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Old Sep 05, 2010, 10:37 PM
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450 vs 500 class for learning

Is there a significant difference in stability when going from a 450 class helicopter to a 500 class? I've only flown 300 and sub 300 size FP helis before and they were much too twitchy for my tastes. I want something stable with a large "presence."
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Old Sep 05, 2010, 10:52 PM
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I can tell you this much, The 450 will be a significant improvement over 300 class birds for stability. I hated the 300 class birds I flew, I never could achieve a steady hover. I hovered a 450 easily the first time I ever took one up. I've never flown anything bigger than a 450 so I can't comment on the 500 but generally speaking, the bigger they are, the more stable they are.
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Old Sep 05, 2010, 10:56 PM
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I can tell you this much, The 450 will be a significant improvement over 300 class birds for stability. I hated the 300 class birds I flew, I never could achieve a steady hover. I hovered a 450 easily the first time I ever took one up. I've never flown anything bigger than a 450 so I can't comment on the 500 but generally speaking, the bigger they are, the more stable they are.
Yeah, it felt like trying to balance on top of a basket ball or something. I even bought a copy of Realflight thinking it might help but but hovering in Realflight was a million times easier than in real life.

But it's good to hear the 450s are much more stable than the 300s.
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Old Sep 05, 2010, 11:13 PM
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i flew the Compy/GuruZ 300 FP heli's for awhile. i finally got a Trex 450, man it was like a whole new hobby

now i have the 500 & 600....but i still love flying my 450..good times !!
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Old Sep 05, 2010, 11:13 PM
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The 500 is more stable but also requires more room to fly in.

as for real flight, make sure you dial in some wind and other factors. Plus, fly the axe cp not the 90 size gasser for a more realistic experience...
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Old Sep 05, 2010, 11:17 PM
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Well I'm no expert, but I have been flying 450 size for a few month now and I think it's a great size for learning, parts are cheap in general , mostly blades, I probably destroyed about 10 sets of blades so you can do the math...
I'm building a Gaui 425 now and it's a lot bigger for sure, lot more expenssive,and just more to it....
I still love my Blade 400 or a V2 trex also great.
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Old Sep 05, 2010, 11:50 PM
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The 500 is more stable but also requires more room to fly in.
While it is 100% more stable, it does not require more room. They fly 700s where I fly my 450 Pro. In competitions they have to fly within the same perimeter anyways, no matter what size heli
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Old Sep 05, 2010, 11:53 PM
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joliecoeur13, what kind of components are you using? I'm going to build a 'budget' heli and a 500 is maybe $100 more than a 450.
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Old Sep 06, 2010, 12:26 AM
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While it is 100% more stable, it does not require more room. They fly 700s where I fly my 450 Pro. In competitions they have to fly within the same perimeter anyways, no matter what size heli
True but if you're just learning then I find that the same maneuvers take a bit more space with the larger helis. I guess it depends on if you're at a club flying field all the time then ya no big deal. I fly my 450's on occasion in my back yard but not my 500 and larger.
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Old Sep 06, 2010, 05:58 AM
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joliecoeur13, what kind of components are you using? I'm going to build a 'budget' heli and a 500 is maybe $100 more than a 450.
Look at the price of batteries and then readjust that price differential.
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Old Sep 06, 2010, 09:27 AM
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Look at the price of batteries and then readjust that price differential.
Turnigy nano-tech 2200 mah 3S 35-75C - $21
Turnigy nano-tech 2650 mah 6S 35-70C - $46
Turnigy nano-tech 3000 mah 6S 25-50C - $52
(not sure which capacity batteries a 500 class heli should use)

The all-up cost difference between a 450 and a 500 using Hobby-King parts is about $100, maybe $125.
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Old Sep 06, 2010, 09:28 AM
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Is there a significant difference in stability when going from a 450 class helicopter to a 500 class? I've only flown 300 and sub 300 size FP helis before and they were much too twitchy for my tastes. I want something stable with a large "presence."
I have a tarrot 450 that i am flying at the moment that is very nice to fly but you need a lot of know how to set them up nice in your tx with curves ect as each set up is different with different motors and wot not ,,i have flown micro heli for years and they can be a pain as you know but have you seen the cb180? its made by walkera and has a 45 deg flybar and is very stable to fly and will help you a lot with learning before you go 450 or 500 class,as stable as the 450 is it can be quite a handfull as they are 3d helis and very powerfull,i had a small 45 deg heli called a walkera cb100 before my 450 and i learned more with that heli in 1 hour than 1 year with other micros,,check out that cb180 i think you will love it.
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Here you go dude
CB180 outdoor flight (3 min 37 sec)
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Old Sep 06, 2010, 09:44 AM
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A 450 heli definitely demands a little more respect than a 300 size but I wouldn't let that deter me from getting one. As long as you use basic common sense and follow normal safety procedures a 450 or even 500 will be fine.
As far as setup and what you need to know, a visit to Helifreak.com and a download of the Finless Bob videos will teach you anything you may ever need to know. I get so sick of seeing people be advised to get 300 sized learner heli's like HoneybeeFPs or 45 degree flybar helis. I think you hamstring yourself with these little twitchy helis.
My learning speed progressed much faster once I made the jump to a 450.
If I had stuck with 300 size much longer, I would have been out of the hobby by now. JMO, YMMV.
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A 450 heli definitely demands a little more respect than a 300 size but I wouldn't let that deter me from getting one. As long as you use basic common sense and follow normal safety procedures a 450 or even 500 will be fine.
As far as setup and what you need to know, a visit to Helifreak.com and a download of the Finless Bob videos will teach you anything you may ever need to know. I get so sick of seeing people be advised to get 300 sized learner heli's like HoneybeeFPs or 45 degree flybar helis. I think you hamstring yourself with these little twitchy helis.
My learning speed progressed much faster once I made the jump to a 450.
If I had stuck with 300 size much longer, I would have been out of the hobby by now. JMO, YMMV.
But you need a good level of control over a heli before you go 450,you need good understanding of tail in,nose in,side ect and a 450 just takes too long to learn these things,you move the stick the wrong way and it hits the floor at 3000 rpm head speed and smashes the blades,main shaft,feather shaft and then you have to rebuild and by the time you get up in the air again your back to square number one again,get fed up of rebuilds after a few weeks and get out of heli for good,drop a cb180 shut the throttle and then just put it back on its feet and go straight back up to learn ,,then after a few months of this and minor rebuilds you are fully ready for a 450 ,,just think how hard it was when you started heli,,,just my take on it though.
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