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Old Aug 27, 2010, 07:43 AM
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He and you claim to be "real" Christians but you are only so in your individual opinions. Neither of you have a hotline to God or Christ. Your claim to have the holy spirit working through you is just that - a claim. Could just as easily be demons, or imagination, or voices in your head like the ones that told that mother in Texas to drown her 5 children. She believed God told her to do it. Many others believe differently than you two and also believe that they are Christians. You can't all be right.
Gerald, first let me say thank you or finding the trolls, etc. That is indeed a service to us all.

Now about the voices etc. Any words, even from preachers, should be tested against the Bible and the two Great Commandments. I cannot believe or accept that killing children, born or in the womb, to be a demand of God. There are all kinds of voices and all kinds of hearing and all kinds of seeing. Some is of God and some certainly isn't. The fruits of such are the best judge of such.

Never forget that a lot of people use "crazy" and "gods" as an excuse for all manner of evil actions. Just as many people use welfare to fund all kinds of things that aren't really related to survival, like using their cards at casinos.

Anyway, I cannot believe for or make a judgment of any other individual. That is up to them. I can give my opinion of their beliefs, but God is the Judge.

Again, good work on spotting trolls and spammers.

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Old Aug 27, 2010, 07:56 AM
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Old Aug 27, 2010, 08:10 AM
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It seems to me that science is generally better than religion at dealing with uncertainty. Good science continually attempts to correct itself with increasingly better data and methods. Contrarily, many religions are stuck with ancient "data" and a great reluctance to correct or even acknowledge errors. Good science seeks to disprove its ideas and even rewards those who manage to do so convincingly. Contrarily, seeking to disprove a religious dogma may be considered sinful by it's adherents (kind of a self-preservation scheme). Science will often say, "we don't know, we're working on it, here are some ideas." Religion will often say (in essence), "we do know, but don't ask too many questions. Claiming to know the future, what's in store after death and what God wants us not to eat (for example) seems rather arrogant. Science seems modest by comparison.

Simply put, religion makes large claims but, offers no evidence.
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Unfortunately there is a mndset doing the rounds that attempts to claim that it is science that claims to "know everything" and, as seen in this particular thread, that non-believers claim to know everything.

Of course, nothing could be further from the truth and the entire notion is ludicrous. That's the misrepresentation that is pushed out though, strange and unfounded as it is..
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Old Aug 27, 2010, 08:25 AM
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Unfortunately there is a mndset doing the rounds that attempts to claim that it is science that claims to "know everything" and, as seen in this particular thread, that non-believers claim to know everything.

Of course, nothing could be further from the truth and the entire notion is ludicrous. That's the misrepresentation that is pushed out though, strange and unfounded as it is..
Interesting choice of words.

The children of god are called a peculiar (strange) people.

Exodus 19:5
Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine:


Go figure.
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Old Aug 27, 2010, 08:33 AM
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Interesting choice of words.

The children of god are called a peculiar (strange) people.

Exodus 19:5
Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine:


Go figure.
Peculiar and strange are not necessarily the same thing.


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Synonyms, Thesaurus & Antonyms of 'peculiar'

1. (adj) curious, funny, odd, peculiar, queer, rum, rummy, singular
beyond or deviating from the usual or expected
Synonyms: unmatched, remarkable, left(p), unpaired, suspect, risible, rum, peculiar, amusing, odd, mirthful, unique, rummy, laughable, comic, uneven, curious, unexpended, peculiar(a), homophile(a), funny, leftover, gay, remaining, fishy, queer, particular(a), unmated, left over(p), singular, suspicious, special(a), shady, comical
Antonyms: uncharacteristic, familiar, usual, general, nonspecific
http://www.synonyms.net/synonym/peculiar


Other than that, I guess that there was some point in selecting and concentrating on a single word of that post. Not sure that is coming across at all well though. Was there a point to be made?
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Peculiar and strange are not necessarily the same thing.

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I've heard about up, down, strange.... but not peculiar! Hmmm... isn't that peculiar!

(Perhaps that's just it being a quark of Nature! )
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Old Aug 27, 2010, 09:03 AM
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Or, as in today's news Poly-peculiar .
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From today's Washington Post:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv...l?name=Bizarro
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Peculiar and strange are not necessarily the same thing.




http://www.synonyms.net/synonym/peculiar


Other than that, I guess that there was some point in selecting and concentrating on a single word of that post. Not sure that is coming across at all well though. Was there a point to be made?
Not really, it just struck me as interesting.

Actually the Hebrew word translated as peculiar means special treasure, special property. But:

Oxford English Reference Dictionary
peculiar
adj. & n.
--adj.
1 strange; odd; unusual (a peculiar flavour; is a little peculiar).
2 a (usu. foll. by to) belonging exclusively (a fashion peculiar to the time). b belonging to the individual (in their own peculiar way).
3 particular; special (a point of peculiar interest).
--n.
1 a peculiar property, privilege, etc.
2 a parish or church exempt from the jurisdiction of the diocese in which it lies.
Etymology: ME f. L peculiaris of private property f. peculium f. pecu cattle peculiar

Wow and from the OED.
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What seems peculiar to me is that someone with enough brains to comprehend electronics and aerodynamics believes in scary children's fairy tales!
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Old Aug 27, 2010, 10:01 AM
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Ah, right, I'll be sure to bear in mind,for future reference, that you are using the OED for your definitions.
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Old Aug 27, 2010, 10:02 AM
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What seems peculiar to me is that someone with enough brains to comprehend electronics and aerodynamics believes in scary children's fairy tales!
Strange indeed.
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What seems peculiar to me is that someone with enough brains to comprehend electronics and aerodynamics believes in scary children's fairy tales!
Yet enough do, to make it more than anecdotal.

If I might venture a guess as to why, it's because Science does not, and indeed can not, address the issues concerning God, miracles, or indeed, any events beyond observable and repeatable phenomena.

If it's any comfort, some physicists were comparing modern Physics to the eightfold path of Buddha.
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