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Old Aug 27, 2010, 11:31 AM
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Why should science address things that can not be demonstrated to exist?
And pray tell how does one demonstrate the big bang?
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Old Aug 27, 2010, 11:35 AM
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Old Aug 27, 2010, 11:36 AM
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The "big bang" is a class of theories that compete to explain certain repeatably observable and measurable phenomena. There are other theories that compete with the big bang, such as the 'big bounce'.
As the TV Show said, how can it be a bang when their were no ears yet? So it was a huge whimper maybe.......
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Old Aug 27, 2010, 12:29 PM
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Old Aug 27, 2010, 02:45 PM
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It is a figure of speach. There is no intent for the word 'bang' in the name to imply that it is an audible sound, unlike a literal belief in the words "spoke" the universe into existence. Now a less literal interpretation could conceivably suggest that the two concepts have a certain similarity.
I think that science cannot operate without there being similarities......after all scientists study and try to explain that which God hath created.
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Old Aug 27, 2010, 02:58 PM
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I think that science cannot operate without there being similarities......after all scientists study and try to explain that which God hath created.
Scientists study (and try to explain) the natural Universe.
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Scientists study (and try to explain) the natural Universe.
And that is a good thing provided you accept the fact that you will often eventually be proven wrong when you are convinced you are probably correct.
The thing most interesting to me about the scientific method is that every answer seems to lead to a thousand new questions.
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Old Aug 27, 2010, 03:15 PM
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Yet enough do, to make it more than anecdotal.

If I might venture a guess as to why, it's because Science does not, and indeed can not, address the issues concerning God, miracles, or indeed, any events beyond observable and repeatable phenomena.
How refreshing
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so far science ( not knocking on it as I actually like it) doesn't have the answers to earths creation, or humans and life.

they have theories...... but absolute proof?
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Old Aug 27, 2010, 04:04 PM
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Anyone demanding absolute proof from science simple does not understand how science actually works.

Proof is for lawyers, mathematicians and alcohol.
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Old Aug 27, 2010, 04:08 PM
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And that is a good thing provided you accept the fact that you will often eventually be proven wrong when you are convinced you are probably correct.
Wth the exception of the misuse of the term proven, that is in essence what the scientific method does. It tests hypotheses and theories up to to the point that they are disproven. At which stateg they are discarded or modified.

It;s a common misconception that the aim is to produce absolute proof, but that simply is not how it works and uncertainty always remains, should be recognised and will be recognised by any decent scientist.

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The thing most interesting to me about the scientific method is that every answer seems to lead to a thousand new questions.
Yep, that's what makes it so satisfying and fulfilling, as opposed to the belief that the answers are already all there, written down in a single big weighty tome, a few millenia ago, as an inerrant and unchangeable account.
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so far science ( not knocking on it as I actually like it) doesn't have the answers to earths creation, or humans and life.

they have theories...... but absolute proof?
That a god made it in seven days seems to me to be more theory than answer.
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Anyone demanding absolute proof from science simple does not understand how science actually works.

Proof is for lawyers, mathematicians and alcohol.
Good point... though even lawyers often don't prove... rather providing evidence upon which to make a conclusion.

Science often doesn't provide overwhelming evidence but in my opinion it fairs better than religion, which it seems to me provides underwhelming evidence.
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Science often doesn't provide overwhelming evidence but in my opinion it fairs better than religion, which it seems to me provides underwhelming evidence.
Which is fine....
although the Fact remains that disproving the other side doesn't make the arguers side any more correct.
Or for that matter offer any more overwhelming evidence.
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Why should science address things that can not be demonstrated to exist?
It shouldn't. But anyone who uses Science must be aware of what the limitations are. It's just as silly to claim like Sagan did, that "God has nothing to do", as it is to say that "NASA has found Joshua's missing day". I hear about equal quantities of both misapplications of Science, and the scientists like Sagan, really should know better.
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