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Old Dec 08, 2012, 08:55 PM
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For my sins I have been punished.... I have been elected the new Power Squadron Officer for The Club.
Congratulations Craig_C! You will do a great job!
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Old Dec 08, 2012, 09:12 PM
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in regards to the last picture posting, and to the subject of the CSS Virginia Model..

as a duly noted citizen from the city that was the capital of the Confederated states of America. I would like to personally thank the Modeler responsible for getting the flag right.



and of course congratulate them on a fantastic model!

for those out there that have no idea what I'm talking about... and I'm sure there aren't many because of the focus on historical accuracy when it comes to the scale models... .

But.. ( and here is me sticking out my big But againg ) The Flag on top of the General Lee car on the Dukes of Hazard is not the confederate flag despite what various media outlets and assorted rednecks might tell you..

That flag is more the Navel skip Jack of the Confederate army of Tennessee, that was later adopted by various fringe groups and is known as a "rebel" flag.

the flag of the CSS, had three bars, two red, one, white, and a circle of stars to represent the confederate states, much like the American flag.

Which was the problem..

The CSS flag so closely resembled the US flag, that confederate troops often came under friendly fire in the heat of battle, and fog of war. So, the CSS battle flag was adopted. That flag had the stars and bars, but was squared and had gold fringe. instead of rectangular with out fringe.


okay.. rant off...

carry on folks...
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For my sins I have been punished.... I have been elected the new Power Squadron Officer for The Club.

so... what does that mean?
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so... what does that mean?
I can try to finish ahead of you in events now!
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I can try to finish ahead of you in events now!
oh yay!
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oh yay!
Hee hee, don't worry, I don't actually know how to drive a boat.
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Hee hee, don't worry, I don't actually know how to drive a boat.
Its true. I've seen his try....
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Its true. I've seen his try....
I guess we'll see about that during the next event.
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Vets help maintain old ships

Check the story out...

Volunteerism is becoming more and more the grease that allows societies to work....
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Old Dec 09, 2012, 10:33 PM
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Check the story out...

Volunteerism is becoming more and more the grease that allows societies to work....
now... if only the younger peoples will volunteer voluntarily and won't volunteer cause they have to...
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Volunteerism is becoming more and more the grease that allows societies to work....
What's old is new...

-societies seem to be at their best when people are willing to give something to them through volunteering.
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Old Dec 10, 2012, 04:57 AM
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More Bouys in The Lake....


Gerry <Cpl.Fuzz> drops a buoy between the 25 and 50 foot markers of the dividing line between the fast and
slow/scale areas while Don rows and <Craig_c> shoots a picture between prepping more anchor lines.

Update on the buoys - the diagonal northern buoy line is now a bit over half completed with the dropping of another batch of red and white buoys today.


The new white ball buoy replaces the old yellow milk-jug.

The 'white ball' buoy on the northern diagonal was pulled and replaced with a yellow buoy and the white ball was moved to replace the sinking milk bottle that was being used as a turn point for the sail squadron's racing triangle. (Boy, had that old milk bottle been prop-chopped!!!)

The two orange buoys denoting 25 and 50 feet from the south shore in the area divider were pulled and replaced with yellow foam buoys. The orange balls were moved to center Lake to create an oval for the go-fastie guys to orbit and race around.

In chatting with a number of the electric fast-boat guys after we got the buoys placed, they have indicated that they will be accepting of the protected waters arrangement. They have asked that the orange balls denoting the fast-boat circuit be moved a bit closer to the southern rim of the Lake and a bit to the east as well so they can see the buoys and their boats and are better able to judge the distances involved. This is do-able as the position of the fast-oval isn't set in stone.

Even the flyers seem to be happy with what is being done when I talked to a couple of them in the late afternoon about what we were doing and what we are planning as it will help remind them to keep out and at least 50 to 75 feet from shore and away from spectators. This is important since one of the flyers misjudged distance today and nearly had an nasty accident. They are talking about staying over the go-fastie area, again north of the diagonal buy line.


The protected waters seem to be acceptable to most of the regulars using on the Lake; Club and Irregular. Appreciation was expressed by a couple of parents whose children were using the 'protected water' within the buoys to get their R/Ceelegs and were no longer worried about accidents with the fast boats.

We will get the rest of the buoys in hopefully before New Years. At which time we will also adjust and smarten-up the buoy lines and positions. Right now we are just getting the basic lines and positions established.
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Old Dec 10, 2012, 05:07 AM
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Don't forget the Michael E. helped!
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Old Dec 10, 2012, 05:20 AM
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Don't forget the Michael E. helped!
Yep, yep, yep, Very true!!! I need to figure out how to get the video I shot up edited and up here... I'z a'workin' on it!!!

Haven't played with video since college - ARRRGH! Now I gotz ta figger out YouTube????
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Old Dec 10, 2012, 07:50 AM
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Interesting thing, after we had the buoys set up, when the fast electrics wanted to
take a break between speed runs, look where they idle - inside 'protected waters.'
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Old Dec 10, 2012, 09:41 AM
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Good news

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The protected waters seem to be acceptable to most of the regulars using on the Lake; Club and Irregular.
That's Great news !

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Old Dec 10, 2012, 05:10 PM
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A highlight of the day...
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Old Dec 10, 2012, 05:21 PM
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And whom is the lucky pilot?
Just grab the tree shrinker and bring it down to them!
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Old Dec 10, 2012, 05:29 PM
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And whom is the lucky pilot?
Just grab the tree shrinker and bring it down to them!
I dont know the pilot personally... but he started recently coming to the lake to fly it.

haha... tree shrinker..
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Tree shrinker

Have you not used a truck stretcher when you didn't have enough room?
There are also trunk stretchers, cooler stretchers shoe stretchers suit case stretchers Ok I know ENOUGH!
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Ahhh - So that's what happened to Charlie Brown after he outgrew 'flying' kites....

Hope he can get it back somehow....
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Old Dec 10, 2012, 10:51 PM
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So which one of you lucky bums got there ahead of me? Looks like possibly around 1906 or so.... I do not see the hotel that was built on the corner of 36th and Fulton.

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My favorite thing about that postcard is that it costs 1 cent to send by mail.
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Old Dec 11, 2012, 02:01 PM
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New year's day sb polar bear beer-can race


SB O/D OFF-SEASON SAILING SCHEDULE:
SAT. OCT 27 1-3 (6 races-more depending on number of boats) first race 1pm
SAT. NOV 10 1-3 (overlaps with the swap meet)
SAT. DEC 8 1-3 (membership meeting/Christmas party & SB beer-can race) 1-3

TUES JAN 1, 1-3 NEW YEAR'S DAY- POLAR BEAR CLASSIC SB BEER-CAN RACE #3.5 RSVP !!!
SAT JAN 12 1-3
SAT FEB 9 1-3
MARCH: (SFMYC SANCTIONED SBOD REGATTAS BEGIN)
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Old Dec 11, 2012, 03:49 PM
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Hello Craig,
How are ya?
Is that postcard before or after the quake ?
See ya at the clubhouse.
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Old Dec 12, 2012, 06:46 AM
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Hey Giovanni - before probably.

Note that Fort Miley is up on the hill and there are some buildings along both Fulton St and Geary Blvd.

I really had wanted that card!!! pout pout pout!
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Craig,
Can you get ahold of me? Looking for I 54 sailing pictures. Ryan
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Old Dec 12, 2012, 02:29 PM
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The POLAR BEAR Classic-New Year's Day

Skippers-
We'll be on Spreckels Lake at 1pm New Year's Day.

Two boats do make a race! More boats would make it more better. Lets hook-up and float your boat- New Year's Day. It beats watching TV. Start 2013 with a splash.

PS If it floats, splash it! We're NOT snooty-free sail/RC/big/little-Its New Year's Day. Let boat.
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The Power Bunch will be out earlier for the annual Walkabout, you are welcome to join in, we will say Howdy at the very least.
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Old Dec 12, 2012, 10:23 PM
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Not mine.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/SAN-FRANCISC...item460ae93a55
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Can you tell what year the postcard was dated?!
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Old Dec 13, 2012, 01:27 AM
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NEW YEAR'S DAY @ SPRECKELS LAKE-bring it!

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The Power Bunch will be out earlier for the annual Walkabout, you are welcome to join in, we will say Howdy at the very least.
Its all GOOD!!!!
What better way to open 2013 than a WALKABOUT AND a beer-can event after. CU there for sure.
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Is there a night run tomorrow?
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Is there a night run tomorrow?
Hopefully the weather godz will give us a pass for dusk and early evening - official start 5:30 I was told.


Click here
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Old Dec 16, 2012, 01:36 AM
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So, a little rain scares of the majority of sailors???

Anyway, had a good time and a number of people made the Holiday Parade of Lights. Funny the rain went away just about the time peopleses started to arrive!

More photos to come.

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ps. See The Hobbit!!! It is awesome!
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Old Dec 16, 2012, 01:42 AM
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Saw the Hobbit last night.
Great movie !
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Can you tell what year the postcard was dated?!
The lake was created in 1904.
post card rate was raised to 2 cents in 1952, so that's no help.
The publisher [Behrendt] of the above card was in business from 1906 to 1930, so that range was wide. The number on the card is 28315.
Found another Behrendt card 26632 postmarked 1-15-1915.
Both of these examples have very sharp definition for that era compared to the soft focus of the card below.
This narrows it down for the time being to the mid-teens.

Another card dated 1912 with a comparable modern photo at
http://www.timeshutter.com/image/spr...ifornia?sqid=8
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Hey Guys,
Just a heads up alert, I've decided to sell my Midwest PT-109 for ~$500.
I'll be posting pictures of that tonight and more details on pricing. I'm hoping to sell it locally, if not, then it'll be up on ebay.
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From all of our motley crew, a Happy Holidays and Best Wishes for the New Year!
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The prototype back (north) line of buoys delineating the protected water was closed to Guano Point when another batch of buoys were dropped on Saturday. The line requires another couple of buoys and to be straightened and smartened up as far as proper spacing (20 feet) between buoys, but that will come right after the New Year.

I wasn't able to move the orange balls for the go-fasties, but I will do that right after New Years as well.

The person assisting me from shore was rain-soaked, shivering and threatening me with dire consequences if she didn't get exposed to warmth very soon!!! 'Nuff said, rowboat back into the Clubhouse!!
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Running in the Rain

As Ron Burchette, once said, "REAL BOATS GET WET ON THE TOPSIDE TO!". I have done a night run in the rain, but except for two of us, the rest of the club, woooossed out, that night. I guess they were going to melt. Happy Holidays! CaptCB
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To many bouys detract from the look of the lake. A bit more enforcement couldn't hurt. Those that are driving boats to fast and not operating safely are ruining the lake for the rest of us.
To bad, such a unique place to run an rc boat. Hope things can come back into balance in 2013. Ryan
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ugly buoys

The buoys may solve the problem-good luck.
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It is a shame that the lake has resorted to buoys everywhere. The lake has been ruined due to irresponsible drivers, city and SFMYC. I may stop by sometime soon just to see all the buoys in person and hand out fliers to those that would like to join Fremont District 9. The lake should have been enjoyed by all. Not just members (sail boats) of the club, but the residents of the bay area.
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What a shame that the reckless behavior of a few people unwilling to follow the speed rules set forth for safety have essentially ruined the beauty of the lake with the placement of all of those unsightly buoys.
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The buoys suck.

If the buoys work, good. That said, they suck.
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Happy Holidays to all
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The lake should have been enjoyed by all. Not just members (sail boats) of the club, but the residents of the bay area.
Quite correct Sport, and I am in full and absolute support of that position....

------------------- HOWEVER -------------------
(And speaking as a private user of the Lake,
Not a Club member...

1) The Lake, is a model yacht (as in all types of lawful model watercraft) facility, not just go-fasties!!

2) People who regularly use the Lake, it's stakeholders if you will, generally are respectful toward each other and their activities, staying out of each other’s way and respecting the City laws (Rec. and Parks Code) and are, in the main, generally respectful of SFMYC rules as well even though those Club rules do not bind the Irregulars and other members of the public. Amongst the regular users on the Lake, cooperation generally reigns supreme.

3) The LAW (not Club rules) on the Lake, for the past 22 years has been
  • 15 MPH for gas & nitro - no exceptions
  • 60 decibels at full throttle at 50 feet - no exceptions
  • fine for each violation $100
I will also point out (again), that when these Rec and Park rules were mandated, no one was given a choice. The Club was told you either follow the LAW or there will be no model boats on Spreckels Lake, period.

This was also the Rec & Park Commission Resolution that set aside by mandate the Gas-Free protected area.
4) A minority within the performance powered model boating community have chosen, for the past 22 years, to flagrantly and selfishly flout the rules and disobey the LAW concerning both speed and noise upon the Lake by running at speeds sometimes in excess of 60 miles per hour on a Lake where it is clearly unsafe to do so with a heavy gasoline or nitro powered boat because of the edge design of the Lake and the proximity of the pedestrian walkway encircling it. They have also chosen to run with tuned pipes without mufflers, sometimes exceeding 100 decibels. Yes, I have a decibel app on my iPhone and I do take measurements. Just because they have gotten away with it so far, does not make it right. (And yes, R&P has noticed)

5) Because of this disregard for keeping speeds within a safe range for the Lake, there have been accidents involving serious injuries, lengthy hospital stays and, oh yes, the lawyers do get involved. The 1990 Law/signage, I am told, was partially in response to one of these accidents.

The neighbors and members of the general public enjoying the Park also complain about the noise on the Lake, not as much as they used to, but it still happens and the Club has to respond if the complaint gets made through official channels. We, not the boaters with the loud boats, are the ones who have had catch the flak in the past.

6) There has been a recent run of accidents on the Lake, all related to people exceeding their performance envelope; pilot error; going much to fast with both gas and electric watercraft beyond their ability to maintain safe and effective control.

Because of the accidents, a number of people with scale power boats as well as sail have openly quit using the Lake because they have become afraid of having their boats damaged or sunk, or being physically hurt in an accident where a boat jumps the Lakeside and hits them.

In other words, irresponsible use of fast, performance watercraft, legally or illegally, of whatever power source, is driving other users of the Lake away and ruining the experience of the Lake and the Park for members of the public as well as other model boaters and SFMYC members.

Behavior such as that is not "sharing the Lake," it is ruining the Lake for everyone.

Do not try to put "ruining the Lake" on the SFMYC, we are trying to make the best of a bad situation as are most of the regular users and stake holders of the Lake.

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I may stop by sometime soon just to see all the buoys in person and hand out fliers to those that would like to join Fremont District 9.
Please do- I don't want to spoil anyone's fun but gas powered, high performance speed boats on Spreckels Lake operate most of the time in violation of City law in addition to creating an unsafe environment that threatens not only the skippers of the boats but the pedestrians and children who gather to watch the boats as well. We all know that high performance boats would be better off running over at Fremont's Kaiser Cove where they cannot jump out of the lake and strike a bystander.

Oh, and a little piece of history for you, the SFMYC is/was a NAMBA charter club, we were there at the start.
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cheap-fast-electrics (CFE)
Oh, please! Lakeside Saturday Night Specials now?

First off, I am not worried about cheap RTR "fast electric" boats in the sub-$150 class as they do not go very fast anyway, I can out-walk most and I'm not in very good shape anymore as you well know! Most do not even have rudders but steer by mixing their screw speeds.

No, if you are going to worry about electric go-fastie RTRs, you need to look at the $249 to $600-plus category and that is a whole different kettle of fish. I don't think that many people these days would consider $300 boats cheap by any means. IIRC, the boat that holed the Santa Barbara sold for $349-plus shipping.

Accuracy, this is not an election commercial.

On the flip side, we are going to have to come to terms with the new world we find ourselves in. The old line hobby of boat model builders is shrinking and, some say, dying and is being replaced by the gas and electric RTRs, which are almost exclusively go-fasties capable of at least 20 to 30 or more miles-per-hour. We, Club members and Irregulars alike, are going to have to do our best to educate these folks in how to safely run a fast speed boat, in the safety rules, how to charge their LiPo batteries so not to burn down the house and yes, in some cases, explain why they would be much better off driving a couple of hours over the Fremont and Kaiser Cove.

It is going to be very challenging to say the least. There are going to be a lot more go-fasties and faster ones too in our futures. We best start thinking about that now and making plans to get along with them as well as bringing them into our community of modelers.
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Craig,
We have talked a few times before, and I do agree with you that gas boats have gone way beyond what the lake was intended. I do race electrics, and I still believe that even electrics are beyond what is capable for the pond. But my concern is that the club has now taken away the beauty of the pond because of a few bad apples. There needs to be a better way to police the lake without blowing a whistle or something else. I would like to see more race at Fremont, but I don't want to push people.
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To many bouys detract from the look of the lake. A bit more enforcement couldn't hurt.
Ryan....
The buoys, when you are at the Lake do not look that bad. Yes, they are a bit of an intrusion - think how I feel, I had a pristine background for all my photos,now I won't be able to shoot around the buoys and make the boats "look real." I'll take the buoys though if it keeps one person or child from catching a face full of high speed screw.

As for enforcement - the Horse Patroller I spoke with said they would help as they can if we give them a call and they are not tied up on another or higher priority call. We cannot expect a SFPD horse officer or a Park ranger to sit out at the Lake and just watch like a lifeguard which is, in a way, what would have to happen for at least a few hours each weekend day every weekend. There just isn't the budget for it. Wish there were
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Then don't push, Invite them.
Plan a day at Fremont, and make sure everyone you meet that runs a go fast is invited.
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tis the season for fudge, just don't eat to much. I stopped by to see pictures of the night of lights outing. I was not sure I was on the correct forum for a bit. sorry to read the old story about using the lake popped up again. no fun in all that stuff. hope you had a good turn out. I was at a xmas party but thought of you all. I saw the few picks posted and from that I could see that the true Christmas feelings must have been shared. maybe a few more folks could put up a pic or two to share with us here at home. you all have a merry Christmas and a happy new year and I will see many of you then. 2012 had a few challenges especially with the sad news on the east coast. that was so sad. may 2013 be a better year. god bless you all.

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<clip>....my concern is that the club has now taken away the beauty of the pond because of a few bad apples. There needs to be a better way to police the lake without blowing a whistle or something else. I would like to see more race at Fremont, but I don't want to push people.
Todd -

I built most of the buoys and I wish it didn't have to be so, but given the alternatives which are an inevitable injury accident which will happen sooner or later as they have in the past; model power boats being kicked off the Lake completely as many of the Irregulars and Club members rightly or wrongly fear or other consequences, I'll take the little visual disruption that comes with the buoys even if it screws up my photographs. Conversely, I have had three sets of parents say they appreciated the cordoned off area for their kids' first boat experience.

The pond is still one of the nicest model ponds of the semi-naturalistic urban style there is and that is not going to change. Just look a the alternative of model boating ponds elsewhere that have been closed, were abandoned and have deteriorated beyond belief or repair.

I would point to the the Berkeley Model Yacht Pond built by the WPA and toasted as one of the finest model yachting ponds in the western hemisphere with nearly continuous westerly winds in the knot to knot-and-a-half category. It's completely abandoned, falling apart and filling with silt.

I was told that Rec & Park told the Club to see if we can solve the issues of speed and noise ourselves. If we can't, I was told, then they say they will will step in. Given what happened last time and the way many of the long time stakeholders of the Lake worry about that prospect, I don't think that would be an optimal solution from a modelers' point of view.

I would be more than happy to work with you guys over at Kaiser to try and draw more people to the Fremont site. Chat with me after the New Year and let us see what we can do about making it happen.

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Gary....

The Surprise decked out with Christmas Lights - Oh, now there is a sight I would truely like to see!!
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well thank you for that idea. ill have to say for now the only lights you might see on her are the lights from the burning gun powder coming out of the canons as she is doing a broadside on you while you standing on your deck drinking your rum. I just have to work on my bad ass sailor talk. but really, the sails being reflected from the powder flash looks Awasome. Ray Grosser did a nice video of Sunrise firing her canons with moonlight reflecting off the water and its better than any lights that I could ever hang on her.


here Is that video

Surprise exercises her guns at night.mpg (1 min 50 sec)



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Perhaps over time you can substitute the buoys with scale buoys (or other obstacles like permanent islands) that add to the ambiance of the lake. It might make a nice club project - someone comes up with a standard scale-ish buoy design, and anyone who wants to can make one or two. Just a thought.

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World ends at 7 on Friday, Mayan Planet to crush Earth - Join us for all the news at 11 on Friday for all the video of the big event!! Don't miss the end of your world!

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Perhaps over time you can substitute the buoys with scale buoys (or other obstacles like permanent islands) that add to the ambiance of the lake. It might make a nice club project - someone comes up with a standard scale-ish buoy design, and anyone who wants to can make one or two.
I had thought of that and have something up my sleeve along those lines for at least one location but in this case and for now, fast, expedient and at least better than halfway decent was the rule of the day as there was a lot pressure over the accidents during October and November and people leaving the Lake. Crafting some really nice scale waterway marker buoys would have taken too long and cost too much. (At least they are not old milk-jugs)

That said, I agree, there is nothing I can see that precludes us from doing a 'scale upgrades' on the buoys so they look more realistic.

As far as I am concerned (but the Club would have to decide this); someday, in the future, if the issue has gone away, the Club could reduce them to a minimum again.
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the issue has gone away, the Club could reduce them to a minimum again.
One can only hope.

Just a little added note of useless information-During a pleasant conversation with an well-meaning irregular while he operated his electric fastie on the sail-side of the lake (in your absence) during a mock race of 10 regular sailboats, that skipper commented (respectfully) that he preferred "our" side (so-to-speak) because there are no buoys to contend with. Go figure.

I did, needless to say, mentioned that I liked the buoys because they create a nice (interesting) slalom course for my powerboats. Just sayin'
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<clip>... he preferred "our" side (so-to-speak) because there are no buoys to contend with. Go figure.
Jerry -

Never said the cordon would be a perfect solution, just a solution which is apparently proving effective (crosses fingers tighter). Sorry about the unintended consequence, but a lot of folks had been running e/go-fasties and other powered boats over on the north shore for quite a while long before the buoys were placed.

If they become an issue, you may choose to point out ''ol Mossback' the sign' up in the tree near the west end of he sail course which reads that powerboats may only run from the south side of the Lake (basically the pit area).


Ol' Mossback

I know it's pushing the envelope a bit, but if the power guy is not interfering with the race, I would let him be.

Peaceful co-existence, detente, etc.
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I know it's pushing the envelope a bit, but if the power guy is not interfering with the race, I would let him be.
Praises to you for your efforts here (and elsewhere) while trying to find a solution/compromise/toleration etc.... That said, sailing with the e-fastie may be like, "He who allows a camel to put his nose in the tent sleeps with camels." Just sayin' (:
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As a photographer and scale warship modeler, I personally dislike the buoys. If there were any other way of resolving the conflicts rampant at Spreckels, I'd love to see them pursued, while using the buoys as a temporary solution.

The problem is that in the 10 years I've been using the lake, the clashes have steadily gotten worse between the various "camps" and individuals who all have very strong ideas about what a fun day at a model boat lake ought to look like, to the point where it has become virtually impossible to have a reasoned, civilized debate. Add to that the fact that we do not have a recognized single organization that has authority to maintain order at the lake, and there is no clear way to get - much less keep - everybody on the same page.

I'm sorry that in essence we as a community had to physically carve the lake up into separate sandboxes, but somebody had to take action, or see the entire scene descend even further into chaos and attrition. I truly hope this stops the loss of scale model boaters from the lake, while at the same time making room for all types of model boating (and even electric aircraft).

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When I was a member of the San Diego ship Modelers Guild, they got around conflicts over the use of the model yacht and ship basin in Mission Bay by reserving parts of the weekend for use of the whole basin for power or fast gas/electric or scale.

If I recall correctly, Saturday Mornings were for sail, afternoons for scale, and Sunday afternoons for fast power/electric. If you had a scale sailboat, you got to sail all day Saturday, but could not interfere with the racing. The various clubs may have rotated their weekend times at the basin each year, but I do not have a specific recollection whether they did that, or not.

If there was an event, such as a multi-club yacht competition, the scale hydro races coincident with the full sized Thunderboat Races in the Bay, or the annual Scale Regatta, larger portions of, or the whole weekend would be reserved accordingly. The rest of the time it was open sailing.

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That sort of solution is one that I have suggested for Spreckels, but as there is no way to enforce it, and no consensus concerning what the rules ought to be in any case, there doesn't seem to be a way to get there from here.

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Son of a gun. Here it is the night of the last day of earth and I decided to stop by and look at boat pictures and stuff being the holidays and all and find this conversation still going on. You guys keep on having fun and hopefully ill see you all next year. Too the guy who gets the last word in, could you do us a favor and bury that poor horse.

Good luck.
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WHAT??? Damn - Still here!! Another good apocalypse wasted!!! And me at Disneyland....

Seriously though, I always really liked the response the head Mayan shaman / priest, a direct lineal descendent of the priests who kept the calendar back in the day and whose family has kept some of the old ways alive (minus rolling the heartless sacrifices down the temple stairs, o' course).

When asked by a western reporter a number of months ago about the coming Mayan apocalypse and the "end of days" predicted by the long calendar, his response was basically, 'what are you asking me for??? That's all a White Man Thing!!'

Mr. Barnum's theorem proved out again! 'cept he may have been off on the numbers by a couple of orders of magnitude.

IN the mean time.... Happy Solstice and Happy Mayan Long Count New Millennium!! - It'll be a while before the next one
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Found a break in the clouds tonight. Thought I'd memorialize the last day of planet Earth by recording the Waxing Gibbous solstice moon.

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KaBoom?? Where is the KaBoom??

There was supposed to be an earth shattering KaBoom!






This is what happens when you source your Illudium Q-36 Explosive Space Modulators from ACME
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I heard it, but I think it was something I ate.
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kaboom in space? hmm, only in Star Wars movies do you ever here sounds in space. otherwise its just a big flash of light. good thing or that Sun of ours would be making so much noise non of us would ever get any sleep.

can anyone tell me what store is selling this years calendar, I don't know what to call today.
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[QUOTE=craig_c;23591987]WHAT??? Damn - Still here!! Another good apocalypse wasted!!! And me at Disneyland....
:QUOTE]

L.A. or FL. ?


RWood, nice shot of the Moon. never saw it over here. I was hoping to look up and seeing all the planets in a nice straight row tugging on old Earth and causing King Tides. well not to be that night for me.

so all this was just another Y2K thing. o'well guess ill have to get started on that hunny do list thing again.
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NEW YEAR'S DAY @ SPRECKELS LAKE-bring it!

Commodore Jim & I will sail New Year's Day at 1PM...Please join us!
Its the 2013 Polar Bear Classic (PBC) which is unsanctioned, no forms, no fees, no food-NOTHING BUT FUN!

The Polar Bear is a kind of OPEN "beer-can" gathering where anything from footies to Wheelers (and anything in between-including free-sail) are welcome-if it floats, splash it!

Why? Good friends & great boats make for a perfect mix when launching the New Year in style sailing on Spreckels Lake. Join us if you can.

RSVP helps coordinate-thank you!

ps The SFMYC power squadron will hold its annual "walk-around" earlier New Year's Day beginning at 9:30. Its all good-more is better.
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"Well, here's another nice apocalypse you've gotten me into."
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Grin, well Aly you might be correct. But I had always guessed that the calendar always marked the day that the visitors from the sky and builders of the Piramids came back. Soooo, in that I am giving the calendar a bit of room for a slight mistake for a few days I am looking skyward with one eye just in case.
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Lol (From DisneyLAND (de orig)).
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LAnd and not WOrld, I get it now.. Dah...

Its been 5 years since I have been in LA and I hear that they brought back the Flying Saucers, Well Maybe not the original Flying Saucers that would hop up and down if you rammed just right into someone else. They flew about an inch off the deck of a field of what looked like coffee can lids that air would come out of and let you glide like a Frisbee. So something like that was brought back and I can not remember the theme they used this time. The old one was where the Submarines are now, Or are they even around any more?

Don't rush back, have fun and use up your E tickets.

Full details at the next sail for me to learn more of whats new and cool.

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Oh, so it was you who left the vacuum cleaner running when the NCC-1701 Enterprise went by....

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Yep, there's one.

ps - You checked yer shirt color recently - looking a bit red to me
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ps - You checked yer shirt color recently - looking a bit red to me


Why yes it is, but when I ware it at Comic-Con I have not seen you. Are you the guy in a mask?

After wearing mine, I get it hand cleaned from a small family owned business in Cambodia, and then store it on my private viewing room at home. Here is a photo of it. Ever since you heard my ring tone I have been viewed a bit sideways by you.. LOL
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I have a feeling that the coming year at Spreckels is going to be even stranger than 2012.
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Hmmmm maybe we should start referring to the protected waters area as Spreckelian Neutral Zone??

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Ever since you heard my ring tone I have been viewed a bit sideways by you..
Yeah right! I thought it was pretty cool! Just 'cause you have a ring-tone, red shirt and a walk-in doesn't make you a Trekker, trekiie maybe. I got hooked first season/NBC but had been a Andre Norton geek even before that.
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Grin, I was just goofing on you. never been to show, have no red shirts, and my wife is the only one who can walk into her closet. but I do have a ring tone and I was 17 when the first show came out, yes trekie maybe, for a three year show I saw them all to many times. I just play with toy boats now.
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As I sat waiting with my two beloved dogs and a goodly shot of rum, I put my fingers in my ears and waited just as the clock on the wall struck 7:00pm, then I heard it, no, wait, it's the girl that lives behind me playing her damn boom-ta-boom-ta what ever music. Loud enough to be the end of the world but who would know it as she plays it so loud when her mother is not around. Happy Holidays to all you that Mess around in Boats.
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As I sat waiting with my two beloved dogs and a goodly shot of rum, I put my fingers in my ears and waited just as the clock on the wall struck 7:00pm, then I heard it, no, wait, it's the girl that lives behind me playing her damn boom-ta-boom-ta what ever music. Loud enough to be the end of the world but who would know it as she plays it so loud when her mother is not around. Happy Holidays to all you that Mess around in Boats.
End of the world "was" 3:11am our time... not 7pm.
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No wonder we missed it! We was partyin'
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Hi all. If the weather holds anyone planning to check out the water at Spreckles, maybe try that new Xmas present?
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You mean today?
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Hey Rob. No, tomorrow, Xmas day. 10:00 or there about?
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Looks pretty iffy, weather-wise, but I'm booked for the day, at any rate.

Rob
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Old Dec 24, 2012, 03:47 PM
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Year's Day-Bring it!

Today's forecast for NEW YEAR'S DAY POLAR BEAR "beer-can"-POWER&SAIL gathering:

3 day forecast for New Year's Day- SUNNY 56° WIND 7 mph / ENE


So, if it floats-Bring It!

power 9-12
sail 1-3
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Old Dec 24, 2012, 05:15 PM
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I'll definitely be there on the first. Looking forward to it!

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Old Dec 24, 2012, 07:23 PM
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The Mayan apocalypse just occurred today.
I witnessed it while shopping at Trader Joes ! :^)
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Old Dec 24, 2012, 07:42 PM
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left just Trader Joes in Castro Valley and it was more like a party with all the free cheese and crackers and some hot food for tasting. everybody was awake and alert, but nothing like what you are reporting. so is this a time zone phenomena ?
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Old Dec 25, 2012, 05:03 AM
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Christmas 2012 Morning Moon

Shot from our roof this morning.
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Old Dec 25, 2012, 10:47 AM
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great photo of a Christmas Moon
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Great Pic !
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Old Dec 25, 2012, 01:33 PM
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Very nice
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