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Old Nov 13, 2010, 12:51 PM
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Teaching Camille how to Fly FPV.

FAM-1

Our daughter is 7. I am teaching her to fly FPV. I intend to document her progress here. By the end of her training, she should be able to control the airplane through out the entire flight of at least 5 minutes and land without any physical or verbal assistance.

Here's video of her brother who "solo'd" after 7 flights when he was 7, almost 4 years ago now:
Tom's Solo (2 min 51 sec)


Hopefully it helps someone.

Here's the plane. It has a FMA Co-Pilot (Classic CPD-4):
Super Simple FPV Easystar (2 min 27 sec)


Standard:
Accept and execute instructions to turn the plane left and right..."a little"..."a lot"...

Pre-flight

I let her old the transmitter. I showed her the controls. For this flight, she was to manipulate only the rudder. I showed her how much to displace the sticks..."A little" is about 1/3 stick deflection. "A lot" is about 2/3 deflection. "A lot, lot" is FULL deflection. "Let Go" or "Center" means center stick.
I fit the goggles on her. Sat her down. Handed her the controls to ensure that she felt familiar with them.

Then I gave her those commands "Right a little"...watched her little fingers deflect the controls..."Left a little"..."Lot Left"..."Center"...I drilled her for a few minutes until I knew she would deflect the sticks appropriately given verbal instruction...I kept emphasizing that for now, she would only turn the plane and nothing else. Assured that she would reasonably do so, we were ready to fly.


Flight


I did the pre-flight checks including setting the Co-pilot. When she said she was ready, I took the controls and chucked the plane into the sky, trimmed it out, up high. I asked her if she had good video. She looked around a bit then asked for the controls. I set the RC Tx down on her lap, where she had it earlier. He manipulated only the rudder. As drilled, she deflected the sticks as appropriate. I "drove" her around the pattern for about 10 minutes. She did pretty well. All I wanted to see is that she would not over-control the plane. At the end of those 10 minutes, I could trust her enough to follow instructions that I was just standing behind her. As predicted, she got tired quickly and asked for me to take controls. I took the controls. She gave the goggles to her brother. I handed him the controls...then he flew out the rest of the battery.

Post Flight

We wend over the voice command while she held the controls once more before we left. Once we arrived home, I showed her the video. I pointed out landmarks around us.

Next Flight


For the next flight, her goal is to be able to accept "go-to" commands. Instead of responding to turn instructions...she should be able to accept "fly to Sea World"...or "Fly towards the water" or "Fly towards the mountains"...and the all important "FLY BACK TOWARDS THE FIELD".

She had a blast. It will be good to have two "co-pilots"
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Old Nov 13, 2010, 01:57 PM
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Nice! Love what you are doing with the kids!

Wish I had had a parent like you when I was younger.
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Old Nov 13, 2010, 05:06 PM
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Very cool!

Do you have an OSD in the plane?

Just curious if you have an "arrow" to follow home.
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Old Nov 13, 2010, 09:36 PM
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Great Work!

I look forward to following along with you teaching your daughter to fly FPV, just like you taught your son...

Are you sure that was almost 4 years ago? Seems like yesterday.

Keep up the great work!

Kevin
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Old Nov 14, 2010, 04:48 AM
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I don't know about your kids, but I have learnt a lot from you and your FPV projects.
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Old Nov 15, 2010, 08:35 PM
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Very cool!

Do you have an OSD in the plane?

Just curious if you have an "arrow" to follow home.
No arrow home. I teach visual navigation.


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Nice! Love what you are doing with the kids!

Wish I had had a parent like you when I was younger.
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Very cool!

Do you have an OSD in the plane?

Just curious if you have an "arrow" to follow home.
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Great Work!

I look forward to following along with you teaching your daughter to fly FPV, just like you taught your son...

Are you sure that was almost 4 years ago? Seems like yesterday.

Keep up the great work!

Kevin
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I don't know about your kids, but I have learnt a lot from you and your FPV projects.
Thanks. I think teaching is a huge part of this hobby...Hopefully it helps folks out...
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Old Nov 15, 2010, 08:54 PM
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FAM 2 Basic NAV

On her previous flight she learned basic control of the aircraft.

On this flight, she learned basic navigation.

Standard- Be able to "go places" as directed...a step up to just responding to turn commands.

Pre-Flight- I drilled her on turning "left/right, "a little/a lot" just to make sure she did not forget. As well, she was told not to manipulate anything else. On this flight, I would "show her around", once airborne. I would ask her to "drive the plane" towards the checkpoints.


Flight- I did the pre-flight checks including setting the Co-pilot. When she said she was ready, I took the controls and chucked the plane into the sky, trimmed it out, up high. I asked her if she had good video. She looked around a bit then asked for the controls. I set the RC Tx down on her lap, where she had it earlier. He manipulated only the rudder. As drilled, she deflected the sticks as appropriate. I "drove her around" a bit with turn commands, while I looked at my MPVR on the base station to see what she was seeing. I pointed out four major landmarks each signifying N, S, E, & W. Once she recognized those landmarks, I then gave her "fly to the city"...Then she would decide on her own which direction to turn. I wanted to see if she actually recognized things on the ground from the sky. First I would give her instructions from one landmark to the adjacent landmark...Later in the flight, I would give her commands randomly...which she remarkably was able to execute without error. Unfortunately, we hadn't tightened up the goggle straps. Her "co-pilot" brother Thomas helped quite a bit. She flew for about 10 minutes. She said she was tired. I took the RC Tx. Flew visually. She transferred the goggles to my son's friend...I handed him the controls...He got about 10 minutes of instruction...then swapped off to Tom who flew a bit then landed.

In this video, you see the "training set-up" She has the goggles. I have the Base station where I monitor what she sees. Thomas acts as the alternate spotter...very important when I transitioning between "outside" and "inside" scan. The RC Tx is within reach. Of course the airplane is more than a couple of mistakes high...

Teaching Camille How to Fly FPV with an Easystar. (0 min 33 sec)


Another good day.

Post-Flight- Once we got home, I showed her the video. She called out the land marks. She was tired.

Next Flight- I'm introducing her to changing altitude. I will teach her to do so via the throttle. Depending on how she does, I may get her to recover from "unusual attitudes". As well, we will review basic Control and NAV that she learned during her FAM 1 & 2.
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Old Nov 15, 2010, 10:25 PM
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On this flight, she learned basic navigation.
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...As well, we will review basic Control and NAV that she learned during her FAM 1 & 2.
JBB, Excellent work!

I assume "NAV" means navigation?

But I have no idea re: "FAM" ... What is "FAM"?

BTW, Nice Shirt!

It's really great to see Thomas also helping Camille... great teamwork.

Thanks,

Kevin
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Old Nov 15, 2010, 10:29 PM
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JBB, Excellent work!

I assume "NAV" means navigation?

But I have no idea re: "FAM" ... What is "FAM"?

BTW, Nice Shirt!

It's really great to see Thomas also helping Camille... great teamwork.

Thanks,

Kevin
Kevin,

Thanks! We try to get the entire family into it...MrsSqrl is the videographer, I might add...She has flown a few times but has taken a "sabatical" after we landed the plane into the North Sea two years ago...lols...

Indeed...NAV = Navigation.

FAM...Familiarization Flights...emphasizing stick and rudder skills...

I'll tell MrsSqrl, you liked the shirt...She makes & sells them...I get the "betas"....lols...it's another "science project"...lols.
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Old Nov 15, 2010, 11:15 PM
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Absolutely fabulous. Thanks for sharing and caring.
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Old Nov 16, 2010, 01:27 AM
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Awesome.... Im teaching my son FPV also. He already knows how to fly and is a little older but I enjoy every minute of it. It also helps me justify spending on FPV with the wife....
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Old Nov 16, 2010, 12:25 PM
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My daughter is only 3 months only, but she has been getting her daily sim practice since she could hold her head up at 3 weeks

I can't wait to get to where you are... I only hope she shows some interest! I've got a GWS cub kit waiting for her when she is ready, and I'm going to hack a tiny Parkzone RTF radio into a mini buddy box for her
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Old Nov 16, 2010, 01:11 PM
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Thats really good to see, and what procedures your going through to ease her into it at her own pace. Nice one
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Old Nov 16, 2010, 07:21 PM
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You have very smart kids. Lucky to have a dad who teaches them cool things.
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Old Nov 16, 2010, 09:26 PM
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I had a great childhood, but nobody taught me how to fly. I had to learn that on my own.

My father did help me with my first airplane but he insisted that I build the second all by myself. I did and never got tired of it. Twenty years later I was pretty good at it. BTW that first plane was sixty-eight years ago!

I wish I was a kid again, but I'm afraid I'd turn out exactly like I did the last time! I had a hard time listening to anyone.

Best if luck with all the lessons and keep telling us about them. I hope you can get your wife off her sabbatical. Now that your son is older does he still fly? and if so, On his own?

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