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Old Jan 28, 2013, 04:09 PM
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You should post a pic of your bubble mod to accommodate the wires past the spinning outrunner can B12. It is going to be impossibly tight otherwise?
The originator of this thread Graham 65 used a very similar motor (just a bit shorter but same diameter ,35mm) in his build. Take a look at post 1 and post 17 there are pics there to demonstrate, hope that helps.
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Old Jan 28, 2013, 04:11 PM
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You should post a pic of your bubble mod to accommodate the wires past the spinning outrunner can B12. It is going to be impossibly tight otherwise?
Yep, that's why I hate using outrunners in these applications.
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Old Jan 28, 2013, 05:18 PM
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It's only 2mm

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The originator of this thread Graham 65 used a very similar motor (just a bit shorter but same diameter ,35mm) in his build. Take a look at post 1 and post 17 there are pics there to demonstrate, hope that helps.
Let's be clear guys. The Turnigy 3648/850kv referenced by B12 is a 37mm can. Graham's motor is a 35mm can. I know... it's only 2mm but it's a deal breaker.

When you all stuff these outrunners in the Orion please post pictures of your magic so we can all learn something.

Thanks...
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Old Jan 28, 2013, 06:28 PM
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my Orion has a 1110/1y/6.7 it will be flying on 4s.

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On 4S it will be "FAST" "BEN". Keep us posted and I will compare to my buddy's same motor/GB on 3S.
A 15 x 13 prop on that motor pulls about 107A, which is about as hard as I would want to push that little 1110 motor.
I don't think a 17" prop is realistic.

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Old Jan 28, 2013, 06:29 PM
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Definately agree rofly. I found b12s mod, which is a great solution for an outrunner issue, but I am not prepared to do it. Not for my $300 launchmodel, so I couldn't see myself doing it to the $700 orion. Reckon it deserves something better.
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Old Jan 28, 2013, 07:12 PM
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my Orion has a 1110/1y/6.7 it will be flying on 4s.



A 15 x 13 prop on that motor pulls about 107A, which is about as hard as I would want to push that little 1110 motor.
I don't think a 17" prop is realistic.

Lenny
Wecome back Lenny. The reference to a 17" prop came from Ben's Post #411 running a geared Scorpion 2221/10. I don't think he has suggested a prop for the 1110. Perhaps you could offer some options.

Dick
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Old Jan 28, 2013, 07:39 PM
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Wecome back Lenny. The reference to a 17" prop came from Ben's Post #411 running a geared Scorpion 2221/10. I don't think he has suggested a prop for the 1110. Perhaps you could offer some options.

Dick
I would definitely be interested in some prop suggestions on 4S with the 1110
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Old Jan 28, 2013, 10:52 PM
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Wecome back Lenny. The reference to a 17" prop came from Ben's Post #411 running a geared Scorpion 2221/10. I don't think he has suggested a prop for the 1110. Perhaps you could offer some options.

Dick
Thanks Dick.
I mentioned the 15 x 13, as I've installed those on a couple of builds I did for somebody. I haven't flown it myself, just test ran the setup before shipping the model off.

A 15 x 10 would be a bit more conservative prop that would bring the current down a little.

Just my .02,
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Old Jan 29, 2013, 12:28 AM
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Wecome back Lenny. The reference to a 17" prop came from Ben's Post #411 running a geared Scorpion 2221/10. I don't think he has suggested a prop for the 1110. Perhaps you could offer some options.

Dick
thanks for clarifying this.
lenny is the man when comes to motor prop combo and i have and will ask for his advice all the time.

i will be using 16x10s on this plane with 1110. on 4s.
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Old Jan 29, 2013, 02:14 AM
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Definately agree rofly. I found b12s mod, which is a great solution for an outrunner issue, but I am not prepared to do it. Not for my $300 launchmodel, so I couldn't see myself doing it to the $700 orion. Reckon it deserves something better.
That is the mock up stage. The bubble is held on with a piece of tape just for demonstration. As well as the battery hatch is under construction on the photo. It was laminated and painted later. Looks pretty classy actually. IMHO it is the easiest way to accommodate a powerful outrunner in these slender noses. Better option is the geared inrunner but with 10X the price.

Orion was/is one of the options for my future plane someday. The airframe is about 470 here. Coupled with geared NEU, Castle or kontronik esc, high quality servos etc we are talking about 1500+ combo which is too much for such a basic non-competition hobby grade plane. With turnigy gear (motor, esc, servos) we would be at the 600 bracket which suits me much better for a hobby toy. Only loss is the skyrocketing performance or not depending on the gear. That is if you pull kilowatts from the motor. Turnigy easily runs 600-700W with 10s climbs.
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Old Jan 29, 2013, 02:41 AM
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Hyperion GS 22....... series motor fits easy like gearbox in-runner ($100 )don't get to cheep and nasty on the motor .
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Old Jan 29, 2013, 04:14 AM
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Hyperion GS 22.......
Very small motor with too high kv. Small prop with not enough thrust for the plane orion size.

GS30xx are 37.5 or 38.5mm in diameter.
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Old Jan 29, 2013, 05:05 AM
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Very small motor with too high kv. Small prop with not enough thrust for the plane orion size.

GS30xx are 37.5 or 38.5mm in diameter.
Yep 37 at the back end and about 10mm less at the front so no problem with the fit me thinks at the moment the 3014-10 1290kv weighs in at 134g/4.72 oz. ecalc says 2767 g thrust on a 12x6 cam equates to a 1.85 to 1 thrust ratio and all for 67.50. can't be bad. I am completely with you on the price thing.
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Old Jan 29, 2013, 07:18 AM
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Hyperion GS 22....... series motor fits easy like gearbox in-runner ($100 )don't get to cheep and nasty on the motor .
i use that motor in my mini ellipse a 1.5m glider with 10x8 on 3s and it's a hoot fast unlimited vertical but i don't see it in Orion.
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Old Jan 29, 2013, 07:30 AM
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if you dig you will see that small 2221/18-8 can swing 19xxxx prop producing over 2900+g of thrust with this gearbox.


http://www.reisenauer.de/artikelauswahl.php5?kid=81
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