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Old Dec 08, 2010, 09:22 AM
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Need an indoor heli for winter, large basement, stable, no 3d.

Looking for some advice here from the micro experts. I am used to flying full sized 600 helis outside. I want something for indoors that will be as stable as possible, just to continue training my orientation, etc. I don't need to do flips, but I do want something with full cyclic and rudder control. I want something large enough to be stable, but small enough to fly inside to make circles, etc.

What do you suggest? FP? CP? Coax? And which models should I be researching?

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Old Dec 08, 2010, 10:15 AM
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Best choice for indoor is a sim

If you are not planning on doing 3D, how about a 250? If you want something a bit smaller, the best bet would be a Walkera 4#6 (FP), 4G6 (CP), V120D01 (Flybarless FP) or V120D02 (Flybarless CP).
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Old Dec 08, 2010, 10:22 AM
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Best choice for indoor is a sim

If you are not planning on doing 3D, how about a 250? If you want something a bit smaller, the best bet would be a Walkera 4#6 (FP), 4G6 (CP), V120D01 (Flybarless FP) or V120D02 (Flybarless CP).
For the V120D01, does flybarless mean there is a 2 axis gyro that simulates a flybar, or that there just is no flybar?
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Old Dec 08, 2010, 10:39 AM
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I would suggest to try to find a Hirobo Quark (currently unavailable in the fixec pitch version from any US seller but rarely offered on the classified forum), it's the most responsive FP available, while being stable and with possibilities to customize the flight characteristics. It's safe too because the blades are made of styrofoam. See the specific forum for a ton of information on this heli or for any question you may have. It's a heli that for most owners remains very enjoyable even as the skills progress. I have two

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showt...72368&page=532
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Old Dec 08, 2010, 11:10 AM
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For the V120D01, does flybarless mean there is a 2 axis gyro that simulates a flybar, or that there just is no flybar?
It has a 3 axis gyro... it is true real flybarless.
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Old Dec 08, 2010, 11:28 AM
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Ive said it before and I will say it again. You cannot go wrong with the walkera v100d01. Since you do already have collective pitch experience, going with a co-axial just seems to be a large step back, it would be much too easy for you.

And based on what you are looking for, the v100d01 seems your best option. Its very very small in size, super stable and controllable, the tail holds like a champ, etc.

So if you want a indoor FP micro, go with the walkera v100d01. If you want a CP micro, go with the v120d02. the v120d02 is a bit bigger, but still flyable indoors in larger rooms.
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Old Dec 08, 2010, 02:01 PM
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All the above mentioned Walkera micros will be a good choice for indoor flying.
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Old Dec 08, 2010, 02:30 PM
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Can someone compare and contrast the V120D01 and V120D02?

Can I assume the V120D01 has a lowerhead speed, thus is less twitchy?

Also, can you program the flybarless electronics for different amounts of stablity?
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Old Dec 08, 2010, 02:44 PM
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I am kind of a newbie, and own the V120D01.

Yes, a nice feature of the 3D Gyros is that they can be "dialed" in to the amount of stability desired. I find that at one extreme setting, the heli prefers to maintain direction (meaning more difficult to change course - if hovering, more difficult to get out of hovering, if going one direction, more difficult to rapidly change direction). At the other extreme the heli is twitchy and is extremely (too) easy to go which ever direction. As my skill levels improve, I tend to tweak the gyro to a lower setting, because I like having instantaneous response, and having ability of pull out of a "tight" situation.

I also own the 4#6S, which I think is basically a flybar-ed V120D01. Of the two, I enjoy the V120D01 more because the V120D01 response quicker to stick movements, and by not having a flybar it is much easier to troubleshoot and set up. Compared to the 4#6S, the V120D01 both physically and emotionally feels as if a "load has been taken off".
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Old Dec 08, 2010, 02:56 PM
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Can someone compare and contrast the V120D01 and V120D02?

Can I assume the V120D01 has a lowerhead speed, thus is less twitchy?

Also, can you program the flybarless electronics for different amounts of stablity?
V120D01 = Fixed Pitch/Slower head speed
V120D02 = Collective Pitch/High head speed

However, using the programmable TX provided in most RTF packages, you can tame the controls of the V120D02 to make it react more like the V120D01.
That is why I bought the V120D02 a few days ago. It should be here tomorrow.

Although If you dont plan on ever going 3d, the V120D01 is about 100 bucks less, i believe.
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Old Dec 08, 2010, 03:19 PM
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Ooh!

I'm interested in getting a comparison review from you.

I'm getting close to the "end of the road" with the FP's, and have been eyeing the CP's. I've been reading posts for a little over a year now, and it seems most people don't fly the CP's indoors (not even the micro ones), and most people say the smaller the more difficult to fly and set up. But I enjoy flying indoors (at least being able to practice basic skills indoors anytime I feel like, on a whim, in the middle of the night, in my PJ's if desired).

Since I don't own a V120D02, I don't read that thread religiously. But I'd like to read your review, so when you get the V120D02, could you send me a PM, so I can keep up with your review? Please.
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Old Dec 08, 2010, 03:32 PM
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(at least being able to practice basic skills indoors anytime I feel like, on a whim, in the middle of the night, in my PJ's if desired)
That is the exact reason I bought my first indoor heli (v100d01)!

Sure, i'll PM ya when I get it tested. However, I dont own the V120D01, so i'm not going to be able to provide you with an accurate "comparison" per say. But I will share the differences between the v100d01(FP) and the v120d02.

I'd assume that the v100d01 and the v120d01 are pretty similar as far as flight characteristics.
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Old Dec 08, 2010, 06:36 PM
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I've got the V100D01 on my shopping list (last FP that I'm going to purchase?).

I've read many posts, and have confirmed that the larger the heli is the more stable it is. I've read and am expecting the V100D01 to be more difficult than the V120D01 in terms of stability, but that is OK, cause I've got a "grip" on the V120D01 now, and am ready for more of a challenge. I expect once/if I get good at flying the V100D01, it may end up being my most favorite living room flyer because of size, ease of troubleshooting, repair, and setup.

Now that I know you don't own the V120D01, I understand you won't be able to make that comparison, but I'd still like to know if you think you can "handle" the V120D02 in a living room.

Actually your review, kind of doesn't matter, because I'm at the point, where there aren't going to be that many more new thrills I will be able to experience with the FP's anymore. It looks like, my FP experience is becoming an introductory "gateway" into "hardcore" CP. I've decided to chase it, even if it means I have to take it outdoors.

Oh my! I think I'm hooked. What have I gotten myself into? I hope this stuff stays legal.
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Old Dec 08, 2010, 08:23 PM
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the v100 is pretty mild mannered. you have to really crank some dials to make it twitchy.
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Old Dec 08, 2010, 08:27 PM
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The only issue with the v100 verses the v120 is the tail motor on the v100. The v120 has a variable pitch tail driven from the main motor so will likely behave more like the tail of a larger heli. The downside to this is it eats tail gears and the tail servo wears out quite quickly due to crummy quality pots inside.
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