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Old Dec 13, 2010, 02:49 PM
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Vector Kites - wow!

Stumbled on this indoor technique, over in the Giant Electric Planes forum. Yep, you read that right, giant R/C...indoor !

Flattermann has created a couple of converted massive kites, to fly at indoor venues, via a vectoring motor technique.
The vid below, shows a 'smaller' 12 feet wingspan aircraft, his latest is a 19 feet wingspan version !!!
19' version thread is here: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1353952

RC - VECTOR KITE 6 * 360cm Delta Indoor * Vector Control * (2 min 17 sec)
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Old Dec 13, 2010, 02:57 PM
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Very cool.
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Old Dec 14, 2010, 12:56 AM
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Old Dec 14, 2010, 04:20 AM
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Wow thats something else Thank you for sharing
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Old Dec 14, 2010, 02:04 PM
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I'm thinking that smaller kite based builds are very possible. A reducing in scale of these wonders.
Though, i've no idea about the vector motor availability or even whether they are made at micro scale.
Running around on a lazy susan topped mini servo seems an idea, for either elevator or rudder...but how to link for all movements ?
Perhaps the rotating idea for elevation and a traditional rudder.
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Old Dec 14, 2010, 03:19 PM
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I'm thinking that smaller kite based builds are very possible. A reducing in scale of these wonders.
Though, i've no idea about the vector motor availability or even whether they are made at micro scale.
Running around on a lazy susan topped mini servo seems an idea, for either elevator or rudder...but how to link for all movements ?
Perhaps the rotating idea for elevation and a traditional rudder.
I'm sure you can figure this thing out via ar6400, I've spent some time trying to work out thrust vector with 7mm DD and its been... complicated to say the least. Nice video that thing is huge but turns on a dime - very nice. Sure would love to scale it down to a maybe >20" kite but mechanics would have to super light and reliable on both axis - maybe over holiday break spend more time working it out.
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Old Dec 14, 2010, 03:49 PM
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I could land a UM on this thing WHILE it's flying around!
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Old Dec 14, 2010, 04:14 PM
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LMAO, true enough RG, true enough.

I have no idea about AR6400 functions, but can see that a decent radio would be needed for mixings and cut offs. In essence, it's a vectored motor that could be tailored...left and right don't need to see 180 degree rotations, elevator doesn't need 180 either.
Whatever ranges of motion normally work, incorporated in a single unit (which also means that wires don't get snapped!).

Really, a servo can pull the same as a rudder, but pushing/pulling the motor mount instead. Same for elevator. If the motor sat on a ball joint, the normal 2 mini servo's would do it ?
Control rods would probably have to be the multi-strand in a tube type, for the flexibility needed.
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Old Dec 14, 2010, 06:21 PM
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I like the Vector Kites, Slider. Does anyone have a plan? I want to try smaller and indoor duration FF. Twenty inch spar might be close and a geared 6-mm pager or smaller with a 10-mAh cell.

Perhaps The Don's Gronk is close to the same.

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Old Dec 14, 2010, 06:26 PM
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Old Dec 14, 2010, 11:18 PM
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Yeah, the sort of thing you describe Fred is what I was thinking..not that there's anything wrong with 19 foot huge unbelievably well flying versions

As to a plan, well I do know that Dollar Tree here has kites of about 20", 2 for $1 lol. Well, ya never know. Got a couple recently and was thinking of reusing the spars, but they're pine or some other heavy wood.
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Old Dec 15, 2010, 03:27 AM
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lol

when was that last time you saw something witha wing span like this hit/ bounce off trees , and keep flying arround in them ?
crazy .

RC - VECTOR KITE 7 * 360cm Delta * Slowflyer Extreme * Vector Control * (3 min 20 sec)
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Old Dec 15, 2010, 05:28 AM
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FWIW, Horizon Hobby sells the line of Pyramid vectored RC kites. I've tried to get Pyramid to sell just the vector unit, but they don't seem interested. They want to sell their power system which is moveable between the kites.

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Old Dec 15, 2010, 04:01 PM
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Hi Slider,

Check my blog for July 9, 2009

I show a mini tilt & pan for a video camera there. You can make exactly the same thing to aim a motor.

The device is mounted on the pan servo and carries the tilt servo. The cam (or motor!) is mounted on the tilt servo. Basically it's just an L shaped bracket on a servo, with a servo mounted on it. There are other designs shown on the FPV forum, though you will have to dig them out yourself.

You could use a Vapor brick by unsoldering the rudder servo and mounting a Spektrum micro servo on the pivoting bracket driven by the elevator servo.

I'd rather get the smallest hitec digital servo and program the pan servo for 180 degrees. A little heavier, but still very small, but also probably able to deal with the gyro forces of a spinning prop.

Pete

A little heavier, but
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Old Dec 15, 2010, 04:14 PM
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Certainly ideas for the future...these seem like superb summer madness fun. I'll check out that blog entry, cheers

Prime, around 1:30 had me laughing. It's the whole slow speed grace of these, the way that a complete failure somewhere would give enough time to make a cup of coffee before it landed.
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