HobbyKing.com New Products Flash Sale
Reply
Thread Tools
Old Sep 12, 2011, 09:41 AM
Registered User
DGrant's Avatar
United States, CA, Clovis
Joined Mar 2004
3,249 Posts
Very nice pic Tom. A job very well done. I'm sure she'd take flight anytime you're ready.. and that you'll know when the time is right.
DGrant is online now Find More Posts by DGrant
Reply With Quote
Sign up now
to remove ads between posts
Old Sep 12, 2011, 12:46 PM
ARFs Are Me
TomCrump's Avatar
Traverse City, Michigan
Joined Dec 2005
11,558 Posts
We're running out of flying season, up here in the North Country. My guess is that the maiden will wait until next year.
TomCrump is offline Find More Posts by TomCrump
Reply With Quote
Old Sep 12, 2011, 01:14 PM
Cognito, Ergo Imbibo
old_dan's Avatar
Morgan Hill, CA
Joined Sep 2007
310 Posts
Isn't that why they have Indian Summer???
old_dan is offline Find More Posts by old_dan
Reply With Quote
Old Sep 12, 2011, 03:11 PM
Registered User
DGrant's Avatar
United States, CA, Clovis
Joined Mar 2004
3,249 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by TomCrump View Post
We're running out of flying season, up here in the North Country. My guess is that the maiden will wait until next year.
Wow... that was quick... I think I take our Cali weather for granted sometimes, as we can usually fly year 'round, there's a few days through the winter that aren't flyable, as well as a short time through summer heat thats a tad unbareable.. We're just coming into some excellent weather.. other then a little wind that might pick-up..but that just means we'll hit-up some slope flying.

You'll know when its time to fly that beautiful plane.. until then will all continue to enjoy it... more pics..more pics..... Have a great evening...
DGrant is online now Find More Posts by DGrant
Reply With Quote
Old Sep 19, 2011, 10:43 AM
F2G-1D
BentWings2's Avatar
United States, FL, Chipley
Joined Jun 2011
31 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by EJWash1 View Post
For those thinking of bashing a SW-II into a “one-holer”.

So, the subject of “bashing” (converting) the 84” wingspan 1/4-scale Sig Spacewalker II “two-holer” (two-cockpits) to the “one-holer” (single-cockpit) Spacewalker keeps poping-up in my head. Sig does offer a single-place Spacewalker kit, but only in a 104” 1/3-scale kit. Tom Crump gives us a very pretty example of Sig’s 1/3-scale ship here in his build thread while Les Uyeda has shared photos of his 1/4-scale SW-II kit converted to a single-cockpit beauty. I, like Les and a few other modelers, prefer the lines of the one-holer Spacewalker over the two holer. Why not just tackle the 1/3-scale kit? Well, I have a 1/4-scale kit on-hand as well as an engine, scale landing gear (Robart Cub gear). Also, I like the idea of having an out-of-the-ordinary model...

The conversion issue has been bugging me for the last couple of weeks. A bout of jet-lag got me out of bed really early the other day, so I pulled out the plans for my SW-II and laid them out. What I really needed were 3-view drawings of the two planes. The Sig build manual files (http://www.sigmfg.com/BuildManuals/) contains 3-view drawings for both the full-size SW and the SW-II. Comparing the specs of the two aircraft, it appears that the designer took the SW and added an additional two-feet of wingspan and fuselage length. The single cockpit of the SW was brought forward towards the firewall (obviously to compensate for the rear cockpit) and the additional cockpit installed behind it. The SW’s 610-pound empty weight was brought up 150-pounds to the SW-II’s 760-pound empty weight, and the SW’s 65HP was brought up to 100HP for the SW-II.

I suppose that a *pure* bash from the SW-II to the SW would include removing the additional two-feet from the wings (6”) and from the fuselage (6”) to bring the model into a true 1/4-scale replication. At an 84” wingspan and a 60-1/2” length, the Sig SW-II is in fact (except an additional 1/2” in length) a 1/4-scale model of the full-size SW-II. The same can be said for the 1/3-scale SW. So it really comes down to how “scale” the bash becomes. I mean, the SW-II model is going to fly like the SW-II model regardless of it having one cockpit or two. Shortening the wingspan and fuselage length will make it a bit more “peppy”, but it is not going to be the difference between Clark Griswald’s Family Truckster station wagon (of National Lampoon’s Vacation movie fame) and a Chevy Corvette. I’d bet dollars-to-donuts that the difference performance-wise would be more like driving a two-door compared to a four-door sedan of the same model automobile.

I’m not going for hard-core scale competition, nor do I want to “reinvent the wheel” here. True enough, shortening the wingspan would only take the elimination of a wing rib bay on each wing, but shortening the fuselage by 6”, although possible, is just not worth the pay-off. I’ve adapted a credo from one of the scale builders in our club: “pick your battles.” Redesigning and building the entire aft portion of an already flight-proven design just doesn’t make sense to me. So, this bash becomes one of eliminating the rear cockpit and relocating the forward one rearward.

Tom’s SW-II build thread has great reference pics:

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=956429

As you can see in the pics in Tom’s build thread, the fuselage is a square, open-frame box-like structure with stringers on the sides and bottom providing contour lines once the covering is applied. Several half-round formers are placed across the top of the fuselage with stringers attached to them running fore and aft. The fuselage is built in two parts, front and rear. Looking down onto the top of the front of the fuselage, it is rectangular, but does slightly taper (1/2”-outward) from the firewall to the rear of the front cockpit. The rear of the fuselage tapers from where it joins the front section of the fuselage rearward to the empennage. On the full-size SW, the rear of the cockpit opening is just forward of the fuselage square-to-taper joint. On the model, the front and rear fuselage sections are joined at the F-5 former. This is the perfect spot to relocate the front cockpit.

The rear cockpit and former F-4 is eliminated and the front cockpit on the model is shifted rearward 2-1/8”. Also, all the formers between the firewall (F-1A and F-1) to former F-10 will have to be re-fabricated. This is not as difficult as it may seem. One of the pics below is of the F-5 formers. Note that the original inked outline of F-5 - it is flattened on top. New F-5 formers will be cut with a round contour. This will give the F-5 formers continuity with all the other formers, and it will also act as an anchor-point for the stringers from this former rearward. With the top stringer to act as a guide, new former templates and formers can be made. A new F-3 former will have to be fabricated, and the top stringer between it and F1A will allow a new (and relocated) F-2 former to be made.

So far, until I put some of down on the building table from the “Box-O-Lumber” that this kit is, that’s about all I can think of that needs to be done to bash the SW-II into a “one-holer”.

EJWash
I did the same thing 5 years ago, only I decided to just 1 hole it and left the rest. I did have to extend the rear turtle deck and the BIGGEST problem I faced was the cowl. I personally find the cowl on the 2 seater,butt ugly, how ever the cowl for the GP ARF is too small and the SIG 1 seater is to big. There is a cowl, avalibe from Fiberglass Masters, part # RCM-1032, at $42.00. This is for a SW that some time ago was advertised as being 1/4 scale, however in reality it's between 1/4 and 1/3 and is the right depth, however it is about 7/8 " to wide. this is the one I used and no one seemed to notice unless I had it parked beside a stock 2 seater.
If you interested I'll explain my mods and you can go from there
BentWings2 is offline Find More Posts by BentWings2
Reply With Quote
Old Sep 19, 2011, 12:19 PM
Registered User
u2builder's Avatar
USA, NH, Alstead
Joined Oct 2007
4,977 Posts
Quote:
So, this bash becomes one of eliminating the rear cockpit and relocating the forward one rearward.


Did they fly the 2 holer solo from the rear pit? If so, it was not unusual in other 2 holers to place a cover over the front pit. You could remove the windscreen and apply "a cockpit cover" and have a scale plane.

Otherwise, it might be best to mod the fuse and wings to keep it scale. Considering all the work to build a model, it doesn't seem that hard to mod the fuse. Just a thought.
u2builder is offline Find More Posts by u2builder
Reply With Quote
Old Sep 20, 2011, 09:35 AM
Registered User
LesUyeda's Avatar
San Diego, California
Joined Dec 2004
3,478 Posts
"Did they fly the 2 holer solo from the rear pit? "

That is the usual mode for any two seater; that way they do not have major trim changes when they add a passenger, because the passenger is much closer to CG (or center of balance, whichever you prefer).

Les
LesUyeda is online now Find More Posts by LesUyeda
Reply With Quote
Old Sep 20, 2011, 02:06 PM
Registered User
Australia, NSW, Coffs Harbour
Joined Apr 2004
40 Posts
Finally received my kit. Now I'm waiting for the new workshop to be ready which should be in a couple of week's time and I can start on the build!
This thread will be a fantastic resource for me
apalsson is offline Find More Posts by apalsson
Reply With Quote
Old Sep 20, 2011, 06:47 PM
Closed Account
Joined Dec 2006
4,258 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by DGrant View Post
Wow... that was quick... I think I take our Cali weather for granted sometimes, as we can usually fly year 'round, there's a few days through the winter that aren't flyable, as well as a short time through summer heat thats a tad unbareable.. We're just coming into some excellent weather.. other then a little wind that might pick-up..but that just means we'll hit-up some slope flying.

You'll know when its time to fly that beautiful plane.. until then will all continue to enjoy it... more pics..more pics..... Have a great evening...
I don't know how I could enjoy the hobby if it didn't have the two distinct seasons; Flying and building! Here in central Minnesota, the flying season is coming to an end and I look forward with anticipation to getting back down to the shop to work on something. I usually start out witha repair job. So far I don't have anything to repair. However, there still may be some flying season left.
Mode One is offline Find More Posts by Mode One
Reply With Quote
Old Sep 20, 2011, 06:53 PM
Registered User
Australia, NSW, Coffs Harbour
Joined Apr 2004
40 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mode One View Post
So far I don't have anything to repair.
Mate, that's the easiest part
apalsson is offline Find More Posts by apalsson
Reply With Quote
Old Sep 21, 2011, 06:40 AM
ARFs Are Me
TomCrump's Avatar
Traverse City, Michigan
Joined Dec 2005
11,558 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by apalsson View Post
Finally received my kit. Now I'm waiting for the new workshop to be ready which should be in a couple of week's time and I can start on the build!
This thread will be a fantastic resource for me
If you start a build thread, please post a link here, so that we can join in on the fun !
TomCrump is offline Find More Posts by TomCrump
Reply With Quote
Old Sep 21, 2011, 06:43 AM
Registered User
Crowfly's Avatar
Joined Oct 2004
1,149 Posts
Nothing to repair
I would be more than happy to come up and assist if you need more to do

I agree,when you have summer and winter it is obvious when you need to "build stuff". If I could fly all year I would never catch up. It's also an excuse not to work on the house outside or do yard work
Fred
Crowfly is offline Find More Posts by Crowfly
Reply With Quote
Old Sep 22, 2011, 12:53 PM
Registered User
Norway, Buskerud, Hol
Joined Sep 2009
21 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by TomCrump View Post
We're running out of flying season, up here in the North Country. My guess is that the maiden will wait until next year.

Do we have too wait until spring for the maiden-video..........oh noooooo.

I find calm wintersday on the ice the best time for maiden my new builds.
Best wishes for your maiden ( its easier too fly than the 1/4 SW)

Viggo
viggkri is offline Find More Posts by viggkri
Reply With Quote
Old Sep 22, 2011, 01:25 PM
Oldrndrt RCav8r
georgewaldrop's Avatar
United States, OK, Ardmore
Joined May 2009
57 Posts
One word..."Ski's"

We want vid's!
georgewaldrop is offline Find More Posts by georgewaldrop
Reply With Quote
Old Sep 22, 2011, 05:56 PM
ARFs Are Me
TomCrump's Avatar
Traverse City, Michigan
Joined Dec 2005
11,558 Posts
Sorry guys. First, skiis don't work up here. The sink right into the deep snow. Floats are a better option.

2nd: I'm not an outdoor person. Flying in Winter sounds ccccol to me.

3rd. The clouds are too low, in Winter.

4th It snows almost daily. (150 inches a year)

If it sounds like I'm making excuses, it's because I am. LOL
TomCrump is offline Find More Posts by TomCrump
Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools

Similar Threads
Category Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
For Sale Sig 1/3 Scale Spacewalker $400.00 local pick up only be69ar Aircraft - Fuel - Airplanes (FS/W) 0 Dec 21, 2008 05:14 PM
For Sale Sig 1/3-scale Spacewalker KIT for sale Bruce DeVisser Aircraft - Fuel - Airplanes (FS/W) 0 Aug 08, 2006 10:51 PM
Sold Sig 1/3-Scale Spacewalker w/G-38 ~ Just add Radio! N925WB Aircraft - Fuel - Airplanes (FS/W) 2 Apr 15, 2006 07:31 PM
For Sale 1/3 scale Sig spacewalker whov Aircraft - Fuel - Airplanes (FS/W) 1 Mar 22, 2006 04:41 PM
Sold Swap Meet Sale!!! Sig 1/3-Scale Spacewalker w/G-38 N925WB Aircraft - Fuel - Airplanes (FS/W) 2 Feb 18, 2006 03:09 PM