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Old Apr 11, 2011, 11:10 PM
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no idea about the royal oak............royal william was a kit from euromodels..they still sell it.....i doubled the size of the plans.....
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Old Apr 12, 2011, 05:01 AM
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Thank you very much, Admiral!

This basically answers most of my thoughts/considerations.
That drawings have a good resolution allready.

One more, if I may?

Would you be willing to share the cross section plan(s) in a printable quality with me?
I just want to compare the hull lines with my Pirate Galeon lines.

Regarding the "HMS Royal Oak" - doing a google search I just discovered this link:
http://www.ssplprints.com/category.php?catid=867

Now I know where these images originally come from!

Also love that one:
http://www.ssplprints.com/image.php?...romsearch=true
"HMS Archilles" - thatīs a good name!
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Old Apr 12, 2011, 07:03 AM
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Autsch!!!

Surfing the net to find more reliable datas about galeons of the 16th/17th century - especially of compareable size to my own german "Red Lion" of 1590 -
240-250 metric tons displacement -
I had come across the "Andalucia".
Really a nice galeon.

Actually doing a google search for cross sections of that specific ship I came across this video:
http://www.gmanews.tv/story/202929/r...r-da-del-galen

Holy ! All this stupid blablabla - and not a single moment of her under sails in it. And reporter voices like scratching nails -...-

Just checked on youtube for "Galeon Andalucia" and found this:
Galeón Andalucía en el Mar de la China (2 min 19 sec)


AAHHH! - Much better!
Even the music is acceptable!
And there is more.

This seems to be the buildcrew at the christening of the ship:
Despedida del Galeón Andalucía en Sevilla 21 Marzo 2.010 (10 min 7 sec)

Lovely details to watch.

This time it at least stayed right side up:

Galeón Andalucía (4 min 10 sec)


Even a video of the build I found:

Construcción Galeón Andalucía.wmv (5 min 54 sec)


And then the huge surprise:
This damn thing is made of fibreglass/polyester and got twin diesel engines!!!

A quote from that site - with some technical datas.
But no mention, that itīs actually a polyestership:

"The Galéon Andalucía is made from pine, oak and iroko, a kind of hardwood sometimes referred to as African teak. It is 51 meters long and features a 10.10-meter beam with four masts for seven sails. It weighs 495 tons and has 10 cast-iron cannons."

The interesting part for me:
Itīs about a 1:1,25 scale compared to my "Red Lion" and twice as much displacement.
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Old Apr 12, 2011, 11:15 AM
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i doubt if the hulls would be similar.....this might help
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Old Apr 13, 2011, 12:05 AM
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This is very helpful!

Thank you very much, Mr. Yancovitch!

I didnīt expect the (two) hullshapes to have much similarities,
just wanted to have something real to compare to.
And your "Royal William" is REAL!

I hope you have seen our lovely "Marylin Monroe" of all ships in color?
For more than 33 years I only knew these pics in black&white.
Just in case you`ve missed the link:
http://www.ssplprints.com/category.php?catid=867
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And what have you done in between?

Looking at the first video of the launch of "Galeon Andalucia", I wondered where her props might be located.

Today I found this second video:

Botadura del Galeon Andalucia, Pabellon de Andalucia en la Expo de Shangai de 2010 (7 min 4 sec)


Here it clearly can be seen the props are located a bit lower than half of her draft and forward of the rudder.
______________

By the way - since yesterday my own galeon model isnīt any longer only a foam plug with wooden keel.
From now on this is really a hull.

5 layers of 290gr. fibreglass twill + 1 layer of 160gr. twill.
Plus 2.5 kgs epoxy resin.

Seemingly seamless laminate -...-
You shouldn`t try do do this unless you got a lot of experience with laminating. The tight radiusses around the keel are a pain to do and a challenge for your patience.
And if you dare to try this, NEVER try to do it with glassfibre LINNEN -
- allways use TWILL!!! + slow curing epoxy resin - 45 min. at least. -
Otherwise youīll never have a chance to get it right!

After the 4 hour battle and the day after:
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You are a master of fiberglassing.
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Old Apr 14, 2011, 12:08 PM
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5 layers......at once? or dry in between?
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Old Apr 14, 2011, 12:22 PM
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Geez Dis - you could have built 5 boats with all that cloth - one layer would have been sufficient with all that foam behind it.

You won't have to worry about small-arms fire at least.
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Old Apr 14, 2011, 01:23 PM
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mee's guess hee's gonna remove the foam...
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Old Apr 15, 2011, 04:42 AM
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You are a master of fiberglassing.
No. Not even really talented. Just stubborn.
Thanks!
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Old Apr 15, 2011, 04:44 AM
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5 layers......at once? or dry in between?
6 layers... all at once. Wet-in-wet. Within 4 hours.
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Old Apr 15, 2011, 04:51 AM
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Geez Dis - you could have built 5 boats with all that cloth - one layer would have been sufficient with all that foam behind it.

You won't have to worry about small-arms fire at least.
The foam block is just the plug.
Iīm gonna need all that space for installations.
Waterpumpdrive and so forth.
Only two bulkheads planned,
so this main lower structure needs to be stable in itself.
Laminate thickness 2.5mm.

And once the (removeable) superstructure is built,
the plug goes to the dumpster.


I only worry about 9 mm Parabellum and bigger.
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What keeps me motivated to go on with shipbuilding?

Well - basically that kind of music:

Queen:
Queen | Ride The Wild Wind (4 min 46 sec)

Axel Rudi Pell:
Oceans of time (7 min 46 sec)

Another (favorite) one from Axel:
Forever Angel by Axel Rudi Pell (6 min 1 sec)

Hazel OīConnor:
(Love that saxophone!)
Hazel O'Connor Will You (4 min 46 sec)

Scorpions:
(that oneīs especially good when sanding a big hull! - Getīs ya goin )
bad boys running wild (4 min 5 sec)

Russell Watson:
Where My Heart Will Take Me (Faith of the Heart) (4 min 23 sec)

The Who:
THE WHO "QUADROPHENIA Love Reign O'er me" (5 min 50 sec)

Man oīWar:
Manowar - Master of the Wind (5 min 21 sec)

Enya:
This one is really dangerous - might be heading out to sea again!!!
Trimaran Emotion classe ORMA 60 pieds (4 min 10 sec)

Within Temptation:
(Gothic + opera style female voice = incredible)
Within Temptation - Mother Earth (4 min 12 sec)


Sorry if that appears too personal - just couldnīt resist.

Iīm just an emotional idiot.
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