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WOODIES: Wooden Pleasure Craft from Boating's Golden and Classic Eras and much more.

WELCOME!

A place for Woody fans to come and chat and strut their boats' stuff...

Also a central place for a Woodies Thread and Article listing.


Woodie: A wooden hulled, usually varnished mahogany, powered boat, usually a pleasure, commuter, runabout, racer, cruiser or launch from the "Golden Age of Boating" or the post-war "Classic Age of Boating." The definition usually excludes working boats such as trawlers, coasters or fishing boats. (Is this going to be an agreeable definition for everyone?)

Classic Fiberglass or aluminum runabouts from the Postwar, Classic Runabout Era are welcome.

Also included in our scope are the Pleasure Steamers and launches as were seen on the Ullswater, Windermere, Muskoka and St. Lawrence during of Steam's Golden Age and are the roots of the gasoline powered 'woodies,' in function and use. The oldest mechanically powered vessel in the world, the S.L. Dolly, was launched in 1850, is a Woodie under our definition, indeed she could be looked at as the progenitor of all woodies that came after.

The model's hull need not be wood, but the full sized prototype, in general, with the above noted exceptions, should be. There may be other special exceptions, of course... we wouldn't chase the African Queen away 'cause the prototype's hull was iron plate. - Your thoughts on this?


Looking for a particular boat?

Certain boats have quite a following, mainly boats that have figured in the mass media or culture in some ways like Jack Kennedy's Elco PT Boat, the 109, are famous for their exploits in life, others conversely, from the movies and TV like Father Goose's "Vrolijkheid," and the "Minnow" from Gilligan's Island. Some, like John Hacker's "The Thunderbird" or the Rivas have gained a following by being exquisite exemplars of the craft of boat-building and style.

Check the "Build Lists" below and see if your boat is there. If not, use the search function on the upper starboard side of this (and every) R/C Groups' web page. Or, of course, feel free to ask in a posting.

Vintage Model Boat & Ship plans

If you are loooking for Vintage Plans and Kit tracings, check out the "Vintage Model Boat & Ship plans" Sticky Thread over in Dock Talk - Lots of interesting stuff!!



Chris Craft, Garwood, Hacker, Hackercraft, Ditchburn, Muskoka, Minett, Minett-Shields, Port Carling, W.J. Johnston, Port Carling, Father Goose, Vrolijkheid, Walter Eckland, Cary Grant, Chris Craft Custom Commuter, Custom Commander, Custom Cruiser
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Show & Tell SHOWCASE!
Haz Uz gotz a Woodie??? -
Iz Uz proud o'yer Woodie?? -
Haz no gotz place to flaunt yer Woodie?

See the rules for posting below then get over there an' getz yer Woodie some severe face time!
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PM me with article/thread links to add here

Build Logs:
Scratch Builds
Scratch -- Thunderbird - by GPR -- Mar '09 --- Highly Recommended! A very detailed and complex build. Superb



Scratch -- 39' Version of the Typhoon - METI -- Aug '07


Scratch -- Hacker 16' Runabout - CG Bob -- Jan '08


Scratch -- 1934 GarWood 16ft Speedster scratchbuilt - Ed Crowell -- Jan 09 -- A highly recommended build thread.


Scratch -- The SS Minnow - P. Tritle -- Jan '04 --- an exception to prove the rule


Scratch -- "Father Goose's 'Vrolijkheid'" - P. Tritle -- Feb 08


Scratch -- Pat Tritle's Chloe times 150% - by EdLokken -- Jan '09


Scratch -- Riva Aquarama - Dongledell -- Sept '03


Scratch -- Dodge Watercar from the early 20's... by FatBeech -- Aug '08 --- Recommended


Scratch -- "POSH," a 22-1/2" DART Speedtender from 1931 - by FatBeech -- Sept 08 --- Recommended


Scratch -- Runathing - A Flyer inspired runabout - pjesus -- Jul '10

Scratch -- Norgale's build of the 1926 yacht Mariner III. - Norgale - Sept '10 -- Not a 'woodie' hull per se, but a classic from the Golden Age of Yachting!


Scratch - Jersey Speed Skiff - by Winkman1 -- Sept '10 -- Gas powered Woodie speedboats


Scratch -- Chris Craft Barrelback - werlec -- Oct '10 - New Build thread.


Scratch -- 1955 37' Merritt - by Finn -- Oct '10 -- Very nice scratch build of a '50's recreational fishing boat.


Scratch -- 1955 37' Chris Craft Corvette - LaBob -- Nov '10 --- Not a Sterling - True Scratch


Scratch -- Drake Tail Steam Launch - peconic steam -- Jan '11 --- Steam Launch, scratch from design on up! --- NEW


Scratch -- A new project...what to do? (Steam Launch "Le Mouette" (Seagull)) - sergio-italia -- Nov '10 --- --- NEW

Scratch -- The Meteor - a 1950s Outboard Runabout - Chinewalker -- Dec '10


Scratch -- Halvorsen 36 Build Log with pics - Schmango78 -- Feb '11


Scratch -- Malibu Wakesetter 23 LSV - xx29l9 -- Mar '10 (Ok, the full-scale prototype is glass... Bob's the build is balsa and looking very well done too!)


Scratch -- 57' Chris Craft Constellation - mbingo - Apr '11 --- NEW


Scratch -- "Swallow" mahogany runabout - szmyk -- Mar '11 -- From the design/drafting table foward; a 'from-the-ground-up' build! Sweet looking too! NEW


Scratch -- Wide-A-Wake 51" Steam Launch - Patternmaker -- Jul' 11 --- Clinker Planked Steam Launch * Looks like it is gonna' be a wowser! NEW
Scratch -- Wide-A-Wake on Model Boat Mayhem


Scratch -- The ORCA from Jaws - IdealMethod -- Aug '11 --- Brody, Hoper and Quint ride again in what looks to be a very detailed build.


Scratch -- School Boat Project at 150% - P. Tritle -- Aug '11 --- Another build by a Master!


Scratch -- Rappahannock Boat Works Torpedo stern launch - Reg Hinnant -- May '11 --- really nice build!


Scratch -- Mistral - (a Lake Union Dreamboat 42') - CurtisP40 -- Oct '11

Scratch -- Nouveau - A modern river launch - randyde -- Oct '11


Scratch -- 1920 Jersey Sea Skiff 1/6th scale - Pirt12 -- Nov '11


Scratch -- '20s style raised deck cruiser - moTthediesel -- Dec'11 --- Now here's and interesting design prototype build with a twist (in the hull)!

Caballero (Mechanix Illustrated) - the_11th_guest -- Feb '12 --- A scratch build from old Mechanix Illustrated plans!


Scratch - Unfinished Classic Mahogany Boat - Aydemir -- Oct '11 --- A sweet little build of a classic style runabout speedster.


Scratch - Little Frameless Boat - Aydemir -- Dec '11 --- Another sweet little build of a classic style runabout speedster.


Miss America VIII - - JimsBoats -- Mar '12 --- this ya Gotta see; Dual V-12s!!!



Semi-Scratch Builds
(Reproductions of un/available kits or or substanially hacked kits.)
Semi Scratch - Sterling 63' CC Motor Yacht with a twist? by ClassicBoats - June '09 - - A long, detailed and through scratch-build article - Recommended
Semi Scratch - Sterling 63' - Tinknocker -- Feb '08
Semi Scratch - Sterling / 50' Sterling / CC Catalina - hotshot564 -- Mar '11 NEW
Semi Scratch - Sterling 42' Corvette - Tinknocker -- Dec '08
Semi-Scratch - Lady Allison II Steam Lauch - dunc2504 -- Jul '09


Semi-Scratch - Lady Isabell: New open launch project - dunc2504 -- Apr '11


Semi Scratch / KIt Mod - 1940 Chris Craft 19' Custom "Barrelback" Runabout - woodybob - Sept '07 - - When you gonna finish woody? Abandoned build??

Semi Scratch - Aerokits Sea Hornet by Mr.Toes ToesUp -- Jul '08 -- A classic by Mr.Toes from drawings - recommended!


Torpedo Stern Cruiser - A-37 -- Oct '10 --- Really nice build on a GRP/FG hull; definitely worth a look - RECENT ADD


Semi-Scratch Sterling Catalina - tinknocker -- Feb '12


Semi-Scratch - Stirling 63' Chris Craft MY - oldbilgewater -- April '12

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Rebuilds and Restorations
(Rebuilds and repairs f older boats)
Rebuild - of Late 1920's Electric Launch - By Bob SF -- Aug '11
Rebuild and modernization of a 1920s vintage electric-powered "school model" based on John W. Cavileer's 1923 design
as published in his "manual arts" textbook "MODEL BOAT BUILDING FOR BOYS"


Restoration - A 45 year old Chris Craft from Okinawa - by daemuon -- Sept '08


Restoration FOUND 2 trashed wood boats! - by Layer -- Feb '12


Restoration - Chris Craft Overhaul - by Fastandlow -- Feb '12




Kit Builds
Amati - Riva Aquarama 1:10 - Sharky1dk -- Jun '11 --- NEW to List

Dare Designs - Barracuda - by Chop1 -- Mar '09

Dumas 1956 23' Continental by EdLokken - April '10
Dumas 1954 36' Commander Express Cruiser by bluezephyr - Sept '05 - - Recommend
Dumas Chris Craft Commander - Kylewp -- Jan '11 NEW
Dumas Typhoon, Kit Review - P. Tritle -- Oct '03 - Highly Recommended
Dumas 1940 Chris Craft 19' Custom "Barrelback" Runabout - by Hatchet Jack - Apr '10
Dumas 1940 Chris Craft 19' Custom "Barrelback" Runabout - by woodybob -- Dec '07
Dumas 1949 Chris Craft 19' Racing Runabout - by P. Tritle -- Mar '04 --- Recommended
Dumas 1949 Chris Craft 19' Racing Runabout **Bash Job** - by Habanero -- Mar '10 --- Recommended
Dumas 1949 Chris Craft 19' Racing Runabout - mcfly1883 -- Apr 07 --- Recommended - very large and detailed, look at the custom metalworking
Dumas 1949 Chris Craft 19' Racing Runabout - laser110 -- Feb '12
Dumas 1947 19' Chris Craft Utility - by RussellTate -- June '09 --- Recommended
Dumas Chris Craft Racing Runabout - by RussellTate -- Aug '10
Dumas Chris-Craft 27' Triple-Cockpit Barrel Back - by P. Tritle -- Dec '07 --- Recommended
Dumas 1964 20' Chris-Craft Super Sport - by P. Tritle -- Feb '09 --- Recommended
Dumas Chris-Craft "Utility" - by Aerominded -- Jan '05
Dumas 1941 16' Chris-Craft Hydro - Review - by P. Tritle -- Aug '07 --- Recommended
Dumas Owens 42' Flagship - by P. Tritle -- Feb '11 --- Recommended


Legend Model Boats - 1958 "Cavalier" 25' Express Cruiser -- Kit Review - P. Tritle -- Sept '05 --- Recommended
Legend Model Boats - Century "Thunderbolt" Kit Review - by P. Tritle -- Jan '05
Legend Model Boats - 1930 Dodge 21'6" Split Cockpit Runabout - CG Bob -- Dec '08
Legend Model Boats - 1950 Jersey Speed Skiff - frankg -- Jul '08
Legend Model Boats - 1952 Century Sea Maid '18' -1/6th scale - frankg -- Jun 09
Legend Model Boats - "California Cracker Box" - frankg -- Jan '10
Legend Model Boats - 1935 Gar Wood 16' Speedster "MISS BEHAVE" - frankg -- Feb '11
Legend Model Boats - 1922 Gold Cup Racer "MISS SEVERN" - frankg -- March '12

M.A.C.K. Products - Building the St. Lawrence River Skiff - by P. Tritle -- Jan '10
M.A.C.K. Products / Legend Model Boats - 1950 Jersey Speed Skiff - by P. Tritle -- Jun '09
M.A.C.K. Products - 1963 Lyman Soft Top Sleeper in Review - by P. Tritle -- Dec '07 --- Recommended

Midwest - Fantail Launch + Kitchen rudder by peconic steam - Jan '10 - Well it started out as pleasure steamer...
Midwest - A Fantail Launch in Italy - sergio-italia -- Nov '10 --- NEW
Midwest - What? Another Elliot Bay launch? - bgnome -- Jun '10 --- based on the Elliot Bay "Vaparosa" hull --- NEW to List

Model Shipways Miss Adventure - by ssg.perkins -- Oct '10 -- Looking good!

Sterling - Chris Craft 42' Corvette - 42Corvette -- Mar '09
Sterling - Chris-Craft 42' Corvette - b willow -- Nov '07
Sterling - Classic Dual Cockpit Mahogany Runabout - First Time Build - kylewp -- Feb '08
Sterling - Century Sea Maid - Picking up the Pieces (again) - DoddyO -- Jan '10
Sterling - Century Seamaid - Mars Rover -- Dec '10

RTRs
Mods and Hacks
proboat classic runabout - tim slocum -- Sept '05
Venice 90 - Kmot -- Jun 02 (More of a MAJOR rebuild job.)
Pro-Boat Runabout Chris Craft and water cooling? - Bernhard BB -- Aug '10 Cooling system, motor and passenger hacks.

Boat Galleries:
Models
WOODIES: Show and Tell, A gallery of Woodies - Sept '10
Show Your (Steam) Boats and Engines Here - dunc2504 -- Dec '09 --- A fantastic and growing gallery of steam launches, check out Bernhard BB's work among others!

Scratch - The "Edna" - A Chris Craft 42' Corvette Cruiser - Eight feet LOA - papower -- Feb '09 --- Wow! NEW
Scratch - Norwegian runabout by Steggen - May '10
Chris Craft First Run! - xraycajun -- Oct '09
Marx Chris Craft Constellation - jschneider -- Jun '09
Mahogany River Queen Launch - by Bernhard BB -- Nov '10 -- Bernhard strikes again!!! Wow
Scratch Quarter Scale Chris Craft Cobra - glgirvin -- Jan '11 Biiig!!!


Dumas Chris-Craft Triple Cockpit Barrelback Runabout
- oldtribefan -- Jun '07 -- oldtribefan's metalworking; especially the handmade cutwater.
Dumas Chris Craft Cobra - oldtribefan -- Jun '07 --- a jeweled metal dash and custom fittings.
Dumas 24' Chris Craft by a Master (Pat Kenly) - Kmot --Aug '07 --- Recommended
Dumas 1940 Chris Craft 19' Custom "Barrelback" Runabout - frankg -- Jul '09
Dumas 1930 Chris Craft Runabout (upswept) - frankg -- Nov '05
The NATTY K. - by woodybob -- Jul '08 --- A beautiful Mod/Upgrade of a Laughing Whale Runabout -- Recommended
1947 Chris Craft Utility - rotation slim -- Dec '08
My first chris craft - rotation slim -- Dec '08
Dumas 16' hydro - rotation slim -- May '10
1939 Century Thunderbolt - rotation slim -- Dec '10

Legend Model Boats - 1930 DODGE 21'6" SPLIT-COCKPIT RUNABOUT - frankg -- Mar '08

Sterling Chris Craft 63' Motor Yacht Owners (and their BOATS) - Norgale - Aug '08
Sterling - 1950 CENTURY SEAMAID - frankg -- Nov '05
Sterling Chris Craft Commander - H.Lauer -- Aug '09

Full Size
New York Launch and Motor Co. made some BEAUTIFUL Yachts! - Predreadnut -- Sept '10
Chris Craft Glove Boxes (Cockpit detailing) - RussellTate -- Sept '10 NEW

Event Galleries:
Models
Wooden Boats on Parade / San Francisco Model Yacht Club (Bi-Annual Event)Great Lakes Model Boat Association (GLMBA) - model expo 2010
Who's going to Kitchener? (GLMBA Show 2007)
GLMBA Model Expo 2005

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Book Recommendations & Reviews:
Book recommendations which are linked are linked to review pages on The Modelers' Wiki® , a work in progress. Of most service to you, click ion the WorldCat link to find copies at libraries near to you worldwide!

Models
Mahogany in Scale / Modeling the Classic Runabout By our very own PatMat! Buy this book or a goose will become romantically attached to your woodie...

Full Size
Cutwater: Speedboats and Launches from the Golden Age of Boating, Robert Duncan

Chris Craft - The Essential Guide Jerry Conrad Amazon
Building Chris-Craft: Inside the Factories New Chris-Craft book!, Anthony S. Mollica Jr., Amazon
Chris-Craft of the 1950s, Jack Savage Amazon

Ditchburn Boats - A Muskoka Legacy, Harold Shield & Bev McMullen
The Boatbuilders of Muskoka, A.H. Duke & W.M. Gray
Wood and Glory: Muskoka's Classic Launches, Gray & Vernet`
Classic Boats of the Thousand Islands, Anthony S. Mollica, Jr. & Goerge Fischer

Dodge Boats, Anthony S. Mollica Jr.
Gar Wood Boats - Classics of a Golden Era, Anthony S. Mollica Jr.
Hackercraft, John Perry
Speedboat, D.W. Fostle - Recommended
Classic Speedboats - 1916-1939, Gérald Guétat
Classic Speedboats - The Summit: 1945-1962, Gérald Guétat

Tail Fins and Two-Tones: The Guide to America's Classic Fiberglass and Aluminum Runabouts, Peter Hunn - Recommended -- A good book for some interesting designs,a look at what the other guys were up to; also good equipment details.

Modeling - Historical
Old manuals useful for period techniques and technology and of historical interest.
Be careful in applying this knowledge, some of the materials used (lead paints, solder with high heavy metal content) and formulas given were and are highly toxic.


Scale Model Warships / Gunkan no mokei : kiso kara jitsugi made, Kōzō Izumi - Highly Recommended - Particularly for planning and scratch fabrication of small fittings.

Model Boat Building for Boys : A Manual on the Construction and Designing of Several Types of Model Sail and Electrically Propelled Crafts, John W. Cavileer - A classic from the era of Wood Shop Classes and organized educational modeling.


Other Documentation:
Gauge ref for Chris Craft Racing Runabout? - RussellTate -- Jan '11 --- Russel's question get some very fine answers of value for everyone!
Dumas 21" CC Express cruise - Norgale
For those are mad searching for riva aquarama plans. - paulolondres -- Jul '10
Chris Craft 57' Constellation planking arrangement - Bill Zebb -- Aug '10

Discussions:

Models
Dumas Discussion with April Rose; Dumas Rep -- Jul '10
When scale and speed meet!!! - frankg -- Dec '09
Long Awaited Legend "lyman" - frankg -- Sept '07
Sterling 63 Owners - norgale -- Aug 08
Old Chris Craft- John Fryant -- May '10
Sterling Chris Craft 63' - Continued Bulding - Charley L -- Apr '06

Full Size
Atosis - 1907 Gold Cup Racer - Chinewalker -- Dec '10
47 BElle - norgale Aug '10
The "Key Largo" Yacht - norgale -Aug '10
Looking information about Thunderbird - METI -- Oct '05

Misc. / Other
Anyone else up for a woodie forum? - Nederlander -- Apr '10
Is there a Chris Craft modelers group? - Nederlander -- Sept 10
What do you want in a model boat magazine - Nederlander -- Apr '09 --- Question still applies & I'll try to impliment what you want here as I can.

Building Questions:
Question to anyone who has built the Dumas C-C Continental kit - Hoociemama -- Aug '10
Baby Bootlegger - james. wood -- Mar '10
Help needed with Dumas 1930 Chris Craft - bub9797 -- Mar '06


Building Techniques, Tips, Kinks and Technologies:

Hulls:
Fiberglass hull for 63' CC Connie available!
Hull-making, resin and fiber.. - Robse -- Apr '08

Drawings and Tracings:

Fiberglassing:
Fiberglass For Mahogany Hulls -- How To - by P. Tritle -- Feb '05 --- Highly Recommended
Fiberglassing Problem - by Tachikaze -- Mar '04
Wood or Fiberglass? - Monahan Steam -- May '09 --- Wood vs. Glass construction for hulls; Recommended, really a 'Must Read'
Does Bondo and the hardener have a shelf life?


Figures and Animatronics
Animatronic Pilot Figure in vk dr1 build - spikkkkkkkk - Nov '08 --- taking your Capt'n to the next level
Working Captain... - Bernhard BB -- Sept '10
Does anyone have any info about this rowboat? bgnome - Aug '10
Rowing? - pitviper51 -- Sept '10


Finishes:
Fiberglass For Mahogany Hulls -- How To - by P. Tritle -- Feb '05 --- Highly Recommended
Clear Coating Mahogany Hulls With Spar Varnish - by P. Tritle -- June '08
Sealing a wooden hull - by norgale -- Sept '08
Combine finishes for Chris Craft mahogany -- by mrosso -- Aug '10
how can I get this colour "wash"? - pmdevlin -- Dec '08
The Color of Teak - patmat -- Apr 07

Fittings & Hardware:
Water activated switch? - Apr '09
Plating brass parts - by Ed Crowell -- Apr '10
Dumas Chris-Craft Triple Cockpit Barrelback Runabout - oldtribefan -- Jun '07 -- oldtribefan's metalworking on the handmade cutwater.
Dumas Chris Craft Cobra - oldtribefan -- Jun '07 --- Making a jeweled metal dash and custom fittings.
Printing Parts Pat uses 3D printing for fittings
Nice steering wheel for your 1/8 scale boat - KMOT -- Feb '11

Powerplants
Kroker Engineering & Development Stuff - When only a classic motor will do in your classic wood!

Really Nice Touches:
Brownell boat stands - CG Bob -- Jan '11 --- building really nice, scale boat stands

Safety:

Tools: Hand:

Tools: Power:
Thickness Sanding with an Oscillating Spindle Sander

Vacuforming
Vacuum forming my way

Wood Bending and Forming:
Using Liquid Ammonia Cleansers to Bend Wood - craig_c -- Aug '10 (based on outside sources)



Sources:

Decals:
Callie Graphics....WOW!!! - papower -- Feb '08 - (Callie Graphics Website)
Decals! - Patmat2350 -- Jul '06 - (Bedlam Creations)

Fiberglassing Materials
Douglas and Sturgess Glass, resins, epoxies microballons, fillers, atomized metals,safety gear and tons more at great pricing.

Fittings and Hardware, Full Size
(know what the part looks like before you put the Dremel to the metal!)
California Classic Boats, Inc. Recommended by woodybob
Seas the BayRecommended by woodybob
Nice steering wheel for your 1/8 scale boat - KMOT -- Feb '11

Events, Upcoming:
WOODEN BOATS ON PARADE 2010, SFMYC, Spreckels Lake, Sunday, October 24, 2010 Link Here


Club, Event and Regatta/Fun Run Threads:
Hansen Dam Lake "Irregulars" Report, Lake View Terrace, Los Angeles, California
Hansen dam Violators (the 'Go-Fasty') boys, Lake View Terrace, Los Angeles, California
SAN FRANCISCO MODEL YACHT CLUB @ SPRECKELS LAKE: Power Runs and Events!!!, Golden Gate Park, San Francisco, California
Logan City Marine Modelers at Tygum Lagoon, Brisbane, Australia
Westport Mayhem, Potteries Model Boat Club, Westport Lake, Stoke on Trent, England
Montgomery Model Boat Club (MMBC) Report, Montgomery, Alabama
Castaways boat club "The Villages," Florida
Sailing On Plaza Park Pond (Sierra MYC), Visalia California
Central California Coast Model Boats - toesup June '09 --- Come on guys!! Youz can do it!!!
M@illine group from the Netherlands - Gotta' love their Lake!

Big Boat(1:1) Happenings & Reports:
Toledo OH boat show - PatricMichigan -- Aug '10
Toledo Wood Boat Show - CG Bob -- Aug '09
Orlando Antique boatshow pictures - Nederlander's Blog - Mar '10

The Annual Lake Tahoe Concours d'Elegance, Lake Tahoe, CA
Niagara Frontier Antique and Classic Boats

OffSite stuff:
The Yahoo Classic Wooden Boat Models Group
Matthews Model Marine - PatMat's Model Marine Articles and Site - Highly Recommended - Five Stars!
Chris Craft Models - LaBob's BEAUTIFUL, hand made, scratch built Chris Craft models.

Bobs Wood Boats - Bob Potrykus' Wooden Model Boats website -- Check it out!!



Last, but most assuredly not least, never, ever least is;
John's Nautical Links List
Humbly described by its compiler and maintainer, John Kohnen, as
The Mother Of All Maritime Links
* * Modeling A to M * * Modeling N to Z * *

It pretty much is!


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When starting a new “WOODIES Build” Thread…

1) Start your Build thread in the Scale Models Forum as normal with one change, put the word “WOODIES:” in the title as the first word. (You can also add the "WOODIES:" to the title of your older builds by using the Advanced Edit Screen.)
2) Place a single posting here in the Woodies “Super Thread” with a description of what you are up to with a few pictures. (Remember you can add up to 150 pictures to a single posting if you wish by using the “edit” function as time and your build progresses.)
3) Include a “link” to your build thread in your "announcement" posting.
4) I’ll also add a link in the Links section (posting 2)

Happy Building!!

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Posting Protocol for putting A Boat to WOODIES: Showcase / Show and Tell. –


Purpose: A separate thread to show ALL (or as many as possible) of the boats of the Woodies’ Community in a single comprehensive thread.

1) Post ONE Boat per Posting.
2) If you have multiple boats – post each boat in its own, separate post within the thread.
3) You can post as many as 10 to 12 pictures per boat/posting. (Action shots gooood!)
4) Include a brief history of the model and anything else you might think of (as long as it pertains to the boat… no politics Keep it under 120 thousand words, novels, OK – trilogies, no.
5) If there is an associated build thread, please include a link to it.



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And so the fun continues with... There is a need for - ANOTHER LIST (under construction)

WOODIE BUILD and GALLERY THREADS:
BY BUILDER!

(as I find 'em)
IF you feel that I have missed anything, PLEASE PM or email me and let me know! This list is by no mean finished or comprehensive at this point.

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Resources:
(on the web)
Museums and Collections


Enthusiast & Preservation Organizations

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Strictly kit and scratch builds?
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Strictly kit and scratch builds?
Well, since it's in it's infancy, what do you think? Personally, I kinda feel that the majority of stuff should be for model builders (any type) and owners. I do have a slight but real bias against RTRs of any kind, but... RTRs can be modded and brought up to snuff, I mean that's what "hot rodding" used to be all about! And besides, the folks with RTR are part of the community and can be brought to the light then also, there was your Venice 90 Hack.

Wouldn't have an issue on info / discussion on a full size boat or two...
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Damn it Kmot, you done complimiketed things an made me think - ouch!

(Seriously, this isn't my vanity thread, this is for folks who wanted a Woodies place. I want your input.)


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Cool. A secret society of woodie toy boat builders.
Datz 'zactly what I waz tinkin'
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I have nothing new to contribute but will post some pics of my old Sterling CC 63-Foot Motoryacht. I actually didn't build it but bought it in tough shape from a kid who had been given the model by an uncle. I refurbished/refinished the model including installation of the mahogany railing, rear deck windbreak curtains, hollowed out all leadloy light fittings, installed GOW bulbs. I also installed servo and cam operated microswitches to sequentially turn on deck, cabin and running lights, operate a bike horn, and swivel the searchlight. I carved people and crew figures, and added deck furniture and doll house accessories. I also have an unbuilt kit for the same model but have never started it.
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Craig, you're putting a lot of work into this, and I hope it pays off for you---.
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Craig, you're putting a lot of work into this, and I hope it pays off for you---.
Not for me, Kapt., for all of us...

I feel that Woodies are very special as a vessel type, but I also feel that breaking them away from Scale would hurt both the general community and the Woodies folks in the long run. This will be a good, functional compromise I think. The folks who like and build Woodies, even the specialists, have a place to go that's theirs and the general overall community doesn't loose their knowledge, skills or enthusiasm.

The strategy of a "master thread" or a "centralized thread" worked very well for the Springers (over 8000 posts as I write this).. What I am hoping for eventually here is a sticky under Scale. I'm surprised that one hasn't started for the Footies over in Sail yet.
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LOL, Martin. This isn't the only list/thread you've been mischevous on!
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Mischievous indeed---, Also bitter and twisted.

If you can't help, then don't hinder, better to say nothing at all---.
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MYTH: Bending Wood by Soaking in it Household Ammonia Solutions

Definitions:
Household Ammonia - A solution of ammonium hydroxide, (ammonia dissolved in water) of approximately 10 to 15% by weight, classed as a chemical irritant.
Ammonia-based cleansers are based on further dilutions of 10% ammonium hydroxide solutions and are significantly less potent.
The strongest possible solution at 60 °F is approximately 35% dissolved ammonia by weight.
Anything 15% or over is considered a corrosive and over 25% is considered a dangerous material / hazmat.

The temporary plasticizing and subsequent bending of wood using household or the stronger commercial grade liquid ammonia cleansers is, unfortunately for us, a myth. As it has been repeated a number of times on RCG/Boats, here is the reality. Nothing you can purchase as a cleanser has a high enough concentration of ammonia to fully plasticize the wood nor can the ammonia penetrate into the wood deeply enough into the wood in a dissolved state.

>>> UPDATE: ClassicBoats has apparently had some success using 29% ammonia and a 24 hour soak... More in his posting here.

The process is believed to be as follows; gaseous ammonia is absorbed by the materials that "glue" the wood cells together causing them to loose their adhesive qualities. With these bonds weakened, the cells slip and slide past another easily allowing the wood to take on new shapes. The woods is then held in place in the shape desired, usually in a jig. The cellular "glues" regain their former bonding properties as the ammonia outgasses from the wood into the surrounding atmosphere and the wood regains its strength, permanently retaining its new shape. In fact, it has been noted that wood so treated is denser and harder than prior to treatment.

However, one-hundred-percent pure, gaseous anhydrous ammonia (DANGER: Poison Gas) is required, as is a stainless-steel pressure chamber large enough to contain your wood while holding a pressurized, corrosive atmosphere of 100 to 150 psi above ambient pressure (see the accompanying PDF file of the article by Bill Keenan that appeared in Fine Woodworking Magazine and started it all).

Further, you need to set up a system to capture the waste gas and dissolve as much of the it as possible in water using a "bubbler" made from a 55-gallon drum filled with water that waste ammonia is bled through. You will never capture all if it, so expect your neighbors to raise a stink. As one might imagine, this is not for the casual DIYer unless you are going to be bending a great deal of wood; being in the country with neighbors at least a few hundred yards away helps too.

Here is an excerpt from another article on extreme woodbending: "Although it’s beyond the capabilities and needs of most do-it-yourselfers, it is also possible to make some extremely complex bends in wood using anhydrous ammonia, (not the common household cleaning products), but it is extremely dangerous, and requires specialized equipment. It also darkens many woods. You can get more information about this process from “Understanding Wood” by R. Bruce Hoadley at your library, or from most online bookstores, etc… Also from Fine Woodworking, issue number 30 dated 1981 Sept/Oct., article by Bill Keenan. Experiments with ammonia bending have been conducted at the University of Wisconsin in plasticizing (making pliable) wood, via immersion in gaseous anhydrous ammonia… the theory being that the ammonia is used as a solvent, and diffuses into the cell wall structure and disassembles the existing microscopic cell components producing a more pliable wood...as the solvent diffuses out of the wood the wood cell components bond in new positions and retain that shape. Steam does the same job but ammonia plasticizes more completely and quicker. The key is the word anhydrous (anhydrous means without water), so the ammonia being referred to is chemically pure ammonia… NH3 in gaseous form (and it boils at –28 degrees Fahrenheit). Keenan notes that household ammonia is a dilute solution of ammonia gas in water and will not bend wood; however, although I have not tried it, a stronger concentration of ammonia is available from suppliers for use in blueprinting processes. Keenan and the U of Wisconsin procedure is done in a treatment chamber (autoclave) for introducing ammonia gas into woods...at 130 psi into a stainless steel container welded to withstand 800 psi of pressure. A combination of gaseous ammonia and steam is fed into a cylindrical container that the wood to be bent is placed in, exposing the wood for about 45 min. and it comes out like limp spaghetti. Working time to bend and shape plasticized wood is now about 15 minutes."

For future reference...
Here are a couple of archived forums from the Furniture Makers Society.

http://www.furnituresociety.org/dc/d...d=50&mode=full
http://www.furnituresociety.org/dc/d...1199&mode=full

Edit: Sept 03, '10 - Added chapter from Wood Handbook on "Specialty Treatments" of wood. First two pages are on bending.
Edit: Sept 07, '10 - Added MSDS sheets and a couple of suppliers of laboratory grade solution.
Edit: Sept 10, '10 - Added medical / exposure link
Edit: April 13, '11 - Added link to ClassicBoats write-up of his experience with a 29% ammonia solution and mahogany.

Medical
eMedicine (WebMD) - Ammonia Toxicity
Medline Plus - Ammonium hydroxide poisoning
Univ. of Maryland Medical Center - Ammonium Hydroxide Poisoning

The "real" thing....
http://secure.sciencecompany.com/Amm...P6379C670.aspx
http://www.coleparmer.com/catalog/pr...sp?sku=8822010
http://www.onlinesciencemall.com/Sho...d/0/rid/126318

Links of possible interest:
Veritas® Steam-Bending Instruction Booklet
Furniture Maker Tai-Workshop's Wood Bending Page
Heritage Boat Restoration using Cold-Bend™ Hardwood
Marine Applications with Compwood™

Do a Youtube search using "Wood Bending with Compwood - Compressed Hardwood" - Yields some really interesting vids. Watch a 2x4 nearly pretzeled!



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Myth???? Someone needs to tell the model airplane guys it can't be done, I built several model airplane tail structures by laminating thin strips of wood both balsa and spruce after being soaked in common ammonia. It works quite well, it may be dependent on the type of wood, but most woods for model use it works fine. I just took a length of pvc pipe and caped the bottom permantly and used a cap for the top, kept the stink to a minimum. Let is soak for a couple of hours and then bend the wood around a form, let it dry the soak again with thinned yellow glue, makes a very strong and light structure. Used the same process to bend the mohagany rub rail and cockpit coaming on my steam launch.

Sorry not a myth.

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I've heard that heat is the key, regardless of the method, Ie an iron on high heat will work as well as a steam bending rig.

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Clothes steamers work well.
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I've heard about using an ammonia solution to bend wood for years, but have never found the need to try it out. I've also heard of soaking the wood in fabric softener---.

Craig may probably be right, in that household cleaners don't have enough ammonia to be very effective in making wood pliable.

And Nick has a point about the application of heat onto well-soaked wood---.

So somewhere in all of this, may there be a safe and effective method---?
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For planes, we make wing-tip and tail surface "bows" by soaking balsa strips in water for an hour or so, then cya one end tape it to the form and pull the inner strip around a form and tape it in position. Next apply white glue and pull the outer strip around the inner strip and tape in position., let glue dry naturally or heat form, etc., in microwave for a couple of minutes. This same method should work for mahogany strips, etc. maybe soaking in ammonia instead of water. Mahogany tends to buckle when making sharp bends as I recall when making railings.
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Then there is the type of wood to be bent. I'm not seeing mahogany on this particular list.

Stock Selection
The U.S. Forest Service has tested 25 hardwood species for relative bending quality. The best 17 woods are shown here.
This ranking is the results from one evaluation; variation in the results can be expected from tree to tree and site to site.

White Oak (Best)
Hackberry
Red oak
Chestnut oak
Magnolia
Pecan
Black walnut
Hickory
Beech
Elm
Willow
Birch
Ash
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May I graciously suggest you purchase a copy of the "Wooden Runabout Restoration Guide" by Don Danenberg to learn how real boat builders bend wood, and build steaming equipment.

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Myth???? Someone needs to tell the model airplane guys it can't be done, I built several model airplane tail structures by laminating thin strips of wood both balsa and spruce after being soaked in common ammonia. It works quite well, it may be dependent on the type of wood, but most woods for model use it works fine. I just took a length of pvc pipe and caped the bottom permantly and used a cap for the top, kept the stink to a minimum. Let is soak for a couple of hours and then bend the wood around a form, let it dry the soak again with thinned yellow glue, makes a very strong and light structure. Used the same process to bend the mohagany rub rail and cockpit coaming on my steam launch.

Sorry not a myth.

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This 1/2" (!) half round in poplar was bent to shape after soaking in straight household ammonia... it was still a b1tch, but it bent. Now, maybe it would have bent just as easily after soaking in cold water for a couple hours, I dunno...
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Real boat builders don't want to buy ammonia in 50 gallon drums, when they can easily build a steamer. Hobbyists don't want to build steamers, when a PVC pipe with a pint of ammonia will do the job quite easily (apparently).
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This 1/2" (!) half round in poplar was bent to shape after soaking in straight household ammonia... it was still a b1tch, but it bent. Now, maybe it would have bent just as easily after soaking in cold water for a couple hours, I dunno...
Pat,
1/2" is very thick to bend, I would have tried laminated 1/2 x 1/8" strips, maybe even use a 1/4 x 1/8" strip on the outside and then shape after bending and glueing. Just a different way.

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I bought both volumes read 1/2 way though the first book and decided restoring a full size boat was not what I wanted to do, sounded good at first but too much going on with my life to put that much time into a project.

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More on Ammoniated Wood Bending

Hmmmm... Didn't expect to stir things up, but ok... anyway...

Back when I first heard about ammoniated bending of wood in modeling circles (years ago) I was skeptical as I had read the '81 Keenen article (still have it in my library) so I tried it on pine, balsa, mahogany and walnut using the strongest stuff I could find. Basically, my results were no better than warm water and definitely less than what could be accomplished with adequate steaming or very hot water soaking.

I have to admit that I was quite disappointed in this result as I knew you could literally tie wood into knots after proper treatment (visions of bowlines and clove hitches in walnut ). My current understanding is that there are two basic processes, one, the gaseous method already discussed, where the wood is exposed to a 100% ammonia atmosphere and one using pure liquid anhydrous ammonia. This would mean that the process must be carried out at temperatures below -29°F (Ammonia boiling point is -28.012 °F / −33.34 °C.) "Understanding wood: a craftsman's guide to wood technology By R. Bruce Hoadley" from the folks at Taunton Press, states that "Depending on the permeability of the species, treatment takes from one-half hour for 1/16-in veneers to many hours for ¾-in lumber."

Either way, the anhydrous ammonia technology is beyond most of us due to the temperatures involved, the danger of the material or handling the effluents. Maybe if I lived out in the boonies without neighbors, I might experiment for the gaseous method but as I live in a urban area, I don't want to anger my nice, long-suffering neighbors or attract the attention of the local environmental watchdogs. Even then though, the equipment investment would put me off, stainless isn't cheap and welding something to handle at least 10 atmospheres is more expensive still.

There are a number of bending processes out there, but most are either old... we hopefully know about them, or covered by patents, so no one who would know would be willing to discuss their trade secrets. I do know of one that uses hydrazine... we do NOT want to go there!!!!

Basically, it seems that the most reliable ways we have for plasticizing wood involve heating it whither by steam, indirect methods such as flame heated metal or heating pads or via microwave. The luthiers (Guild of American Luthiers) have come up with a number of tricks over the centuries and most of them are applicable to modeling as they are generally working on the same scale of thicknesses as we are.

An interesting bent wood solution, by the way, is called Bendywood. Interestingly, it's made without using chemicals - perfect for Europe (it's from Italy). I haven't obtained a sample, but the wood allegedly becomes permanently pliable.

One citation/article I would like to see, but haven't been able conveniently find a copy of as yet is:

Liquid Ammonia-Solvent Combinations in Wood Plasticization. Chemical Treatments
Conrad Schuerch, M. P. Burdick, Miroslav Mahdalik
I&EC Product Research and Development 1966 5 (2), 101-105


Just my obnoxious sense of curiosity...
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You are making this a lot harder than it is. Are you trying something in particular for a certain project? What are you trying to make?

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It's just something that I got (overly?) interested in years ago while chasing down different techniques for modeling and crafts-type woodworking like bow making and lutherie.

As I said before... 'sense of curiosity.'
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Real boat builders don't want to buy ammonia in 50 gallon drums, when they can easily build a steamer. Hobbyists don't want to build steamers, when a PVC pipe with a pint of ammonia will do the job quite easily (apparently).
My wifes steam cleaner works really well! Just don't tell her I use it........
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Hello Craig C. I'm glade you'r looking at TONY CHIBOUCAS's EDNA. Tony's 8 foot connie. Tony and I were long time friends. I worked with tony from the beging on the project, I alot of info regetfuly lost pictures in a fire a while back but have some notes and schetches, and A very Wonderful memery.Maybe I can help with you'r poject I like what you'r doing. I been boating since 50's and have had good fortune go to Spreckels Lake many times in past years. Email redcraftmodels@hotmail.com Regards Red.
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We are close to having a set of stations for Aphrodite 3 so I will be doing some serious bending but having used ammonia back in the late 80's, early 90's I am pretty much convinced it is more hassle than help. Steam, heat, thickness and wood type are the key players.
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I worked a couple of summers when I was younger with the local Parks and Rec, Part of the job was maintenance at some of the ice rinks. A couple of them used ammonia as a refrigerant. When you were working on the equipment you had a Scott Pack for everyone involved, you didn't have to wear it, but it had to be within reach. I think that that ammonia would have been strong enough to curl wood. Personally I have always ether steamed of soaked wood.
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I worked a couple of summers when I was younger with the local Parks and Rec, Part of the job was maintenance at some of the ice rinks. A couple of them used ammonia as a refrigerant. When you were working on the equipment you had a Scott Pack for everyone involved, you didn't have to wear it, but it had to be within reach. I think that that ammonia would have been strong enough to curl wood. Personally I have always ether steamed of soaked wood.
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That was the right stuff alright, Gerald! Pure anhydrous ammonia!
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That was the right stuff alright! Pure anhydrous ammonia!
If you look at the tank that anhydrous ammonia is stored in you will see a big Hazmat sticker. Ran blueprint machines briefly before the ascendency of ocee printing. One of the jerk administrators came in one day when the fumes were so thick you could barely breathe and made the profound statement that it was the same stuff you put in your food, (i.e. fertilizer). So much for a college degree. The guy was so stupid he didn't even know what he didn't know.
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Added some more threads to the Threads List above.

I also added some more books to the books list as well as started linking them so you can find them more easily if you want a copy or if you want to know if your local library has a copy in the stacks. Use the WorldCat (A world-wide, linked library system) link on the review pages.

Keep sending me those links and threads guys... I'll get 'em up.

ps... I'm a touch behind in my email... Lost a couple of teeth on Friday so been taking the weekend a bit slow... I'm get back in touch with you within a couple of days.

Thanks for all the assistance,
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Good going Craig. We need a thread like this and I for one am very happy to see it here. Pete
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$10,500 is a lot of money for what won't even amount to a load of firewood. It would be easier to start from scratch, maybe not any cheaper but easier.

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Must be a nice job to build it as a model...
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Doesn't look all that bad but 10k is way out there for what I see here. Maybe 2k at the most if the trailer goes with it. Pete
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Here's a "woodie" I'm starting. The drawing is a plan of the outside shape of the hull which I drew last night. Later I was looking for an old yacht about 120 feet long and came up with the Mariner lll which happens to have about the same shape as the hull I drew at 122 feet long and 20 feet wide.. My hull will be two feet narrower and two feet shorter but that will hardly be noticed.
I will use the Mariner lll as an example of a yacht from the 1920's along with several other yachts to get what I consider a nice looking yacht from the 20's. Sort of a composite model and not of any specific yacht.
If anyone happens to come across any pictures of the Mariner lll or her sister ship Infanta I'd appreciate a link to what you find.
Anyway the hull plan is drawn so now it's time for the hull elevation or side view. Don't know what the bottom of a yacht like this should look like so unless a picture shows up along the way I'll be winging it. All CONSTRUCTIVE criticism is welcome so long as you offer a solution to the percieved problem. Pete
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Like you, Pete, I like the covered fantail on the model in the second picture. It really adds to the yachtlike look of the model. Looking forward to this next build of yours. Any idea of what scale or size she'll be?
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Hey Pete here's a quick hack... grab em.

I'll delete after you switch 'em
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A little info, the Miss Ann pictured above had her bow modified by an owner. Her original bow was much more blunt.
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Super cool project Pete. Here are a couple of my favorite old yachts.
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Deerleap

I used to go to Long Beach Marina and drool at Deerleap, here's her website:

http://www.mvdeerleap.com/

She's got the fantail, bow shape and cabin structure that embody the styling that fascinate me. I ride a 1948 Indian Chief m/c, love Stinson Reliant aircraft and have always been fascinated by 20's and 30's styling. Born too late to see or ride in a dirigible.
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Predreadnut those are great pictures. Certainly a lot of good design material for any model. Thanks for posting. Pete
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Like you, Pete, I like the covered fantail on the model in the second picture. It really adds to the yachtlike look of the model. Looking forward to this next build of yours. Any idea of what scale or size she'll be?
1/4" = 1 foot and will be right at 30",twin screw with a diesel sound so far.
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I used to go to Long Beach Marina and drool at Deerleap, here's her website:

http://www.mvdeerleap.com/

She's got the fantail, bow shape and cabin structure that embody the styling that fascinate me. I ride a 1948 Indian Chief m/c, love Stinson Reliant aircraft and have always been fascinated by 20's and 30's styling. Born too late to see or ride in a dirigible.
E-challanged thats a really nice boat. The Deerleap is just the sort of boat I'd like to have for myself. Man the Navy sure knew how to mess up a nice yacht. Glad to see that it's back to original now. Pete
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You look at some of the prices at that dealer and you'll see some really outrageous money for some boats. He has always been pretty high priced. Pete
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You look at some of the prices at that dealer and you'll see some really outrageous money for some boats. He has always been pretty high priced. Pete
oh I'm sure! he even states that the entire thing needs to be scraped and rebuilt holding onto the fittings and one bulkhead with the serial number or something..

poor boat looks like it was pulled out from the bottom of a swamp somewhere! id be surprised if he had a legitimate tittle sell it! that's..that right there is drift wood! lol!
I can go down to the Richmond yacht basin and claim any number of decent boats right now for little more than the arrears dock fee!

mien gott! the man is selling a ratty trailer and a serial number for around 0.5 of what it would cost me to commission and build a real steam launch!
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This would be a good place for any of you to post your favorite old boat pictures. They would always be great for reference especially to superstructures. I'm still looking for some bottom pics of any old yachts to get an idea how they were built below the water line. Pete
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I found one picture that gives some idea how an old yacht looks below the water line. This picture is posted by Predreadnut and it shows the bottom pretty well. Need some more views though. Pete
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Added some new Woodie links to the Links lists.
Started a new Showcase / Show and Tell Thread.
Made a couple of additions to the Housekeeping posts.

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I think this thread should be made a "sticky" so it doesn't get sucked up in the whirlpool of old threads and disappear. Craig has gone to a lot of trouble to gather all this info into one place and there IS a lot of info here that is extremely useful to those of us who like building the old Woodie boats.
There is a ton of info out there that still has to be added to this thread and another ton of pictures that will eventually come to light that will be important to future Woodie builders.
Every year that goes by these yachts become more obscure and the information about them tends to slowly disappear. This thread will go a long way towards preserving this information and will be useful to book writers, researchers as well as modelers. It's already full of documentation on several of the "good old boats" and is bound to accumulate much more.
We need a place to save all this documentation and a sticky would be ideal for that purpose.
So in the interest of restoring the real boats and that of model makers in general I would like to request that the sticky be authorized by the administrators for the benefit of the hobby in general and the old Woodie yachts in particular.
So what needs to be done? Pete
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Yeeeaaa! WE got our sticky. Now we won't have to search all over the place to find it. Good work Craig. Pete
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I just have to say that this thread is awesome. I have learnt more about Woodies and boat building in general reading it than from all of the searching I have done in the past.
My wife is pushing me to make some sort of cruiser as she is not happy with all of the planking and brass I have painted on my workboats.
This thread is just the help I needed to not only pick a style but get started on it.
Thanks for the great work Craig.

Ian.

p.s. Be on the lookout for a "Le Chaton" build in the not too distant future.
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Way to go Ian. Do you have any boats that you have already built that you can post pictures of? WE are big on pictures here because a lot of us can't read. Well we can but we'd rather look at pictures.
Anyway welcome to the forum and looking forward to your next build. By the way,what's a "Le Chaton"? Pete
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If any subject deserves to become a ''sticky'' this one does, glad to see it.
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Give yourselves a pat on the back guys... you're the ones who's support is making the good things happen... NOW POST SOME WOODIES!!!
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http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1305974 Pete
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Way to go Ian. Do you have any boats that you have already built that you can post pictures of? WE are big on pictures here because a lot of us can't read. Well we can but we'd rather look at pictures.
Anyway welcome to the forum and looking forward to your next build. By the way,what's a "Le Chaton"? Pete
Here is one that floats.

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showt...light=lady+lou

Le Chaton, or as it will likely be La Chaton means The Kitten, most probably will be nasty beast any way I build it.
Going to be a 1/16 Bridge Cruiser, based loosely on a Bluebird of Chelsea hull finished bright with my own superstructure.
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You want woodies? Check this out and no drooling on the keyboard. Pete
CYA Salute Cruise.mov (5 min 16 sec)
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I wish people who film classic machines, such as the boats, would record the audio of the machines working.

sigh....
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I thought the missing sound was a miss too. The pictures are good though.
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That isn't fairplay Pete, now there is too many options to choose from, just in case you didn't notice the videos at the bottom.

Ian
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Heh heh. I noticed but I also noticed that the stupid movie stops every ten seconds to upload some more video. I hate that and don't know how to fix it.
SO IF YA CAN'T CHOSE ONE THEN BUILD 'EM ALL. HA! Pete
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Who? Me? What?
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Craig your gonna get awful tired of building runabouts. In the interest of helping you out you can send me one of those kits. Ha! Pete
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Roflmao!!!
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Wow, I really enjoyed that. I just realized, I've never seen antique motoryachts underway before.
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Kmot makes a good point about the missing sound; it would be a vital part of the 'presentation' if it were there.
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im pretty sure most of them sound like an old marine deisel burbling along with the water cooled exhaust. less a gentle hum, but more of a ... burble,
at least at that speed.. increase the engine RPM and the speed and it will smooth out. but in this case.. a low frequency hum and .. burble.
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Well I'll be burbled. Who would a thunk it? Pete
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This weekend guys!!! Who's a-goin'??


The eighth bi-annual
WOODEN BOATS ON PARADE 2010

Sunday, October 24, 2010 from 9:00 AM to 4:00 PM.
at Spreckels Lake


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Photos from WBOP '10 ...
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Download your entry form here.
Download a Informational Flyer here.
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For further information see the Club's Web Site


Get directions for Spreckels Lake here.
The Spreckels Lake Thread here.

Remember the Power Squadron runs every Sunday from 10:00 to 13:00 (steam and electric only)
Nitro powered boats, Saturdays 10:00 to 13:00 (Park & Rec Rules)
Come on out and join the fun!

Pictures and a thread on the 2008 Wooden Boats on Parade.
Pictures and a thread on the 2006 Wooden Boats on Parade.
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Please spread the word to your fellow club members and friends to come on out to Wooden Boats on Parade, rain or shine.

It'll be fun!
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A couple of my restorations

Here are some shots of my 1:1 scale restorations. My family has been restoring boats as a hobby for over 40 years. Enjoy, Syd
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Woody: A wooden hulled, usually varnished mahogany, powered boat, usually a pleasure, commuter, runabout, racer, cruiser or launch from the "Golden Age of Boating" or the post-war "Classic Age of Boating."
Probably a dumb question...

My Hornet is non scale.. but is a 'post war' Woody...
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=890616
Does that qualify to get in to the build list?..
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Does that qualify to get in to the build list?...
You just have to bring these oversights to my attention... It is in the list as a semi-scratch build.

And the word is "free-style" or "stand off style" (Though "whatever works and looks sweet" works too )
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WOODIE P0RN!!!! gack! I am in lust!!!!

Thank you for posting those Syd!! Wow
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Speaking of 1:1 Woodies...

The dates for the 2011 Lake Tahoe Concours d'Elegance have been set for AUGUST 12-13.

Anybody wanna' go this year??
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Those boats are beautiful. Thanks for the pics Syd and thanks to your family for restoring some of the greatest old boats of all time. Pete
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Beautiful restoration work. Love those boats!
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1951 Disapearing propeller boat

Here is another one of my restorations
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Jeeze Syd! Can't ya turn that one over? My neck is killing me looking at it.
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MKC Syd...

Would you like me to do a photo-shop flip on those pictures for you?? Be more than happy to...

Craig
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Yes I sure would. Pete
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Yes please go ahead and turn the pictures for me. Not enough nuts and bolts to turn on these computers to figure that stuff out yet. Thanks, Syd
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Syd if you go to where you keep your pictures on your computer and click on the picture to enlarge it,there should be curved arrows at the bottom that will let you turn the picture in the direction of the arrow. Then when you go back to your pictures the computer should save the picture in whatever attitude you turned it. Give it a try.
I wouldn't have mentioned the sideways picture except that I wanted to look at it some more and my neck doesn't twist all that good anymore. Thanks. Pete
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Thanks, That is how we learn, Syd
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OK, I think that I have this figured out so this should help your necks out. I have also added another of the Hacker Craft and one of a outboard race boat that is original. Enjoy
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Oh yes! That's so muchbetter. Thanks Syd. Such fine looking boats. Too bad they don't make 'em like that anymore. Pete
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Here's a pic for you guys.
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That's a great picture Kmot. Any info on when it was taken or where? Looks like the 42' Corvette but doesn't look 42' long. Life Magazine? .
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Here's the info Pete:

http://images.google.com/hosted/life...26tbs%3Disch:1
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Hi Kmot,

That's a great looking Chris..

-Rich.
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