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Old Dec 29, 2010, 03:31 AM
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Well that tonnage isn't very realistic.. maybe about 500tons is more realistic a ship of the line around 1800 was only 1650tons and the largest windjammers about 11000.
But nevertheless she will carry a lot of ballast in that beam and full hull
Looking forward to the rest of your build and your sailing reports!
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Old Dec 29, 2010, 06:14 AM
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Youīre probably right.
Iīll have to recheck this anyway!
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Sorry - my mistake!
Donīt know what I had in mind when I wrote that.

In the book it says between 240 and 250 metric tons.
Makes more sense to me as well.

This would be between 30.0 kg and 31.25 kg overall displacement for the model at 1:20.
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Anyway.
Have been lazy during christmas holydays.
But here you have the aftward sections glued onto the main cross section - to give you a first impression of the hull lines.
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Old Dec 29, 2010, 07:31 AM
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Iīm planning 1/3 of the overall ballast for internal ballast, plus 2/3 of the weight as a lead bulb on an external keel fin.
Also a removeable rudder extension is planned for better sailing abilities.
Do you think this will be apropriate?
I think you'll be just fine.
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Old Dec 29, 2010, 01:44 PM
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stem to stern above the waterline....60".....length to figurehead..72"....total length....93".......width....17"......only have present weight.....48lbs.......maybe 100lbs of lead needed......maybe a bit less
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Old Dec 30, 2010, 07:05 AM
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stem to stern above the waterline....60".....152.40 cm
length to figurehead..72".... 182.88 cm
total length....93"....... 236.22 cm
width....17"...... 43.18 cm
only have present weight.....48lbs....... 21.60 kg
maybe 100lbs of lead needed...... 45.00 kg
maybe a bit less
Thank you, Sir!
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And hereīs mine again -
converted to your system:

stem to stern above the waterline....55.12"....140.0 cm
length to figurehead....65".... 165.0 cm
total length of hull.....70"..... 177.5 cm
width of hull....15.75"...... 40.0 cm
total length of ship.....78.75"..... 200.0 cm

Overall weight maybe only 31.25 kg,
allthough of compareable size?
This would mean less than half of your ships weight!
Strange.

One more question, if I may?
Is the total length of 93" including bow sprit or not?
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Old Dec 30, 2010, 11:33 AM
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yep...including the bowsprit......i added 100lbs when the ship was mostly a shell, and my fat ass hull is pretty wide most of it's length.......bui i may need less weight now ....will measure when put in water this spring hopefully.......gotta figure out how to move the darn thing....oh....no external keel......
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Old Dec 31, 2010, 03:48 AM
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Thank you, Sir!

One thing came to my mind when we talked about a proper trailer for your "darn thing" (how much I would love to have/own it!):

One of these fully closed horsetrailers!
(May need to find a picture for you) -
There might be someone in your area who would/could lend it out to you every now and then.
This may be the only proper option for the size of your beautiful model.

And just because of the natural size of horses - not to talk of their weigth, which is much more -
these would fit for your ship just as they are.

Just my 5 cents
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Old Dec 31, 2010, 03:13 PM
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yea....i can see myself pulling one of those with my smart car
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Old Jan 01, 2011, 04:29 AM
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yea....i can see myself pulling one of those with my smart car
I think a horsefarm with such a horse trailer would also have a proper car to pull that thing.
If they would lend both out to you is just a question of asking or not. What could you loose?
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Old Jan 01, 2011, 10:46 AM
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http://www.sportutilitytrailers.com/LongChih/832T.htm
i was thinking more along this line..i could build whatever protection necessary...just furl up the sails and leave the masts exposed..who knows.......cheapest one i found......
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Old Jan 01, 2011, 03:44 PM
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Brenderup Trailers

The smallest cheapest Brenderup started at $8,000 in 2004 (I have one) and even used they ain't cheap. I'll probably use mine to move Constellation but I have a horse, so it's actually doing double duty.

The trick with trailers is that most small utility trailers have stiff or NO springs and will bounce all over, even completely off the road - can your model take that sort of pounding?
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Old Jan 01, 2011, 08:58 PM
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scrap that then thanks for the warning! ...i never thought of that.....
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Old Jan 04, 2011, 09:10 AM
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the problem with horse or stock trailers, they are ment to haul an animal that weights half a ton. The bumper pull in the picture is a 2 horse which means 1 ton and the suspension is set for that weight.
Empty they bounce all over the place, loaded they run smooth.

But an idea would be those hitch cargo racks.
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Old Jan 04, 2011, 09:52 AM
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I have one of those racks - You could easily put a box on it to fully enclose the model. You are limited to the width of the vehicle so it's not likely you could put the model in it fully set up.
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Old Jan 04, 2011, 12:32 PM
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Looks like my idea is getting out of control a bit.

But at least I know by now I gave you something to think about.

These big ship models also have "some" kind of value,
so I believe itīs worth thinking about how to protect them well during transportation.

Just thinking about a treasure like the Royal William gets damaged
makes my heart hurt.
Shock absorption foams of different kinds and thickness could also be used.
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And now back to my Pirate Galeon:

I have drawn the forward cross sections directly onto the foam
using some white cardboard - with the copied cross sections.
Starting from the main cross section -
and then simply cutting the next smaller sections -
untill I was done.

Some more pics to show the size relation between the original plan at 1:100 and my started model at 1:20. One problem is that the original plans arenīt very precise - is some areas up to one millimeter incorrect, which adds up to 5mm for my model.
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