. You search in "The MEGA key chain camera" thread and see if one could be devise for the HD version. The conversion was quite simple if you can solder on some small IC pins.

The HD key cam still pics appear to be upconverted about 2:1 from it's native CMOS pixel array, so they aren't as sharp as a more dedicated still picture camera, or even as good as some captured still frames from the video IMHO. The big question with the FCO HD is whether it REALLY has a 5 MP CMOS sensor like the specs say, or whether they are referring to it's still picture apparent pixel count, like the HD key cam does. This threw me at first, since the still pictures from the HD key cam have 5MP still photos after the up-conversion.
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Old Jan 15, 2011, 04:34 PM
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Hello guys.
I have a question about battery on new #11 camcorder version.

Early i was bought keychain ver #3 but i did not know about time charging of device and my camcorder not turn on - led not bright and when i put usb cable also nothing. Device Not i am afraid

Now i want to bought again keychain camcorder new version HD #11 on e-bay at 40$, but have a question about charging time.

Please reply if on new #11 version problem with battery and time charging about 1 hour is present? or i can plug device to USB or more time then one hour.

Big Thanks for reply my dear friends..

Sorry for my english...
The charge time is about one hour... depends on how far down you run the battery, of course! But the good thing is the LED indicator works like it should when connected to a standard USB plug charger or the computers USB port... the red LED stays lit to show the battery is charging, and then goes out when it is charged. HOWEVER, this is NOT the case with the car charger cable that comes with it. It will NOT light the red LED at all, but it WILL charge the battery AND also allow the camera to go into the video record mode while it is charging, i.e. the car charger power supply is in series with the camera's internal battery for unlimited recording time, up to the capacity of your flash card. It does this by supplying +5V on pin #4 of it's USB plug instead of the normal pin#1, according to our thread circuit sleuths!

A normal generic charger WILL charge the battery but will not allow the camera to toggle into the record mode while it's connected. BUT, if you start a recording with the camera's internal battery power FIRST, and THEN connect the camera to the generic charger, it WILL continue to power the camera until the recording process is stopped. If the camera stops recording momentarily due to the 20 min. stop/save/continue recording function, it will NOT resume recording if using a generic USB power supply. The special USB power plug as described above is needed for recording to resume. BUt if you have flashed in the continuous recording firmware, this procedure using a generic USB power supply will power the camera until the flash memory card is full.
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The charge time is about one hour... depends on how far down you run the battery, of course! But the good thing is the LED indicator works like it should when connected to a standard USB plug charger or the computers USB port... the red LED stays lit to show the battery is charging, and then goes out when it is charged. HOWEVER, this is NOT the case with the car charger cable that comes with it. It will NOT light the red LED at all, but it WILL charge the battery AND also allow the camera to go into the video record mode while it is charging, i.e. the car charger power supply is in series with the camera's internal battery for unlimited recording time, up to the capacity of your flash card. It does this by supplying +5V on pin #4 of it's USB plug instead of the normal pin#1, according to our thread circuit sleuths!
Thanks for reply.

I just want to know if i do charging my camcorder #11 with USB longer then 1 hour - battery is not die on new version recorder? like as #3 ver.
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I can't say that it wont kill it eventually, but I have left mine plugged in charging overnight, forgot about it... Still works fine! The red LED cuts off when it's done charging. Maybe there's a circuit inside that protects the battery... Pure speculation on my part though...
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The vendor circuit board picture shown in Post #2 identifies a small IC on the circuit board that reportedly manages the battery charging. It is unknown how it functions, but this is different from the old 808 cameras, which have a small circuit board packaged with the battery that was reported to merely bracket the camera voltage, i.e. shut off camera power when battery dropped below a minimum level, and shut off the charger when the voltage to the battery exceeded a maximum value. So the charge cycle may not have been optimal for that camera... i.e. no controlled CC/CV stages.
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Are you doing this with the USB cord connected to the camera? The camera must be disconnected from the PC USB port when doing this.

You shouldn't have to add the "ON" file again either, since it should still be there... it doesn't get automatically erased... you have to manually delete it or it will load the firmware eveytime you turn on the camera.

Might be worth going back to read the step by step instuctions I linked in post #3, and make sure you followed them exactly.
Yes I believe I followed them step by step. The first time I turned it on it took s moment for the yellow light to come on as expected. I took two still picks and a short movie, checked in my computer to view the files and no time mark on the images or vid. I hooked it up again and attempted to go at it again and it won't turn on at all. So I guess its start over or get a chip?
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Yes I believe I followed them step by step. The first time I turned it on it took s moment for the yellow light to come on as expected. I took two still picks and a short movie, checked in my computer to view the files and no time mark on the images or vid. I hooked it up again and attempted to go at it again and it won't turn on at all. So I guess its start over or get a chip?
Not sure what to tell you, assuming you started with the correct firmware file, made SURE the battery was well charged (so it doesn't lose power while it's flashing in new firmwareI. If you took some shots after flashing the memory, then that process didn't brick it, assuming the video files you looked at on the card afterwards were not old ones put there before you did the firmware update.

If you pushed the reset button and get no activity of any kind when hooked to the PC USB, the only thing left to try is to unsolder one battery lead, wait a few minutes, then solder it back and see if the camera will respond/charge, etc. That has worked with some cams.
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the only thing left to try is to unsolder one battery lead, wait a few minutes, then solder it back and see if the camera will respond/charge, etc. That has worked with some cams.
I was wondering if total dissconnect would help. I still think I toasted it but I just clipped the neg wire. I may have hit the vid button at the same time I tried to power it up when this happened. fat fingers. How long about ten min or so?

EDIT: gave it 10 min and reconnected, no luck. Airchime I must have gotten the older version that bricks when using the on/off file. I'm quessing that brick means the firmware got corrupted?
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Time/date removal on the 2 I just received worked like a charm! LOVING IT!
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Subscribed (I know... i'm late to the party).

Just found out about these today... can't wait to order a few.

Now onto reading the first 48 pages of this thread.
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Subscribed (I know... i'm late to the party).

Just found out about these today... can't wait to order a few.

Now onto reading the first 48 pages of this thread.
The first page and the first few posts has some key, summary information. The rest are video samples, frustration people have with bricking the camera when they remove the time stamp or trying to re-focus for longer distances. And, of course, there are some really bright people who post about the electronics of the the little camera. Enjoy, and welcome to the thread.

The most helpful person is the thread starter, Tom Frank.

In addition, you should bookmark Chucklohr.com. It is a blog of all the different types of keychain cameras. I believe this HD version is # 11.
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I was wondering if total dissconnect would help. I still think I toasted it but I just clipped the neg wire. I may have hit the vid button at the same time I tried to power it up when this happened. fat fingers. How long about ten min or so?

EDIT: gave it 10 min and reconnected, no luck. Airchime I must have gotten the older version that bricks when using the on/off file. I'm quessing that brick means the firmware got corrupted?
The only two people who said theirs bricked also said the camera did not come back on after the firmware flash procedure. Again, you said you took some pics and vids AFTER you flashed the firmware, and that worked except the date was still there. You said you were trying to turn ON the date/time stamp? Did yours come with it already turned off? They normally come with the date stamp already on. So, something else is going on with yours that is different.
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I was wondering if total dissconnect would help. I still think I toasted it but I just clipped the neg wire. I may have hit the vid button at the same time I tried to power it up when this happened. fat fingers. How long about ten min or so?

EDIT: gave it 10 min and reconnected, no luck. Airchime I must have gotten the older version that bricks when using the on/off file. I'm quessing that brick means the firmware got corrupted?
It is possible to brick these cameras if you open the case and handle the BARE circuit board with BARE hands. Did you do that by any chance (before you disconnected the battery)?

Anyway, if it doesn't work, it doesn't work... could be infancy electrical failure of some kind. I'd try to get a replacement rather than solder in a new IC if it were me... too many strange things with yours that doesn't follow the norm. Good luck!
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It is possible to brick these cameras if you open the case and handle the BARE circuit board with BARE hands. Did you do that by any chance (before you disconnected the battery)?

Anyway, if it doesn't work, it doesn't work... could be infancy electrical failure of some kind. I'd try to get a replacement rather than solder in a new IC if it were me... too many strange things with yours that doesn't follow the norm. Good luck!
I am lucky with how I handled my HD key cam when I opened it to adjust the focus. Geeze, the electronic guts fell right out and I handled it like a pickle that fell off my hamburger bun. I just bare fingered it and stuffed it back in place. No, I did not ground myself, but I don't live in dry climate.

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I am lucky with how I handled my HD key cam when I opened it to adjust the focus. Geeze, the electronic guts fell right out and I handled it like pickle that fell off my hamburger bun. I just bare fingered it and stuffed it back in place. No, I did not ground myself, but I don't live in dry climate.

Bill
It's not dry here either... certainly not this time of year. I'm not convinced it was static that did two of my old 808's in, but rather handling with the camera turned on trying to focus it with a webcam hook up. I wrap the circuitboard with tape now when doing anything with it open... seems to do the job.
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Photo mode

When i can view what quality of photos make this #11 device version? interesting non video screens.

Please do some photos in indoor and outdoor samples in photo mode.

Thanks
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Ordered mine. Can't wait.

Tom Frank, any luck with removing the 20 minute limit?
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Ordered mine. Can't wait.

Tom Frank, any luck with removing the 20 minute limit?
Not yet. I was told they could do it if there was enough demand. They seem to feel 20 min. stop/save function is preferred by most users. I'm not one of them as long as I have plenty of battery life, and now that the external "emergency charger" is available, the recording time can be boosted to about 5 hours +- an hour with a single 2000 mAh AA cell.

The more people that ask for this, the better then chances of a new firmware for this, but i'd want to still be able to keep the date stamp turned off along with it.

I'll ask My Camera Guy one more time.
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Not yet. I was told they could do it if there was enough demand. They seem to feel 20 min. stop/save function is preferred by most users. I'm not one of them as long as I have plenty of battery life, and now that the external "emergency charger" is available, the recording time can be boosted to about 5 hours +- an hour with a single 2000 mAh AA cell.

The more people that ask for this, the better then chances of a new firmware for this, but i'd want to still be able to keep the date stamp turned off along with it.

I'll ask My Camera Guy one more time.
Hi Tom,

I would prefer no save and continue function so long as the camera can reliably save the file when a low battery is detected.

As for the recording time on a single AA cell; Unless you have determined it yourself I would expect the up time to be much less than that. These things can be hopelessly inefficient as the voltage is stepped up in the emergency charger and stepped down in the camera charge circuit. I would not be too surprised if it was only about 60 to 90 mins. I hope I'm wrong!

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Yes, I think the same. Assume you take a 2000 mAh AA battery at 1.3 V or so. Needs to be stepped up 4x to get 5V. So it would need 4x the current. So you end up with an equivalent 500 mAh 5 V battery, IF conversion is at 100% efficiency... Then it needs to go through the charger circuit (I assume it charges the internal battery, like the car adaptor). So in the end, so I would be curious to see if 5 hrs recording time is really achieveable...

But for sure it will be longer than standard .
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Tom.
There is a problem with the 'normal' FAT32 format used on Flash cards - a limit of 4 gigabyte file size.
the 20min save and re-open yealds a file less than 2 Gigabytes long, & Looking at the numbers, that is probably a safe value, as 2gig is the max if the 32bit number used to store file length is used as a Signed Integer, 4 gig if it is used as an Unsigned Integer - a common GotchYa for programmers.
So - removing the 20min close/opennew restrictiion will rusult in a quiet phffut as the fileing system retires hurt, or at least garbages the file....
Mike
See link http://www.buzzle.com/articles/fat32...ize-limit.html

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Earlier there was mention of a dedicated battery charger chip on the camera board.
There are such chips available, and implement the 'normal' Lipo charge cyclye :-
Charge at Constant Current ( usually 1C e.g. 240mA for a 240 mAh cell) until the cell voltage is 4.2vots.
Then charge at Constant Voltage until the current drops to (typically) less than 10% of the CC rate.
The battery is now fully charged.
This accounts for the brief red flash when a fully charged camera is plugged into USB - the charger chip goes through all phases very quickly.
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Yes, I think the same. Assume you take a 2000 mAh AA battery at 1.3 V or so. Needs to be stepped up 4x to get 5V. So it would need 4x the current. So you end up with an equivalent 500 mAh 5 V battery, IF conversion is at 100% efficiency... Then it needs to go through the charger circuit (I assume it charges the internal battery, like the car adaptor). So in the end, so I would be curious to see if 5 hrs recording time is really achieveable...

But for sure it will be longer than standard .
with a bit of a hackapendectomy you could fit at 5000 mAh NMIH cell e.g. http://www.overlander.co.uk/batterie...?prop_size=197
Which could give you apx 3 hrs...
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On my #7, I just removed the battery and added a servo connector. Can run off the balance tap of a big lipo, or the original lipo externally

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showp...postcount=6684
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But the internal clock will stop without battery, so will have to be reset each time you power up.
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But the internal clock will stop without battery, so will have to be reset each time you power up.
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With the #7, you lose the date/time setting but not the user configured firmware. Since most of you remove the date/time, it's probably not a problem. But please don't brick your camera to prove me wrong!!

PS - disconnecting the battery and then reconnecting acts like a hard reset, the cam is ready to use
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The first page and the first few posts has some key, summary information. The rest are video samples, frustration people have with bricking the camera when they remove the time stamp or trying to re-focus for longer distances. And, of course, there are some really bright people who post about the electronics of the the little camera. Enjoy, and welcome to the thread.

The most helpful person is the thread starter, Tom Frank.

In addition, you should bookmark Chucklohr.com. It is a blog of all the different types of keychain cameras. I believe this HD version is # 11.
Thanks for the info (and saving me a lot of time reading through the whole thread).

Tom Frank sure did an excellent job keeping everything organized.

I plan on ordering one or two of these HD key chain cams in the next few weeks... can't wait!
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Wow great thread. I stumbled upon this just in time, I was about the order the new FlycamoneHD cams but order one of these instead

Cheap enough to put on a floatplane and get a little crazy.

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Wow great thread. I stumbled upon this just in time, I was about the order the new FlycamoneHD cams but order one of these instead

Cheap enough to put on a floatplane and get a little crazy.

Wayne
Wayne,

It is just very practical solution to those who want to take on board videos. You can simply just use it or go through improving it by removing the time stamp or refocusing it. If you want simple, just charge it, slap on a piece of good velcro (fuzzy side on the camera and hook on the plane). To aid adhesion I use Uhu Creativ contact cement for foam to really bond the velcro.

Enjoy.

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Thanks for the info (and saving me a lot of time reading through the whole thread).

Tom Frank sure did an excellent job keeping everything organized.

I plan on ordering one or two of these HD key chain cams in the next few weeks... can't wait!
BD,

Thanking Tom Frank is a great idea. He devotes a lot of time and energy to this topic. It's most appreciated.

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The only two people who said theirs bricked also said the camera did not come back on after the firmware flash procedure. Again, you said you took some pics and vids AFTER you flashed the firmware, and that worked except the date was still there. You said you were trying to turn ON the date/time stamp? Did yours come with it already turned off? They normally come with the date stamp already on. So, something else is going on with yours that is different.
I got Diana to remove the time stamp for me before it was shipped. And I was trying to ad the time ON file for todays speed runs but it didn't work. I thought the first go round didn't take thats why I added it the second time then blank.
After correspondence with Diana it will be resolved but not today
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Yes, I think the same. Assume you take a 2000 mAh AA battery at 1.3 V or so. Needs to be stepped up 4x to get 5V. So it would need 4x the current. So you end up with an equivalent 500 mAh 5 V battery, IF conversion is at 100% efficiency... Then it needs to go through the charger circuit (I assume it charges the internal battery, like the car adaptor). So in the end, so I would be curious to see if 5 hrs recording time is really achieveable...

But for sure it will be longer than standard .
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Hi Tom,

I would prefer no save and continue function so long as the camera can reliably save the file when a low battery is detected.

As for the recording time on a single AA cell; Unless you have determined it yourself I would expect the up time to be much less than that. These things can be hopelessly inefficient as the voltage is stepped up in the emergency charger and stepped down in the camera charge circuit. I would not be too surprised if it was only about 60 to 90 mins. I hope I'm wrong!

Simon
Good points guys... I have not tested the external emergency charger, and I did not consider efficiency losses. The 5 hours was an off the cuff WAG, without much thinking involved!

I don't know if I mentioned, though, that My Camera Guy has told me they are developing a new version that can record for about 4 hours. I don't have any details, though. He was asking what users prefer on the stop/record/continue function. There's no one answer for that obviously. I have another HD camera that records continuously, and will stop/save a the file if battery condition gets too low, so that's my preference. I gave feed back they need to add that function as a minimum. The existing HD key cam does not save a file when the battery gets low, so the segmented recordings are probably a good idea for it if you can't afford to lose a clip.
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I got Diana to remove the time stamp for me before it was shipped. And I was trying to ad the time ON file for todays speed runs but it didn't work. I thought the first go round didn't take thats why I added it the second time then blank.
After correspondence with Diana it will be resolved but not today
ApexAero,

Glad to read this will be resolved.

Bill
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Tom.
There is a problem with the 'normal' FAT32 format used on Flash cards - a limit of 4 gigabyte file size.
the 20min save and re-open yealds a file less than 2 Gigabytes long, & Looking at the numbers, that is probably a safe value, as 2gig is the max if the 32bit number used to store file length is used as a Signed Integer, 4 gig if it is used as an Unsigned Integer - a common GotchYa for programmers.
So - removing the 20min close/opennew restrictiion will rusult in a quiet phffut as the fileing system retires hurt, or at least garbages the file....
Mike
See link http://www.buzzle.com/articles/fat32...ize-limit.html

Mike
Yes, I knew about file size limits, but have never tested to see what happens when its exceeded... i.e. does the whole file get trashed, or does the file get closed with the end truncated? My HD key cam always seems to average right around 7Mbps data rate, and my 20 min. files are about 1.05 GB in size. I know some people are reporting AVERAGE data rates up to 10Mbps, but I haven't seen it on mine... don't know why the big differences.

My JAZZ HD camera shoots very good 1280x720 @ 30 fps video (a little better than the HD key cam due to it's better lens and real 5MP sensor) with an average data rate of only about 4.2Mbps, so I think the the HD key cam could actually benefit (given the lower quality optics) by reducing the data rate a bit and the file sizes along with it. But I digress...

My main gripe with the stop/save/continue (S/S/C) on this camera is I fly up to 30 min. with some planes, and would like uninterrupted video. I think they could double it to 40 min., and still easily contain the video on a 4 GB flash card if the battery would last that long, which mine does for now while its new and healthy

I've confirmed the file is saved when the card fills up, and the file is not saved when the battery gets low, so the big issue is battery life with the S/S/C function. If it were 30 min. instead of 20 min., I probably would not care as much.
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Earlier there was mention of a dedicated battery charger chip on the camera board.
There are such chips available, and implement the 'normal' Lipo charge cyclye :-
Charge at Constant Current ( usually 1C e.g. 240mA for a 240 mAh cell) until the cell voltage is 4.2vots.
Then charge at Constant Voltage until the current drops to (typically) less than 10% of the CC rate.
The battery is now fully charged.
This accounts for the brief red flash when a fully charged camera is plugged into USB - the charger chip goes through all phases very quickly.
Mike
Makes sense... thanks for the info.
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They seem to feel 20 min. stop/save function is preferred by most users. I'm not one of them as long as I have plenty of battery life, and now that the external "emergency charger" is available, the recording time can be boosted to about 5 hours +- an hour with a single 2000 mAh AA cell.

The more people that ask for this, the better then chances of a new firmware for this, but i'd want to still be able to keep the date stamp turned off along with it.

I'll ask My Camera Guy one more time.
I'll reply to myself to update this.

My Camera Guy said they WILL be doing a firmware mod to allow continuous recording. But it won't be done until sometime after the Chinese New Years holiday, which lasts about 2 weeks or so as I recall. So sit tight, and maybe well have a fix soon. I've requested that the date stamp removal be retained with this additional mod.

Also, they have decided to STOP selling the external "emergency charger" as a separate item on eBay... probably because it's going to be included as an accessory with the camera. But if you want one, My Camera Guy said you could email him directly and he could sell one separately off eBay. Also, now that we know how the car charger works by moving the USB +5V from pin #1 to pin #4, you could also buy one of the similar chargers for cell phones, and modify it for use with the camera.
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BD,

Thanking Tom Frank is a great idea. He devotes a lot of time and energy to this topic. It's most appreciated.

Bill
Bill, et. al.

Thanks for the kudos on the thread... they have not gone unnoticed and are appreciated!

I'll admit more time has gone into this than I thought when I started this... I guess I underestimated how fast the HD key cam following would grow. BUT, as more things are discovered and questions get asked, answered, and documented with links in the FAQ Post #3, it will save a lot of time and posting for every one later. When some one asks a question you know is answered in the FAQ, you can just refer them to Post #3!
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I'll reply to myself to update this.

...
Also, they have decided to STOP selling the external "emergency charger" as a separate item on eBay... probably because it's going to be included as an accessory with the camera. But if you want one, My Camera Guy said you could email him directly and he could sell one separately off eBay. Also, now that we know how the car charger works by moving the USB +5V from pin #1 to pin #4, you could also buy one of the similar chargers for cell phones, and modify it for use with the camera.
I bought two of them on ebay. They are on the way.

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Slightly off-topic, I apologize. But is there a non-HD key chain cam thread? I have a ton of trouble with mine, and would love to get some input.
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Slightly off-topic, I apologize. But is there a non-HD key chain cam thread? I have a ton of trouble with mine, and would love to get some input.
See "The MEGA Keyfob Camera thread in this same forum".
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Slightly off-topic, I apologize. But is there a non-HD key chain cam thread? I have a ton of trouble with mine, and would love to get some input.
Join the club at:
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1115052

Iam also having troubles. You can see it in one of my last posts there.
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Yes, I knew about file size limits, but have never tested to see what happens when its exceeded... i.e. does the whole file get trashed, or does the file get closed with the end truncated? My HD key cam always seems to average right around 7Mbps data rate, and my 20 min. files are about 1.05 GB in size. I know some people are reporting AVERAGE data rates up to 10Mbps, but I haven't seen it on mine... don't know why the big differences.

My JAZZ HD camera shoots very good 1280x720 @ 30 fps video (a little better than the HD key cam due to it's better lens and real 5MP sensor) with an average data rate of only about 4.2Mbps, so I think the the HD key cam could actually benefit (given the lower quality optics) by reducing the data rate a bit and the file sizes along with it. But I digress...

My main gripe with the stop/save/continue (S/S/C) on this camera is I fly up to 30 min. with some planes, and would like uninterrupted video. I think they could double it to 40 min., and still easily contain the video on a 4 GB flash card if the battery would last that long, which mine does for now while its new and healthy

I've confirmed the file is saved when the card fills up, and the file is not saved when the battery gets low, so the big issue is battery life with the S/S/C function. If it were 30 min. instead of 20 min., I probably would not care as much.
Yes I agree there, a less conservative close/Opennew of 40 mins sounds safe, 60mins if the programmer likes running the tube
Lets C what the Cnewyear brings..
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My Camera Guy said they WILL be doing a firmware mod to allow continuous recording. But it won't be done until sometime after the Chinese New Years holiday, which lasts about 2 weeks or so as I recall. So sit tight, and maybe well have a fix soon. I've requested that the date stamp removal be retained with this additional mod.
Uhoh, you guys better sit back and pop a couple of cold ones. Might be little while.

http://www.infoplease.com/spot/chinesenewyear1.html

Looks like a month out (to the end)

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I just got my camera from eletoponline365 but I can't seem to get it to work.

If I push the power button (the bigger of the two buttons) the yellow led starts flashing: on about a second, off about 1/2 sec and just continues to do that over and over again.

Pushing the "shutter" button (at least that is what the instructions called it, the smaller of the two buttons) doesn't have any effect at all, led just keeps flashing yellow as above.

Pusthing the power button again once it is flashing as above will cause the yellow led to flash once quickly and then it returns to the 1 second on:1/2 off yellow flashing.

Eventually after a couple minutes of not pushing any buttons and the unit turns itself off again.

Plugging in the usb cable and the red charging light comes on and stays on (until charged up and it turns off).

Pushing the power button when the usb is connected causes it to alternate between red and yellow led flashing and I get a "Removable Diske E:" on my computer which if I open I get "DCIM" and in that folder I get "100MEDIA". Sounds promising, but I never get anything inside 100MEDIA no matter what series of buttons I push to try to get it into either video or still picture mode (with or without the usb cable attached). If I right click on E: it tells me it is FAT with 8,192 bytes used and 970,752 bytes free (that seems might small - isn't this thing supposed to have an internal 512Mbyte memory?).

The only recording mode I've ever gotten it into is as a usb camera (those instructions - post 427 - are the only ones that seem to work).

Am I just incredibly dense/stupid when it comes to trying to follow simple instructions or is something wrong with my camera?

Thanks
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Thannks, Sir!
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I just got my camera from eletoponline365 but I can't seem to get it to work.

If I push the power button (the bigger of the two buttons) the yellow led starts flashing: on about a second, off about 1/2 sec and just continues to do that over and over again.

Pushing the "shutter" button (at least that is what the instructions called it, the smaller of the two buttons) doesn't have any effect at all, led just keeps flashing yellow as above.

Pusthing the power button again once it is flashing as above will cause the yellow led to flash once quickly and then it returns to the 1 second on:1/2 off yellow flashing.

Eventually after a couple minutes of not pushing any buttons and the unit turns itself off again.

Plugging in the usb cable and the red charging light comes on and stays on (until charged up and it turns off).

Pushing the power button when the usb is connected causes it to alternate between red and yellow led flashing and I get a "Removable Diske E:" on my computer which if I open I get "DCIM" and in that folder I get "100MEDIA". Sounds promising, but I never get anything inside 100MEDIA no matter what series of buttons I push to try to get it into either video or still picture mode (with or without the usb cable attached). If I right click on E: it tells me it is FAT with 8,192 bytes used and 970,752 bytes free (that seems might small - isn't this thing supposed to have an internal 512Mbyte memory?).

The only recording mode I've ever gotten it into is as a usb camera (those instructions - post 427 - are the only ones that seem to work).

Am I just incredibly dense/stupid when it comes to trying to follow simple instructions or is something wrong with my camera?

Thanks
Tim
Tim,

Did you install a micro card?

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There's no internal memory used for storage, that 512MB Hynix chip is only used as a buffer for the camera. You HAVE to have a memory card in it to use it. With no memory card, the camera will turn on, blink exactly as you describe, then turn off.
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BD,

Thanking Tom Frank is a great idea. He devotes a lot of time and energy to this topic. It's most appreciated.

Bill
Yup, Tom Frank is an awesome member of this forum. I remember I had problems with a few of my micro cameras (FlyCamOne 2, key chain cam, gum cam, etc.) last year. I couldn't get the video to show up on my computer. So I posted my question on another thread about the key chain cameras and sure enough Tom Frank sent me a PM and helped me get all of the cameras working. He saved me a lot of time and money (I probably would have through the cameras out).

So a big thanks to Tom Frank. We would be nowhere with these key chain cameras without him.

Bill
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There's no internal memory used for storage, that 512MB Hynix chip is only used as a buffer for the camera. You HAVE to have a memory card in it to use it. With no memory card, the camera will turn on, blink exactly as you describe, then turn off.
Thanks for the response.

Okay, I guess I am incredibly stupid No I didn't install an external memory card - thought the internal one would be used if no external one was iinstalled. Managed to get through 32 pages of posts without anyone else posting about that (guess no one else is quite as ignorant as I am ).

Any particular things to look for when I go shopping for an external card?

Thanks,
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Thanks for the response.

Okay, I guess I am incredibly stupid No I didn't install an external memory card - thought the internal one would be used if no external one was iinstalled. Managed to get through 32 pages of posts without anyone else posting about that (guess no one else is quite as ignorant as I am ).

Any particular things to look for when I go shopping for an external card?

Thanks,
Tim
Tim,

You want a fast read / write card. I have bought Kingston Class 4 cards (4GB and 8 GB) from Amazon.com. Some cards (class 2) or what's on sale no name micro cards are not very good capturing video with these camaeras. Their slowness results in video that hangs and stutters.

Bill
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Just make sure you get one fast enough for the camera... The seller's say to get at least a class 4, but the "class" rating doesn't tell all. So far it seems these HD cameras are less picky about which cards they'll work with than the old cameras. Personally I've used a Patriot class 10, and a Sandisk class 4. Others say the Transcend cards are good. Cards are cheap though, and if you have another device that uses them like a phone, then even one too slow for the camera won't be a total loss... Look through the thread and see what others are using and try to find one cheap, and you're sure to come out good!
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Just make sure you get one fast enough for the camera... The seller's say to get at least a class 4, but the "class" rating doesn't tell all. So far it seems these HD cameras are less picky about which cards they'll work with than the old cameras. Personally I've used a Patriot class 10, and a Sandisk class 4. Others say the Transcend cards are good. Cards are cheap though, and if you have another device that uses them like a phone, then even one too slow for the camera won't be a total loss... Look through the thread and see what others are using and try to find one cheap, and you're sure to come out good!
The Kingston Class 4 works well but choosing it was luck.

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Thanks for the response.

Okay, I guess I am incredibly stupid No I didn't install an external memory card - thought the internal one would be used if no external one was iinstalled. Managed to get through 32 pages of posts without anyone else posting about that (guess no one else is quite as ignorant as I am ).

Any particular things to look for when I go shopping for an external card?

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Hi Tim,
Did you get a small folded slip of instructions with your camera? If not, that is where your problems started. If you did get it and were so excited with the camera that you didn't take time to read the function description, then THAT would be where your problems started!

The instructions are written in broken English, admittedly, but the symptoms your camera showed is described in item No. 3 in the "Function description" paragraph.

Another person is consolidating camera instructions written in more correct English soon, and I will be adding the link to the FAQs in Post #3. Sorry you had so much trouble.
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Hi Tim,
Did you get a small folded slip of instructions with your camera? If not, that is where your problems started. If you did get it and were so excited with the camera that you didn't take time to read the function description, then THAT would be where your problems started!

The instructions are written in broken English, admittedly, but the symptoms your camera showed is described in item No. 3 in the "Function description" paragraph.

Another person is consolidating camera instructions written in more correct English soon, and I will be adding the link to the FAQs in Post #3. Sorry you had so much trouble.
Yes I did get the instruction sheet and "broken english" is an understatement. But now that it has been explained that an external memory card is necessary I went back and reread those instructions more carefully and #3 does say:

"3. Turn on camera without card, machine turn off after light slow flash 30 seconds."

Had so much trouble trying to understand the other instructions, guess I skipped over #3. Fairly well describes my symptoms. Simple case of RT*M.

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Yes I did get the instruction sheet and "broken english" is an understatement. But now that it has been explained that an external memory card is necessary I went back and reread those instructions more carefully and #3 does say:

"3. Turn on camera without card, machine turn off after light slow flash 30 seconds."

Had so much trouble trying to understand the other instructions, guess I skipped over #3. Fairly well describes my symptoms. Simple case of RT*M.

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Tim,

Don't feel bad. It is the male gene that inhibits studying instructions or asking for directions when driving.

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I'll reply to myself to update this.

My Camera Guy said they WILL be doing a firmware mod to allow continuous recording. But it won't be done until sometime after the Chinese New Years holiday, which lasts about 2 weeks or so as I recall. So sit tight, and maybe well have a fix soon. I've requested that the date stamp removal be retained with this additional mod.

Also, they have decided to STOP selling the external "emergency charger" as a separate item on eBay... probably because it's going to be included as an accessory with the camera. But if you want one, My Camera Guy said you could email him directly and he could sell one separately off eBay. Also, now that we know how the car charger works by moving the USB +5V from pin #1 to pin #4, you could also buy one of the similar chargers for cell phones, and modify it for use with the camera.
The problem may be that in any existing charger, it's unlikely pin 4 of the mini-USB connector will be connected to anything, unless it is grounded inside the connector. So you would be looking at having to either cut into the connector to rearrange things, or buy a new connector.
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Any particular things to look for when I go shopping for an external card?

Thanks,
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I forgot... I prefer Transcend Class 6 cards... fastest card over all for the money IMHO. And this place has the best prices I've found... $10.60 with free delivery in the US. You can sometimes also get good deals at Amazon.com and NewEgg.com for online shopping. A 4GB card will store a little under 80 minutes of video, but the camera battery only lasts about half that long on a charge.
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The problem may be that in any existing charger, it's unlikely pin 4 of the mini-USB connector will be connected to anything, unless it is grounded inside the connector. So you would be looking at having to either cut into the connector to rearrange things, or buy a new connector.
Yes... that's what I meant when I said you could modify a generic charger, like we were discussing back in this post.
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Hey guys,
could anyone give me info about how much capturing time you get from 2gb, 4gb, 8gb memory cards?
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could anyone give me info about how much capturing time you get from 2gb, 4gb, 8gb memory cards?
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look 2 posts back at #778 and then do a little maths.
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Any photos of barebone installations of this cam - I am planning to use this with HBZ Champ, and hence need to shave all excess weight, including the case (not sure about the battery - could draw power from the flight battery, but not sure if I want to cut down the flight time).

I would assume a shrinkwrap could do the trick (just remove the case and wrap the whole thing, incl. battery, and cut a hole for USB charge port)?
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Any photos of barebone installations of this cam - I am planning to use this with HBZ Champ, and hence need to shave all excess weight, including the case (not sure about the battery - could draw power from the flight battery, but not sure if I want to cut down the flight time).

I would assume a shrinkwrap could do the trick (just remove the case and wrap the whole thing, incl. battery, and cut a hole for USB charge port)?
The camera only weighs 15 grams or about .5 ounce.
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The camera only weighs 15 grams or about .5 ounce.
Yes, that's correct, and saw some photos of a barebone (without a case) weighting 9.7 grams, so around 30 percent weight loss is possible. On a 37 g plane 5 g makes a difference already Not sure though if the operation of the camera will become a burden without the proper buttons (mine's still in the mail)
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Yes, that's correct, and saw some photos of a barebone (without a case) weighting 9.7 grams, so around 30 percent weight loss is possible. On a 37 g plane 5 g makes a difference already Not sure though if the operation of the camera will become a burden without the proper buttons (mine's still in the mail)
Did you see Yabba's answer to your original question? (post 662 here)
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Any photos of barebone installations of this cam - I am planning to use this with HBZ Champ, and hence need to shave all excess weight, including the case (not sure about the battery - could draw power from the flight battery, but not sure if I want to cut down the flight time).

I would assume a shrinkwrap could do the trick (just remove the case and wrap the whole thing, incl. battery, and cut a hole for USB charge port)?
I have mounted the regular SD 808 on the bottom of a Champ, and it flew fine with no modification to the camera. I don't know what your experience with electronics is, but these little things are fragile. My own recommendation would be to leave it in the case; I ruined one last week just by trying to focus it. Although I thought I was being careful, I shorted something and POOF, the camera was dead. I would assume the HD model is just as fragile as the SD model.

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Hey guys, stepped up from lurking.
I have experience with two previous models of the gumstick cam. One shoots 640x480, the other has a "fake" HD of 1280x720, but it really just upconverted 640x480. I went looking to see if they had a true HD version out yet, and stumbled upon Chucklor's site referencing the 808 cameras. I saw there was a new #11 HD version, and was linked over to this thread. I read a little of the first page, and ordered one from eletoponline.

My first question was going to be recommended SD card. I've got a 4GB SDHC class 4 PNY card, so I think that will be fast enough (I hope). Recent posts say that will record about 80 minutes of video. But I'm surprised that it only gives about 40 minutes of recording on a battery charge? My other two cams run almost 2 hours, so I'll have to get used to this limitation. Still, I'm really looking forward to h264 over mjpeg and true HD.

Also, I'm not following this 'new firmware' with continuous shooting that may come out after the Chinese New Year. On my other two cameras the movie was always saved continuously, so even if you run it to dead battery, the movie is saved. Is that not the case with this current firmware? Will I need to recover the camera before the battery dies and push the shutter button?
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Thanks to all for pointing out that I needed a memory card. Went out and bought one and now the camera works fine. Amazing video quality for such a small camera. Looking forward to using this alot, both as an inflight camera and as a hands-free flight video recorder (attached to a ballcap or to my glasses).

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Thanks to all for pointing out that I needed a memory card. Went out and bought one and now the camera works fine. Amazing video quality for such a small camera. Looking forward to using this alot, both as an inflight camera and as a hands-free flight video recorder (attached to a ballcap or to my glasses).

Tim
Tim,

All is good. Congratulations.

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Yes, that's correct, and saw some photos of a barebone (without a case) weighting 9.7 grams, so around 30 percent weight loss is possible. On a 37 g plane 5 g makes a difference already Not sure though if the operation of the camera will become a burden without the proper buttons (mine's still in the mail)
Without the case, the lens module will just dangle from it's ribbon cable... VIBRATION! Poor video and stress the cable. As a minimum, put heat shrink over the whole circuit board to stabilize the lens and prevent shorting the board and bricking it (VERY easy to do with bare hand handling).

People have flown the camera on these tiny planes WITH the case.
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Old Jan 17, 2011, 12:43 PM
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Any photos of barebone installations of this cam - I am planning to use this with HBZ Champ, and hence need to shave all excess weight, including the case (not sure about the battery - could draw power from the flight battery, but not sure if I want to cut down the flight time).

I would assume a shrinkwrap could do the trick (just remove the case and wrap the whole thing, incl. battery, and cut a hole for USB charge port)?

I decased one of my SD #3's right after I got it. The buttons are easy to press on the bare board. I didn't shrinkwrap it or anything, just velcro or tape it to a different plane every day. It has survived a 200 ft fall from a plane (it just fell off the plane onto concrete, bad tape job). They really are fragile, but only when you mess with the little connections inside; lens adjustment, battery replacement, etc.
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What kind of battery upgrade could be done to extend the battery life?
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What kind of battery upgrade could be done to extend the battery life?
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showp...&postcount=569
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I bought two of them on ebay. They are on the way.

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Bill,

I think you were the first (and maybe the last) to order one of these external chargers on Ebay before they pulled the ad. When you get your external charger, can you do a test to see how much longer the recording time is with a given size (mAh) AA cell? I'd also like to know what the output voltage is from the charger. I've got some old lipos that still have capacity, but drop the voltage too much for powering a motor. Might work just fine for powering the camera with proper voltage regulation.
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Does anyone have trouble copying the files directly from the camera hooked up to the computer? I can't seem to get it to work in U Disk mode. It charges fine with USB, but when I turn it on, the computer still doesn't recognize it. I'm using Win7x64 and it recognizes all of the other memory cards I have just fine. I have to take the memory card out and stick it in a micro memory card reader and that works. It would be nice if I could just copy/move directly from the camera.
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Bill,

I think you were the first (and maybe the last) to order one of these external chargers on Ebay before they pulled the ad. When you get your external charger, can you do a test to see how much longer the recording time is with a given size (mAh) AA cell?
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I will test it with a 2000 mah Eneloop NiMh AA cell. I suspect it will run longer than I have micro cards.
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What kind of battery upgrade could be done to extend the battery life?
I recalled that someone on the main 808 Keyfob thread had tried installing a new lipo cell in the cam. A quick search turned-up the post:

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showp...postcount=2928

Bottom-line was that a single 240mah cell did not fit well in the case. My guess is that the 808HD is not going to have substantially more space in there.

There are lots of other posts in that thread about adding a port to the side of the case to run it off an external battery. My sense with the 808HD, though, is that it'd be way easier to either use the accessory AA power thing or build your own JST to USB adapter (with + on Pin4 per the research in this thread) to use an external pack on the cam's existing port.
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Does anyone have trouble copying the files directly from the camera hooked up to the computer? I can't seem to get it to work in U Disk mode. It charges fine with USB, but when I turn it on, the computer still doesn't recognize it. I'm using Win7x64 and it recognizes all of the other memory cards I have just fine. I have to take the memory card out and stick it in a micro memory card reader and that works. It would be nice if I could just copy/move directly from the camera.
No one has reported this yet. I assume you are pushing the power button after you get the red LED when you first plug it in to toggle on the flash drive mode (with yellow LED lit), right? Does the yellow LED light? It should flash once, with USB recognition tone immediately after.

W7 (64) is not the problem (I have the same).
Try a different USB port, and/or a different USB cable.
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I connect to my PC and get a red light. I press the power button and the yellow light comes one but its not recognized by the computer. I've tried on two seperate Win7x64 boxes and no luck. I even tried turning it on before connecting to the compy. I've even tried different micro USB cables. As long as it performs in the other areas, I'm OK with the status as is.

I just recently bought an HD Gopro 1080p and will post up a direct comparison soon. I know the Gopro will win, but will it win by $200?

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No one has reported this yet. I assume you are pushing the power button after you get the red LED when you first plug it in to toggle on the flash drive mode (with yellow LED lit), right? Does the yellow LED light? It should flash once, with USB recognition tone immediately after.

W7 (64) is not the problem (I have the same).
Try a different USB port, and/or a different USB cable.
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JUST got it to work!! Apparently, I have to push the micro USB plug into the camera FIRMLY. And now it goes.. Must be a micro connection that's a back a bit.
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