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Old Dec 03, 2010, 09:16 AM
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Looking good Kerry! I like the look of the air brakes and the LED lights! You've easily got as much throw on the rudder as I do and it will be plenty. I can't wait to read your first flight report. It's getting tougher and tougher now to get both the time and the right conditions with winter breathing down our necks though...

With that said, I may attempt a flight in a couple of hours as the winds are down somewhat. I'll have to use the good ol RC glove though as it's too darned cold..

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Old Dec 03, 2010, 12:12 PM
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Thanks Robbie, I picked up the high vis. fluorescent orange paint at lunch, now to find a place to paint.
Good luck with getting out, way too cold for my skinny butt. I need a "pilot" mitt :-)
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Old Dec 03, 2010, 01:41 PM
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Pic of the tow concealed type hinges.

I managed to Loosenthe Hinge line on the rudder so I'm also
adding new Pinned hinges in two places.

I might not get much more throw but it will be Tight and effective.
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Old Dec 04, 2010, 04:30 PM
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One eavening of taping and one painting but it will be easy to see. :-)
Time to order a spinner and a 50 AMP ESC. That should put my C/G right where it needs to be.
#@&%-)* cold weather.
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Old Dec 04, 2010, 05:02 PM
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Looking good Kerry! I'm with you with the &^$%#@$ cold!

It may still be possible to get a decent day to get a maiden flight though.. just not probable..

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Old Dec 04, 2010, 08:02 PM
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After a lot of fussing around I managed to get the new Wiggle hinge in place.

The Glue is setting up as I write.

Easy to See !!! Yeah ! from 1/2 mile away !!!
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Old Dec 04, 2010, 10:31 PM
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Between the weather and xmas it is unlikely I will get out but I have a 60 AMP ESC I can use to test with.

Anybody having any cooling issues (PETE?)? Just wondering as there is no cooling air OUTLET provided.

Bob, is your new wiggle thingy nylon ?

Easy to see is good for me :-) >>lights too.
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Old Dec 05, 2010, 08:35 AM
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Between the weather and xmas it is unlikely I will get out but I have a 60 AMP ESC I can use to test with.

Anybody having any cooling issues (PETE?)? Just wondering as there is no cooling air OUTLET provided.

Bob, is your new wiggle thingy nylon ?

Easy to see is good for me :-) >>lights too.
I've only done my single maiden flight and it was cold that day so no cooling issues. My ASW 28 had no air intake or exhaust holes at all and I did fly that in warm weather and had no cooling issues. That's if you fly her like a glider though in that you'll only need 1 minute bursts of power tops and then sail for 5 minutes or (usually) much more. If you fly her on the motor where it's running all the time there might be some heat issues? If that's the way you like to fly, it's really easy to provide some air cooling.

I think I need a winter home in Australia for year round flying.

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Old Dec 05, 2010, 08:42 AM
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After a lot of fussing around I managed to get the new Wiggle hinge in place.

The Glue is setting up as I write.

Easy to See !!! Yeah ! from 1/2 mile away !!!
Please let us know what you get for throws when everything settles in. I might seek out a few of the hinges like you're using now should I ever buy a second one of these motorgliders. This would be a much easier modification.

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Old Dec 05, 2010, 11:49 AM
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Robbie: you are probably right on the cooling thing (and nobody is complaining either).

I like your idea of going to Australia for some flying. Hey Bob, you comming with us??
Should we tell Pete, or just surprise him :-)
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Old Dec 05, 2010, 12:43 PM
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My biggest concern re going Flying to AU is
Getting My Stuff There and Frequency/Radio concerns.

I suppose you could Pick UP an ARF at and LHS


The Wiggle Hinge seems to work great,
It is Much more Solid feeling that the original.
Of course the Two OTHER new Hinges help to achieve that also.

I will also say that it's not absolutely necessary to split the Fin.
If the old hinge can be loosened you can pull it out along with the control wire.
Just dont pull the wire All the way out !!!

However, I have some reservations against recommendation because,

The Metal part of the "GOOD" wiggle hinge is quite brittle.
The stock control wire is ~ .72mm - ~ .03" so ...
I tried Drilling with a tiny drill Bit, after Flattening the existing threads "a little",
and as the bit came out the other side it pretty much just shattered the "wiggler".
This happened twice :-( "toast one hinge"
I finally just used a piece of plastic and screwed it onto the threaded rod after shortening it. But there were also clearance issues, both effect travel.

Also the plastic that makes it so Good is also VERY slippery
and hard to get glue to stick.

Lastly great care must be taken to get the Wiggel End glued in the
exact center of the Rudder that you've removed.
I can state without reservation that I ...
Did not exercise as much care as necessary ! :-(
The result is more throw to one side than the other - sigh ...

Yeah yeah I can fix it.

It'll be OK - No Knife edgeing wth this bird anyway.
I'll use the rudder for coordinated turns and not expect too much.

tired of reading yet ? :-)

C U L8r

Bob
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Old Dec 05, 2010, 01:45 PM
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Looks good Bob, that should be enough travel for this plane. I have about 3>4 times that, but only so that i can get the horz. stab off. I don't even use the rudder unless it's for ground steering.

I have a question about "Coordinated turns". I usually set up the radio to apply a little rudder in the "same direction as the turn" when using ailerons. Is this the right way to do it ??

People don't get tired of reading when it's interesting :-)
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Old Dec 05, 2010, 02:12 PM
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A coordinated turn is one in which the airplane CARVES thru the turn
without Slipping outwards or sliding inwards.

UP Aileron tends to Drag the wing tip Back, which is opposite of the way you want to go.
That is the point of Differential in aileron throw.

Or just correct it with a little rudder input.

In a full sized airplane you can Feel It but in models not so much.

You have the right idea, as you stated in you post.

Doing Aero tows we turn off the rudder coupling since we dont need or want any
sliding around back on the tow end of the rope.

Then after release you can turn on the rudder coupling.
It's hard to See the effect at great soaring distances so the mixing helps even if you cant see it.

Or Just remember to feed in a little rudder when using the ailerons.

That's all it is just a little rudder.
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Old Dec 05, 2010, 05:10 PM
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Thanks Bob I think I am getting it.

""A coordinated turn is one in which the airplane CARVES thru the turn
without Slipping outwards or sliding inwards""
Is this saying that it can depend on the plane ? You may need to add rudder into or out from the turn to keep the plane tracking properly. ?
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Old Dec 05, 2010, 06:09 PM
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yup ! I think you have it !

As with everything, ya just have to be there and make corrections
as they are necessary.

You're not going to fall out of the air if you dont.

And You wont notice that much difference when flying if you dont do it
but in a head to head competition or quest for efficiency it will make a diff.

"Step On The Ball"

That's the little instrument panel read out with the swinging ball at the bottom.

If the Ball is on the Right - Step on the Right rudder Peddle to get the ball centered and vice versa.

Should I be charging for Ground Instruction time ? :-)
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