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Old Dec 07, 2010, 04:54 AM
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FAA vs Model Aviation (Should We Be Concerned?)

I've been seeing a number of posts in different RC forums that pretty much say the same thing.

Edit to add relative links (I'm sure I missed a few but will add them later) Perhaps I also need to spell out the abbreviations also (there are a number of them)

1. FAA/ARC FAQs
http://www.modelaircraft.org/files/FAAARCFAQs8.pdf


1a. Interpretation of the Special Rule for Model Aircraft
http://www.regulations.gov/#!documen...2014-0396-0001

1b. FAA Comment Page
http://www.regulations.gov/#!submitC...2014-0396-0001

1c. Official RCGroups Response to the Recent FAA Memo
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2208556

1d. RCAPA Rebuttal to the FAA
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2202659

1e. Press Release from FAA; 23 June 14
http://www.faa.gov/news/press_releas...6474&cid=TW223


2. Similar discussion thread on FG
http://www.flyinggiants.com/forums/s...20#post1334563

3. Update on FAA (from AMA website)
http://www.modelaircraft.org/aboutama/articles.aspx

4. Fact sheet on UAS (from FAA)
http://www.faa.gov/about/initiatives...FACT_Sheet.pdf

5. sUAS Recommendations ARC (from the AMA website)
http://www.modelaircraft.org/faa/recommendations.pdf/

6. sUAS NPRM Info (From Rich Hanson)
http://www.modelaircraft.org/forums/tm.aspx?m=10959

7. FAA AC 91-57 Advisory Circular
http://rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Gu...t&Highlight=91

8. Government Regulations (from the AMA website)
http://www.modelaircraft.org/aboutama/gov.aspx

9. Goverment Regulations Search Engine
http://www.regulations.gov/#!home

10. Recently Published Rulemaking Documents from the FAA
http://www.faa.gov/regulations_polic...shed/index.cfm

11. Podcast on ANN with Rich Hanson

http://www.aero-news.net/podcasts/ca...2011-02-15.mp3
http://www.aero-news.net/podcasts/ca...2011-02-16.mp3

12. Link on how to contact your Representatives about the upcoming FAA regulations.
http://amagov.modelaircraft.org/4077

13. AMA Webinars

Part 1

Model Aircraft Pending Regulation Webinar Feb 15, 2011 PART ONE (15 min 31 sec)


Part 2

Model Aircraft Pending Regulation Webinar Feb 15, 2011 PART TWO (19 min 2 sec)


Part 3

Model Aircraft Pending Regulation Webinar Feb 15, 2011 PART THREE (41 min 42 sec)


Latest Video

AMA's Rich Hanson Explains FAA Model Aircraft Rule (3 min 47 sec)
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Old Dec 07, 2010, 05:07 AM
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Sure would be nice to hear something official from the AMA about this.

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Old Dec 07, 2010, 05:26 AM
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Sure would be nice to hear something official from the AMA about this.

-Jay
Jay,

The AMA is doing a good job of keeping us all informed. They have provided us with all they can say/know about this. The problem is that the FAA has kept this issue pretty tight to their chests and not letting much info out to the AMA or the general modeling community. That could simply be their procedures/process. I don't know. But I do think this will have an impact on RC as we know it if this holds true. I have also heard they will be limiting FPV as well.

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Old Dec 07, 2010, 05:56 AM
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"People" are able to glean "facts" from somewhere. I've seen the same messages posted on forums that you have. I dunno, I don't see the AMA saying much of anything about this.

Can you point me to some articles?

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Old Dec 07, 2010, 05:57 AM
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If the AMA was doing a good job keeping us informed they would have spent a bit of the money i send them every year and let us all know of the proposed changes and the best way to lobby against those changes, But instead they choose to not inform us publicly,

Besides it has been said a few times now that the AMA has little or no clout on this matter.. So i begin to wonder if our AMA elected officials are as worried about our flying as they are about there own interests

In my opinion one more reason to not support them.. I pay to play and only because i can not fly events with out the AMA card.. sort of smells like extortion to me..
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Old Dec 07, 2010, 06:02 AM
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I don't think it will be your AMA that looses any battle with the FAA, but the idiot few modelers who don't care about rules, regulations, and common sense. Especially when it comes to FPV, (and UAV), flying, as already reported in some threads.

I feel it's only going to take a few more 'incidents' that get national publicity, and the government and FAA will have to bring in stricter regulations.

Shame, but it's likely to be fellow modelers who will destroy parts of the hobby.

Just my view.
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Old Dec 07, 2010, 06:03 AM
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I like the "license " part.
Wonder who's pocket that money winds up in .
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Old Dec 07, 2010, 06:40 AM
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Come on Framk. Of all the posts on the other forums and the columns in MA and the AMA's position paper you chose to quote the one post that is absolute speculation. (I know you're aware of them since you posted links on Wattflyer)

Talk about Fear mongering.

The AMA had a representative on the committee and our DC lobbyist working on the problem. This has been discussed on the AMA site and in Model Aviation.

The FAA is being driven by Homeland Security and the proliferation of small commercial UAVs. Unfortunately our hobby got caught up in the mess. The original proposal was to exempt models being flown under the rules of a national organization. The FAA has not yet released the proposal for comment and is not expected to do so until Jun 2011. How much influence we as modelers will have then remains to be seen.
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Old Dec 07, 2010, 07:00 AM
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Do the manufacturers have any sort of lobby organization? I wonder what their thoughts are on this? Or is everyone expecting the AMA to take point on this? Seems like Horizon and Hobbico should be leading the charge.

I have read MA and the website. I saw the original rules. I saw the purposed changes. And I see the AMA saying they have "concerns" and that the FAA is taking an aggressive stance... but not much else. That really doesn't tell me anything about what's happening. It's nice that the AMA is meeting with the FAA, but without any real details I can't form much of an opinion.

In the end, there's nothing I can do at this point, so I'll keep flying and hoping for the best. When the time comes I hope we can get around at least some of these rules.

I whole heartedly agree that a few idiots are going to ruin it for us.

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Old Dec 07, 2010, 07:11 AM
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Holy CRAP. How is this news all of a sudden? It's been covered in Model Aviation for some time now...
Dec. '10 President's Perspective
Nov. '10 Presidents Perspective
June '10
April '10
And those are just the issues I have handy. I seem to remember coverage of this issue going back at least a year.
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Old Dec 07, 2010, 07:14 AM
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A previous poster made a ludicrous statement. I called him out on it in a slightly smart-aleck way. I was awarded a warning point (my 1st in 10 years) so i'll rephrase my response:

Everyone should read the damn magazine that the AMA sends you.

Thank you,
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Old Dec 07, 2010, 08:41 AM
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I noticded that Joyce Hagar is again the acting Executive Director of the AMA. Does anyone know what happened to the Executive Director that was there for the last year or so? An organization without a leader often has trouble in difficult times.
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Old Dec 07, 2010, 08:50 AM
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Good lord, why don't we all just email the head of the UAPO and ask him?

Fill up his inbox/voicemail with enough emails/calls and he'll answer one of 'em.

http://directory.faa.gov/appspub/Nat...ADIR.nsf/?Open

http://directory.faa.gov/appspub/Nat...AFS-407&ZV=I11

(I'm sure all here can figure out what email addresses to use)

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I like the "license " part.
Wonder who's pocket that money winds up in .
What do you wanna bet that the licence thing is being misreported - and that the licence will actually apply to those UAS's over 55 pounds that the FAA wants to separate us from ?


Rumors are like Butts , we ALL got em , and they ALL stink !!!!!!!


I wouldnt be surprized about any of the other stuff though - Im sure they'd like to keep us at 400 feet and under , with no Turbines , and at relativly low speed (under 100 mph)
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