I have been out with my 24" depron firefly delta for its maiden.I have put the motor on the front instead of prop in slot as I prefer this set-up for this type of plane.All went well and it is very aerobatic but also slows down nice for prop hanging.

Went back over the field a little later with the Euro-Fighter and the farmer was in there with the tractor cutting the grass so looks like I will have to leave it for an hour or so and try again.
I have given the Euro a bit of up-thrust to try and cut down on the eagerness for it to gain height with the throttle.Let you know how that goes.


John

Mornin' folks,
I have to run out to work now, but I'll check out the new video when I get home.
A friend is coming over this afternoon to help with the JP1 recovery. Hopefully I will be back in the stable tonight.
John: Do you have any photos of the Firefly? I'd love to see it.
-Mike

Originally Posted by CX2Mike

Mornin' folks,
I have to run out to work now, but I'll check out the new video when I get home.
A friend is coming over this afternoon to help with the JP1 recovery. Hopefully I will be back in the stable tonight.
John: Do you have any photos of the Firefly? I'd love to see it.
-Mike

Morning Mike,
I have to tell you that I have just come back from flying my Euro-Fighter and to say I am pleased would be an understatement.Since I have added some up-thrust to the motor it flys level under power and it slows down like a 3D plane.It even sort of prop hangs if you can prop hang a mid motor pusher.
I really think this is an ideal aileron trainer and just wished I had it when I was trying ailerons for the first time.

I wish you luck with your recovery of the JP1.

Here is a picture of the Firefly as it is now with a few mods as I always do.
It was meant to be a pusher prop-in-slot plane but changed it to a tractor just because I prefer that set-up on this type of plane.
It really does fly well but not as easy as the Euro-Fighter.

Originally Posted by jclassic1

Morning Mike,
I have to tell you that I have just come back from flying my Euro-Fighter and to say I am pleased would be an understatement.Since I have added some up-thrust to the motor it flys level under power and it slows down like a 3D plane.It even sort of prop hangs if you can prop hang a mid motor pusher.
I really think this is an ideal aileron trainer and just wished I had it when I was trying ailerons for the first time.

I wish you luck with your recovery of the JP1.

Here is a picture of the Firefly as it is now with a few mods as I always do.
It was meant to be a pusher prop-in-slot plane but changed it to a tractor just because I prefer that set-up on this type of plane.
It really does fly well but not as easy as the Euro-Fighter.

Hey John, Im glad to hear the heavens have permited you fine weather and no chores so that you could actually have a fly.

I imagine the firefly must hang/3D well. As a puller with all of the controls in the prop stream it would be quite acrobatic.

Im glad to hear that you like and have had a good time with the EF. Its one of my personal favourites and for the reason that you have already stated.
If you have a little bit of head wind you can almost get it to hang and with the rudder and the skills Im sure that you could do it time and time again and recovery is easy.

Im just uploading another vid at the moment of my copy of Mikes JP1 that was lost on a fpv excursion. Ive titled the video "I will have what Mike.P is having, a JP1".
its the maiden flight with it fpv gear on board so its balanced. Im recording only using my hat cam.

Anyway Good work with the EF and I hope that she survives for a long time to keep that EF grin up regulary.

Clint

Thanks Clint for the EF plans,I didn,t think that a mid motored pusher jet could be so gentle to fly.My small F22 is a lot more work to keep in the air.
This was my first proper flight with the Euro and has passed with flying colours.I don,t hold much hope out for the weather for the rest of the week but at least I now know this is a good one.

I was flying at half or less throttle for most of the time and estimate flying time of about 8 mins.When I recharged my 3cell 800mah lipo it took 460ma so there was probably another couple of mins flying left.

Have to be careful what I choose to build next from your collection as the Euro is so good another model has a lot to live up to.
I really do like the look of your F4 Phantom so any chance of some plans for this one.

John

i have printed off the B2 and to get the same size 55cm i put 420% into paint program, and now just waiting for my foam delivery, then i can get some serious building done, but in the mean time i will fly my divinity and going to try a couple of my rewound motors to see how they go compared to the origional winding
carl

Good morning John and Carl or is it late evening in the UK?
John, I know that feeling of this is pretty good and how can it get any better.
All of my planes that I have built have that sought of effect on me. I flew my
dads F22 on the weekend down at the farm and loved its stability and
manuverability. It could turn back on its self in a 1/4 of the space that the B2
does but then it doesnt look like the B2 so thats why the B2 has a spot as well.
Even with some of its bad traits. I would suggest you try the F22 again, with
my dads one I cut leading edge slats to create more lift. Its certainly works.

The F4... Its a little bit more complex due to the elevator but nothing for a man like yourself to bowl over with any issues. I will do my best to have 70% plan for you play with today John. It does fly rather nice. I did blow that one out scale when I built it for my brother. the wing was fatter than the original. Did you see my F4 video?

RC F4 Phantom foamie (2 min 23 sec)

Carl, you rewind your own motors, I have a bucket of burnt out ones that I cant seperate the stators out of. Otherwise I would of rewound them or at least had a go. The problem I find is that most of my motors from HK only cost upto $16. Rewinding one can take upto 3hrs or more which I could of brought another 3 or more motors if Id been at work.
But I do understand the satisfaction that you would get from having something run from what you built. Ive only had 2 motors run that I rewound. 1 of them the wire jumped out of the stator and into the magnet. The wire I used was much thicker than the multistranded stuff they use.

And Mike, this ones for you baby!

I will have what Mike.P is having, A JP1 (8 min 4 sec)

Carl, you rewind your own motors

hey clint, i have only been rewinding for a short while, but have now got my winding neater, so far i have done a few blue wonder motors, and a couple of my E max, and i know that the motors cost next to nothing, but like you said there is the satisfaction of scratchbuilding a plane, then putting your rewound motor on, for me its just as much fun as building, i too had trouble with an A2208/12 motor, the stator block was fixed to the barrel of the motor, but ended up killing the motor completely trying to get it off, but then found out you just heat up the barrel of the motor to loosen the glue, then the complete staor block can be taken off and rewound, then glue back on, i have a similar motor that is 2600Kv and when i get chance i am going to try this method, and will up the Kv, also clint how about using your magic and doing an old school jet like a vulcan bomber, i think its has been tried before, but maybe you could give it your special treatment
carl

Originally Posted by doggit

hey clint, i have only been rewinding for a short while, but have now got my winding neater, so far i have done a few blue wonder motors, and a couple of my E max, and i know that the motors cost next to nothing, but like you said there is the satisfaction of scratchbuilding a plane, then putting your rewound motor on, for me its just as much fun as building, i too had trouble with an A2208/12 motor, the stator block was fixed to the barrel of the motor, but ended up killing the motor completely trying to get it off, but then found out you just heat up the barrel of the motor to loosen the glue, then the complete staor block can be taken off and rewound, then glue back on, i have a similar motor that is 2600Kv and when i get chance i am going to try this method, and will up the Kv, also clint how about using your magic and doing an old school jet like a vulcan bomber, i think its has been tried before, but maybe you could give it your special treatment
carl

Hey Carl, thanks for the tip with heating up the barrel. yep I destroyed a motors as well.
Funny you bring up the Vulcan, Ive been of work this week with a suspected hernia. Luckily after all the trips to the Doc and Radiolidgy its just a Lipoma or a fatty tumor.
Anyway whilst I was outside the Clinic there is a bookstall so I looked at the aircraft books as usual and the Vulcan was in there. I thought Hmmmm. Looks really good.

I will try to make a start on it soon for your valuable motor tip Carl. I will knock up the plan with my best guess at the CG. You can build it and fly it.
Ive been pretty good with my guessing lately so you might be flying sooner than you thought.

John, your request has been done. The F4 plans are up on the website
http://judd-rc.id.au/Plans.html

Clint

I'm pleased to report that the JP1 has been successfully recovered in working order.
The battery is dead from overdraining, but otherwise the plane is ready to fly again.
I'll probably strip the gear off this one and rebuild it as the JP2.
I have a few things I'd like to modify and it will be easier just to build a new airframe.
Plus, this one is looking a bit haggard around the nose area.
Clint, I'm blown away! That JP1/Trainer hybrid is sweet!
I was planning to do the KFm airfoil already, but I like the angle of the tails a lot, and I really like the paint job.
What do you use for paint on these foamies?
It looks to fly great. I'll try to make up the JP2 soon so we can get a series going.

Originally Posted by doggit

hey clint, i have only been rewinding for a short while, but have now got my winding neater, so far i have done a few blue wonder motors, and a couple of my E max, and i know that the motors cost next to nothing, but like you said there is the satisfaction of scratchbuilding a plane, then putting your rewound motor on, for me its just as much fun as building, i too had trouble with an A2208/12 motor, the stator block was fixed to the barrel of the motor, but ended up killing the motor completely trying to get it off, but then found out you just heat up the barrel of the motor to loosen the glue, then the complete staor block can be taken off and rewound, then glue back on, i have a similar motor that is 2600Kv and when i get chance i am going to try this method, and will up the Kv, also clint how about using your magic and doing an old school jet like a vulcan bomber, i think its has been tried before, but maybe you could give it your special treatment
carl

Its at the bottom of the plans page. Let me know how she turns out.

Clint

http://judd-rc.id.au/Plans.html#

Originally Posted by CX2Mike

I'm pleased to report that the JP1 has been successfully recovered in working order.
The battery is dead from overdraining, but otherwise the plane is ready to fly again.
I'll probably strip the gear off this one and rebuild it as the JP2.
I have a few things I'd like to modify and it will be easier just to build a new airframe.
Plus, this one is looking a bit haggard around the nose area.
Clint, I'm blown away! That JP1/Trainer hybrid is sweet!
I was planning to do the KFm airfoil already, but I like the angle of the tails a lot, and I really like the paint job.
What do you use for paint on these foamies?
It looks to fly great. I'll try to make up the JP2 soon so we can get a series going.

Mike your battery isnt dead. Does your charger do NiMh NiCd batteries as well?
If so what you need to do is charge it as a NiCd until the volts get up over 9V on a 3S. Once its reached over 9V which should only take a minute or so then swap it back to a lipo balance charge and it will be sweet. Maybe not as good as before but you will still have a battery.
When charging it as a NiCd do a manual charge at no more than a 2C rate
so a 1000mah battery can be charged at 2amps for eg.
Ohh there was no paint on the trainer. My sheets were green/white with black tape on them. I then painted it later before she was lost.

I use the cheapest stuff I can get its aersol enamel. If sprayed onto bare foam it will eat it. But our stuff is covered so its all good and the good thing is that it stops water warping the surfaces when you land on wet grass.
But the cut edges will get wet still.

Ive just added another plan at Carls request. Its the Avro Vulcan. This might get John excited.

Good to hear that the JP1 came back.
Hows the other project going? the madness
Clint

That's good news about the battery, but I only have 2 of those tiny "box" chargers that come with the RC helis. They are lipo balance chargers, but charge VERY slowly and are not programmable. I really need to get a "real" charger, but the CFO (wife) said I need to curb the RC spending for a bit.

That Vulcan is nice looking, I may need to add it to the build queue too.

Oh, I forgot to tell you, 'the madness' is grounded. It "flew" like a leaf in a storm, which is to say any direction except the one I was trying for! lol
For anyone who cares, I guess there's no point in it being a secret anymore, it was a Millennium Falcon model that was intended to fly, but didn't. A photo is attached for posterity. I may revisit it again at some point, but for now I have too many other real planes to build.

On a much more positive note, I have the prototype of JP2 ready. Plans attached for review and critique.
Clint, what do you think about the logo? I wanted to get a little branding on there on the off chance that someone wants to share where they got the awesome model with their buddies!
Everything's in real early stages of development right now, so feel free to suggest/demand changes as you see fit.
I only put my name first in the copyright statement because I'm vain and because I just spent several hours up to my eyeballs in AutoCAD and feel the need to gloat.

Mike

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http://hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store...w/_accessories

Originally Posted by CX2Mike

That's good news about the battery, but I only have 2 of those tiny "box" chargers that come with the RC helis. They are lipo balance chargers, but charge VERY slowly and are not programmable. I really need to get a "real" charger, but the CFO (wife) said I need to curb the RC spending for a bit.

That Vulcan is nice looking, I may need to add it to the build queue too.

Oh, I forgot to tell you, 'the madness' is grounded. It "flew" like a leaf in a storm, which is to say any direction except the one I was trying for! lol
For anyone who cares, I guess there's no point in it being a secret anymore, it was a Millennium Falcon model that was intended to fly, but didn't. A photo is attached for posterity. I may revisit it again at some point, but for now I have too many other real planes to build.

On a much more positive note, I have the prototype of JP2 ready. Plans attached for review and critique.
Clint, what do you think about the logo? I wanted to get a little branding on there on the off chance that someone wants to share where they got the awesome model with their buddies!
Everything's in real early stages of development right now, so feel free to suggest/demand changes as you see fit.
I only put my name first in the copyright statement because I'm vain and because I just spent several hours up to my eyeballs in AutoCAD and feel the need to gloat.

Damn thats brilliant work Mike and the logo is awesome. I have to shoot out so I will give this reply and more deserved reply when I get back. The JP2 plans look to be the std.
I think we can still get the falcon to fly. As Carl Weathers says its "Its all in the hips" lol
If I can have a look I might be able to shed more light.
But Brilliant work!!!

Im back, The Falcon looks awesome and as John said a while back anything can be made to fly.
If the nose kept going up then its tail heavy.
If it seemed to go level but keep turning to the left or the right then that is a yaw problem. So if its going right although your commanding left then you will need bigger Vertical Stabilizers.

I cant see any problems with your JP2 plans. I dont have experience with manipulating the PDF format so Im guessing that you will tile the pages so that the plans come set at a fixed size when printing.
Its just showing 2 pages just now.
My sisters friend said its possible.
Let us know your thoughts Mike.