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Old Sep 07, 2010, 09:17 PM
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Apogee Elite or the ELF mini dlg?

Hi,
I never flew a DLG before, so this would be my first, in fact I am a complete beginner in RC flying. nevertheless, I am considering one of these as a first DLG:

The ELF (140 Euro + 40 for S&H):
http://www.fvk.de/Elf.html
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1283654

and the new Apogee Elite (300$):
http://www.flyecm.com/inventory/Apogee_Elite.asp

From your experience what would be more suitable if at all for a beginner in terms of ease of flying and building ? (at present I want to keep the building time to the bare minimum).

Do you think I should be another DLG?if so which one? would you consider the Blaster/Blaster 2/Ultegra/Gladiator as a first DLG?

Thank you,

Shlomo.
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Old Sep 07, 2010, 10:06 PM
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My first DLG was the Apogee, not the Elite, just the basic Apogee.I'd been flying for 15 years when I got into DLG though. It was great. But I wouldn't spend that much on a first plane. Maybe the Mountain Models DL50 or the QuickFlick II or Wright Brothers Gambler AG. You'll save loads of money and tons of frustration, especially if you've never flown much. I'd also probably start on something that isn't quite as specialized as a DLG. Maybe a small hand launch like the Zephyr would be good. No matter what anybody tells you, a good hand launch (overhand throw, like a baseball) will fly just as well as a DLG. Not trying to guide you away from DLG, just thought i might save you some repair time. I just had another thought. The 2 meter Fling flies great if you keep it light and there's a bare minimum of build time with it! it's also not very expensive. Good luck and happy thermals!

Hoss

PS-- have you got somebody to help you with your first flights?
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Old Sep 07, 2010, 10:57 PM
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My first DLG was the Apogee, not the Elite, just the basic Apogee.I'd been flying for 15 years when I got into DLG though. It was great. But I wouldn't spend that much on a first plane. Maybe the Mountain Models DL50 or the QuickFlick II or Wright Brothers Gambler AG. You'll save loads of money and tons of frustration, especially if you've never flown much. I'd also probably start on something that isn't quite as specialized as a DLG. Maybe a small hand launch like the Zephyr would be good. No matter what anybody tells you, a good hand launch (overhand throw, like a baseball) will fly just as well as a DLG. Not trying to guide you away from DLG, just thought i might save you some repair time. I just had another thought. The 2 meter Fling flies great if you keep it light and there's a bare minimum of build time with it! it's also not very expensive. Good luck and happy thermals!

Hoss

PS-- have you got somebody to help you with your first flights?
I was buying into your story until you brought up the "fling".

The "fling" is barely worth flinging into the trash...

To the OP. I have flown both and prefer the elf.

Charlie
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Old Sep 07, 2010, 11:50 PM
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2m Fling not the Fling DLG... Different beasts....
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Old Sep 07, 2010, 11:54 PM
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Build a Mimi from Fans Buhl. He'll send you the plan and its an wasy build. Costs about $40 to build.
Another good choice is the Gambler. Easy to build and fly.
You don't have to spend a fortune to have fun and catch thermals!
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Old Sep 08, 2010, 04:06 AM
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2m Fling not the Fling DLG... Different beasts....
Aaarrrrrggg! More flings!

Lol, good to know they are not all as nasty as the DLG version...

Charlie
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Old Sep 08, 2010, 05:52 PM
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+ 1 for the gambler

flying rudder/elevator in the beginning makes a lot of sense. R/E `s are forgiving and prepares you better for A/R/E
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Old Sep 08, 2010, 06:04 PM
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You say you are a complete beginner at RC, so I would suggest you join a club that has a leaning towards gliders/electric assist/DLG, and learn to fly on their trainer. If that is not an option, get a plane like an Easystar, and find someone who can teach you to fly. Once you have accomplished this, then I would think about DLG. If you try DLG without some aquired skill level, then I think you will be heading for a world of pain and disappointment.
Not trying to rain on your parade, most things that are good and exciting in life require some investment in time and persistence to achieve.
Good luck! DLG is great, I am a recent convert, but I suggest you gain some flying skills first.
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Old Sep 08, 2010, 06:14 PM
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I started with a radian, from zero experience in RC. It took me five times IN THE CLUB with THE INSTRUCTUR to feel confident. The instructor saved my glider one time when a strong wind came.

A fiend of mine took the short path and in the second time tried it alone. The result a broken fuse in three.

The best advice is to start with someone than can teach you. And a simulator if you can.

The motor is also a plus when you are learning because it can give you second chances.
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Old Sep 08, 2010, 06:31 PM
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I bought a Fling HLG 48" [not dlg] for my 1st glider. It flies decent, takes a beating,easy to transport,and CHEAP enough to replace.It got me used to the controls, especially when its coming at you, and learned quite a few do's and donts.I repaired it several times, retired it and got another one. Now I moved up to breaking DLG's [not fling dlg's]
I consider the price I pay as training. Tuition keeps going up
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Old Sep 08, 2010, 08:35 PM
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Oh my God did I just read all this?where is the fork i was eating with so i can plunge it into my eyes.
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Old Sep 08, 2010, 08:41 PM
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Shlomo, don't mind Gavin. We usually keep him well medicated, and locked up until contest time, when we let him out for his "recreation time." He also still destroys DLGs on a regular basis.
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Old Sep 08, 2010, 08:42 PM
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put the fork down and back slowly away
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Old Sep 08, 2010, 09:19 PM
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I wouldn't even let my ex-wife fly a Fling DLG!!!!!

Now, the secret to the 2 meter Fling is to re-cover the wings with a lighter material, slide EVERYTHING as far forward as possible, hook up some carbon fiber pushrods and (this is the silly part) stick a flattened cigarette butt under the rear of the wing. I quit smoking in November though so I suppose now I'd go ahead and make a permanent little lift back there out of balsa. It'll hand launch as well as an old school HLG and float like a butterfly.

I did realize that I forgot my all time favorite javelin type hand launch up above though.. CR Aircraft Climax with the polyhedral 7037 airfoil wing. You can NOT go wrong with that plane!
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Old Sep 08, 2010, 10:21 PM
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I wouldn't even let my ex-wife fly a Fling DLG!!!!!
No one suggested that he buy a Fling DLG.
There are three models of Flings.

The Fling HLG.
The Fling DLG.
The Fling 2 meter.
The HLG and 2 meter are decent flyers if setup OK.

For a Newbie, I'd vote for the EasyStar to start, and the Gambler AG after you have developed some flying skills.
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