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Old Sep 08, 2010, 02:52 PM
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Should I go with a Vampire F3B, Extreme F3B, or any other suggestions?

Hi, I am in the market for a new glider with an F3B spec (not compulsory, could be F3F, or even the more expensive F3J) that has great performance, and something that will last a good three or four years. I like to buy one very expensive, quality model and make it last for years to come, rather than buy cheaper ones more often.
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As I understand, the Extreme is a very versatile model, basing my info on speaking to other people. However, the guy I was speaking with said that the new Vampire has shown to have better performance, better in low lift, and a better all-rounder. Is this true? It is a lot of money to spend on something, then realising you've made a bad decision. What do you think?
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I am also happy to choose another model with an F3X specification. I don't really have a figure on price, so don't be constrained by that. The only constraints I have really is that it is available in the UK. Please suggest sellers as well, as they seem rather limited. If you want to suggest any other models that I may like, post them as well, even if they don't have an F3X spec.
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Thanks.
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Thanks.
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Old Sep 08, 2010, 03:05 PM
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No one can give you a good recommendation without a better description of what you want to do with the plane. F3J planes suck at going fast, but will out float everything else. Thye also suck at Acro...B planes are by definition an all arounder, and F specific planes are usually very similar to B planes but may have a slightly higher wing loading and tougher but less stiff/light layup. These are all gross generalizations. I recommend that people decide what the primary purpose of the model will be and get the best there is in that category.

anyway, the Vampire is a very nice B model.
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Old Sep 08, 2010, 03:24 PM
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As you can probably gather from my previous post, I am not the sharpest in knowing about F3X models. The Vampire F3B is said to cost 1150, is that a good price? Or am I being ripped off?

I understand that F3F have a stiffer frame in certain areas, but perform worse (so I am told) in some areas. Keep the suggestions coming please, and thanks.
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Old Sep 08, 2010, 03:30 PM
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Where are you going to fly it?

1. Winch launched at a flat field?

2. Sloped at a slope with high winds, and high lift?

3. Sloped at a slope with light lift and some thermals?

R,
Target

PS. BTW, here in the USA, no one that I know of is flying an Extreme for F3B; the sister plane, the Tanga for F3B, yes, but the Extreme seems to have a nitch in F3F. Additionally, it's sort of heavy for the span of the plane, if I recall correctly, indicating a lean towards F3F not F3B.
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Old Sep 08, 2010, 03:45 PM
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For sellers in the UK, your best bets are Sloperacer, and T9 Hobbysport. Both are well-known and have good reputations.

Unless you are actually going to compete, almost any current F3b/f model from a reputable seller (together with it's ballast capability) is going to give you as much performance and versatility as you need. Buy the one you like the looks of, there aren't any dogs out there.
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Old Sep 08, 2010, 04:56 PM
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Martinet from T9?
Or you could wait a couple of months (hopefully no more) for the Needle 124
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Old Sep 08, 2010, 05:55 PM
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From a price point, the Viking 2 is very hard to beat. I don't own one, nor have I seen one, but the build quality is there and the design too... and I would say DP knows about airfoils!
http://www.f3x.cz/viking2.html

On the german forum there's a thread about it:
http://translate.google.es/translate...p%3Ft%3D195554

If it doesn't work, here's the original:
http://www.rc-network.de/forum/showthread.php?t=195554

And there's a thread open for it's electric version on rcgroups:
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1186001
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Old Sep 08, 2010, 06:35 PM
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The current generation of top F3B models seem to have very similar performance. If you want to compete then you can't go wrong with any of them. They will generally be priced around 1500 Euros, give or take a couple hundred depending on the options you choose. Encumbants are:

- Freestyler 3
- Radical Pro
- Shooter
- Target
- Cyril

New kids on the block are:

- Vampire
- Crossfire 2
- Ecstacy and I am sure there are more

The newer models are priced a little bit lower, since they have not been flown at the WC and are generally built in eastern european countries (except the XF2). If you want all around performance, you really can't go wrong with some slightly older F3B models. They are not quite as fast as the current top models, but they all perform very well. Again they will be priced even lower and you can probably find quite a deal:

- Estrella or Estrella DP
- Europhia 2V <built by Weberschock Models, others may not have the same build quality as the original>
- Ceres or Ceres Lift
- Evolution
- X-21
- WarpT or WarpV
- Supersonic (all variants)
- Crossfire
- Schocker (if you can find one)

None of the models mentioned have any real bad habits. They are all balanced models that fly speed, distance and duration extremely well.
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Old Sep 08, 2010, 06:48 PM
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Thank you for all your help, I have read all the suggestions, etc... and I suppose that any model will be great, such as the Vampire. Thanks for pointing this out. If have more suggestions to more UK resellers, or more models, just keep posting! Thanks.
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Old Sep 08, 2010, 06:57 PM
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(...)are generally built in eastern european countries (except the XF2). (...)
Ain't the crossfire2 made in Czech republic?
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Old Sep 08, 2010, 08:53 PM
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I thought the XF2 was made in Germany (Aer-o-tec) but I might be wrong.
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Old Sep 08, 2010, 11:40 PM
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As Avaldes mentioned, the Extasy is new at Soaring USA. Amazed to see RDS is pre-installed and ready for servos making for a quick build. The B guys might be able to provide more input on how it stacks up against the existing offerings.
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Old Sep 09, 2010, 12:09 AM
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"Thye also suck at Acro..."

I disagree, reference the video Green and Blue.

Don't get a Vampire; we don't want too many folks to find out about them. lol.

Cheers,
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Old Sep 09, 2010, 12:21 AM
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Light lift acro
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Old Sep 09, 2010, 12:31 AM
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Vampire F3B
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