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Old Aug 21, 2010, 12:30 AM
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Who will be the first reliable $500 AV/AP ARF Quad?

Ok, let me try & summarize the wealth of information on the first sticky thread.

I have been reading up on multi-rotors for quite a while now & it's been quite an amusing read.

These are my opinions & it is best suited for MY purpose.

I come from an e-heli background & I mainly fly 450's & 500's.
I fly quite ok, in the level of ground inverted in all orientations & high chaotic piro flips. Recently thought of going the AP/AV route & in the process of converting my 450 & 500 for that purpose.

I believe a quad can do stuff single rotors can't, to be able to get shots from all angles(piloting skills required) safely & with a smaller "footprint".

We all know what ARF's did to the hobby world & this here is no exception.

Requirements would be to carry a 350gr payload, self leveling, height hold, stabilized cam mount & it should be able to do it consistently with proper maintenance.

My electronics knowledge can be summed up easily, I cannot solder. However, I can explain the lactic acid cycle, it's sodium/calcium channels & how it affects our autonomic nervous system.

Needless to say, I prefer plug, setup & play.
As opposed to solder, assemble, program, be an engineer(nothing wrong being an engineer), plug, setup & play.

So that leaves out the MK's, KapteinKuks, Arduino's, Aeroquads, UAVP/X, Paparazzi's, etc...

The best among these is the HoverFly/Quadpowered board. The new ones are just around the corner & if it delivers as advertised, could be the best kick-ass system to date. (for my needs)


Still, it would be nice to have a reliable, proven, 95% worry free, 500usd mark ARF kit. The 5% is for scratching ur head on troubleshooting & setup.


"IF" money was no object, I would go for a Draganflyer X6 or X8. Or a rtf fully loaded MK Hexa. BUT...


So let's see what we've got....


Gaui 330x
- The love/hate quad.
Rushed, beta tested by unknowing pilots, fly's Ok.
Setup is paramount on anything & I believe the guys who knew what they were doing got it to fly. There's guys that knew what they were doing but got lemons, then there were guys that simply does not know what they were doing & remains that way. So you get a well mixed hodgepodge of reviews.
Better QC, further testing & UPGRADES will put it in the 500usd mark which I think what they intended to do in the first place, the 350usd was just an intro, smart marketing gaui. If they could retain it at $350 & sort out all the niggles, then we have a champ. I don't think that will happen, I would love for it to. Just near me.


Conrad Quad - The break ur frame in a soft crash quad.
Not available stateside they say, so not much reviews. Around $500 with accel, I'm wondering why it's not replicated in a much better package, it seems flimsy, looks nice though. Far from me.


Arducopter - The we have photos of the kit & un-boxing quad.
This looks to be promising but no reviews yet. It does look solid. It is an Arduino based board so I think programming still needs to be done, I believe I can handle that. Far from me, but if they have a Hong Kong dealer, that would be good.


X650 - The X600 upgrade supposedly GPS capable quad.
Looks really good so far, though kinda lanky. I hope it hits the 500 usd mark. If this is just Hk based, it is near me. Seems to get passable stable vids on the flight test.


Gress Aero nvader 600 - Not a quad. The redundancy system of multi rotors is not applicable, it fly's stable though. Far from me.

I don't know if a quad, when it encounters a motor out, can fly itself to the ground, but it would really be a nice feature.
A hexa can do it based on KapteinKuks hexa vid with one motor out.


***Just in***

LotusRC T580 - We got some photos, a video and 25 very eager beta testers.
Reviews will surely follow.




Guess that is a very limited choice for now. The way I see it, the $500 arf AV/AP quad market is still up for grabs.


In the meantime, I wait. I believe I could make good headway on my introduction to AV/AP using my existing helis.


Sometimes reading these threads is like watching soap operas, either you ignore it or laugh at it.
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Old Aug 21, 2010, 02:47 AM
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this one just pop on the market....

http://www.maximus-racing.com/fr/maxicopters/s_080.html


thinking about giving it a go.
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Old Aug 21, 2010, 02:57 AM
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The last posted machine weighs in at about 350g and on 2S 850mAh lipo it definitely is not powerful enought to lift an additional 350g.

Re the first post, maybe connect with the PhiFun shop in Thailand (http://www.phifun.com/eshop/, run by jpheli in the RC Groups forum) which is closer to the Phillipines than most other and quite heavilly involved with the AeroQuad/ArduCopter development. My understanding is that there currently are no plans to bring out an RTF ArduCopter through the DIY Drones shop. But I do expect some sources to evolve which will offer made to order / standard packages of (A)RTF machines at some point, responding to market request.
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Old Aug 21, 2010, 09:31 AM
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this one just pop on the market....

http://www.maximus-racing.com/fr/maxicopters/s_080.html


thinking about giving it a go.
Yeah that too. Thanks.
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Old Aug 21, 2010, 09:34 AM
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The last posted machine weighs in at about 350g and on 2S 850mAh lipo it definitely is not powerful enought to lift an additional 350g.

Re the first post, maybe connect with the PhiFun shop in Thailand (http://www.phifun.com/eshop/, run by jpheli in the RC Groups forum) which is closer to the Phillipines than most other and quite heavilly involved with the AeroQuad/ArduCopter development. My understanding is that there currently are no plans to bring out an RTF ArduCopter through the DIY Drones shop. But I do expect some sources to evolve which will offer made to order / standard packages of (A)RTF machines at some point, responding to market request.
Thanks for pointing this. Will check them out.
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Old Sep 22, 2010, 09:07 PM
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A few months have passed and i'm wondering if you have you got a multirotor of your choice already? mine is now flying with the UAV features slowly coming to life (payload is just 200g). Soon, I shall convert it into a hex or octo config to be able to carry heavier payloads (camera, and much better battery). Based on what I have achieved so far, I think your 500usd budget could not get you the features you are looking for... Anyway, mine is based on the "Ardupirates". here is my indoor test video.
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I am glad that the best systems require effort to get them built. It separates the men from the boys.
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I am glad that the best systems require effort to get them built. It separates the men from the boys.
but what about the ones in between just growing pubes like myself??? lol AND GIRLS!
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but what about the ones in between just growing pubes like myself??? lol AND GIRLS!
You guys will just bring the prices I can charge for my stunning work down.
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You guys will just bring the prices I can charge for my stunning work down.
naaa somehow i think you will be quite safe bruv if that way of thinking were true there would be an ASDA in every town..... oh wait a minute there almost is lol
ok so there is an ASDA but more importantly there's also a MARKS and SPENCER in most towns too (nicknamed MARKS EXPENSIVE some even use the F word in between) and we still go there every now and then when we just wanna treat ourselves
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Old Feb 19, 2011, 10:32 PM
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Based on what I have achieved so far, I think your 500usd budget could not get you the features you are looking for... Anyway, mine is based on the "Ardupirates". here is my indoor test video.
My sentiments exactly.
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I am glad that the best systems require effort to get them built. It separates the men from the boys.
Yes. Let the boys build it for the men.
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I hate to be the bearer of bad tidings but it's not how much money you throw at something like this that gets the best results. Picasso could have had the best paint in the world but if he didn't know which end of the brush to hold it would have all been for not.
I've seen some stunning aerial photography and video from lowly Slow Sticks and Easy Stars, and some horrible examples from planes that cost thousands. It's all in the skill of the person taking the photos.
I don't care if your quad costs 200 or 2,000 dollars. If you don't have an eye for composition or lighting or framing all the money you throw at that dazzling technology might as well be spent on a roll of the dice at the local casino.
Personally I've seen the best video and ap coming from the people that spend the most time actually flying and not simply feeding their own massive egos. Some of us have been at this ap thing for a very long time. I've been doing rcap for as long as there have been digital point and shoot cameras but also as far back as fifteen years with a motorised 35mm film camera and .40 size trainer. From there I graduated to a Kadet Senior and from there I went to an 8 foot Telemaster.
If you have several thousand dollars invested in something you're probably not going to risk it getting that one of a kind shot. The funny thing I've noticed is that the ones that brag the most usually post the least in the way of actual videos and photos.
At the present time I have an Easy Star for those times I don't want to risk my good stuff, a converted Vista Sailplane for long duration AP and AV flights and a plane I call the Hornet, which I built especially for AP and AV. The quads are relatively new for me.
As for myself, I'm betting that this Lotusrc T580 will show promise as that 500 dollar entry level ap/av machine.
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I hate to be the bearer of bad tidings but it's not how much money you throw at something like this that gets the best results. Picasso could have had the best paint in the world but if he didn't know which end of the brush to hold it would have all been for not.
I've seen some stunning aerial photography and video from lowly Slow Sticks and Easy Stars, and some horrible examples from planes that cost thousands. It's all in the skill of the person taking the photos.
I don't care if your quad costs 200 or 2,000 dollars. If you don't have an eye for composition or lighting or framing all the money you throw at that dazzling technology might as well be spent on a roll of the dice at the local casino.
Personally I've seen the best video and ap coming from the people that spend the most time actually flying and not simply feeding their own massive egos.
If you have several thousand dollars invested in something you're probably not going to risk it getting that one of a kind shot. The funny thing I've noticed is that the ones that brag the most usually post the least in the way of actual videos and photos.
Agreed.
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There are people on the forums offering ready to fly setups for example http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1390809 . I don't have that quad but I purchased the frame and its great, much stronger than the gaui 330x and larger too.
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