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Old Aug 08, 2012, 06:09 PM
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Power Event for OCTOBER 2012 - Fleet Day, A Musterand Review


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Old Aug 08, 2012, 06:24 PM
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KILLER !

Bet the weather will be Perfect !
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Old Aug 08, 2012, 07:33 PM
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Thanks Craig_C! great looking poster!
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Old Aug 09, 2012, 02:53 AM
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compiled videoes of Sunday and the Night Run

A Day at Spreckels Lake (2 min 23 sec)
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Snake on the Lake!

No not any of the usual suspects [If this subject matter disturbs you, please don't read further.]http://static.rcgroups.com/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

Watch where you're sailing or motoring!http://static.rcgroups.com/forums/im...milies/eek.gif

Found this on instructables.com:

Make a swimming Robo-Snake
http://www.instructables.com/id/Make...ng-Robo-Snake/

Looks like a fun project.
She should have painted the "snake" in some camo to [partially?] match the lake, to be more ominous.
We once had a model train 'running on the lake' and the submerged unit was painted to add to the mystery

Sneel_003 in Golden Gate Park (1 min 17 sec)
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Old Aug 20, 2012, 12:23 AM
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A copy & paste from, WOODIES: Wooden Pleasure Craft from Boating's Golden and Classic Eras and much more.


How about a blast from the past. Wooden Boats on Parade, circa 1996. Done in two parts. Here's a half hour you'll never get back.

Wooden Boats on Parade ~ 1996 ~ pt1 (14 min 15 sec)

Wooden Boats on Parade ~ 1996 ~ pt2 (14 min 36 sec)
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Old Aug 20, 2012, 12:51 AM
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That is a great video Pat! I recognized a 'younger' Bob Hererra, and Kay Tillman. Not to mention Ken Vaulk. I also recognized a few of Bob's boats as well as your own Chris~Craft.
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Old Aug 20, 2012, 02:48 AM
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Yep, it was a very cool event. I'd like to make it back some day.
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Just let us know when, I'll bring Donuts !
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This years date for Wooden Boats on Parade is Sept. 30th so you could make plans and be there.
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Old Aug 20, 2012, 04:17 PM
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To all that know me at the lake....I am selling my Proboat Mystic for $250 FIRM non negotiable comes with everything except the transmitter.

Seaking 120A ESC
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Old Aug 20, 2012, 11:41 PM
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Old Aug 21, 2012, 12:27 AM
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Great pictures Craig!
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Has it been two years since last time? Time flies... it is not on the club calendar
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...it is not on the club calendar
Well, nobody is perfect- it is in the newsletter, it is on the club's home page... it is on RCG... so many places to keep up.

Good catch. Perhaps you should join the club and the committee responsible for maintaining the on-line version of the club calendar. Always looking for good volunteers.
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Old Aug 21, 2012, 01:59 PM
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Now if only this guy could drop by for Fleet Day....

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Loved the two videos. Reminded me of the San Diego Ship Modelers Guild when I lived there. That is where I met Bob Hererrra and saw a number of his models, There is a gas powered early Crowley tug that also looked very familiar.

Great work, and I see from your recent photos that it keeps coming along, preserving the art.

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Did anyone get pictures from last Saturday 8/18?
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I wasn't out at Lakeside on the 18th, sorry. What did I miss?

Calvin, did you get any photos??
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I like the looks of those freesail boats, especially the ones with wood grain hulls. I wouldn't mind RCing one. Would that be sacrilegious?
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I like the looks of those freesail boats, especially the ones with wood grain hulls. I wouldn't mind RCing one. Would that be sacrilegious?
Yes, and way less fun!
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Old Aug 24, 2012, 01:28 PM
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I like the looks of those freesail boats, especially the ones with wood grain hulls. I wouldn't mind RCing one. Would that be sacrilegious?
Here's what he SFMYC web site has to say about RX (Radioed X Class boats)

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RX CLASS is the radio-controlled counterpart of the freesail X-class. The X Class was created in 1939 as an “experimental” class, to allow builders to try out different ideas in yacht design. Thus, it is a developmental class, unlike the other RC classes in the SFMYC, which are one-design classes. The RX Class's overarching rule is a limit of no more than 1,000 square inches of measured sail area, with almost no restrictions as to hull shape, length, weight, materials, or type of rig. Very quickly after 1939, the X Class became very popular all over the country. With the development of radio control, some X-class boats were converted to RX boats. The class remains popular in the SFMYC although it has faded away elsewhere. The RX Class is not recognized by the AMYA and the class is administered by the SFMYC. RX sailors do, when racing, follow the AMYA rules for sailing.

The class is too small to attract a dedicated manufacturer. Today, the RX class boats are custom made, or are modified from other classes, such as10-Raters or Marblehead boats with up to 1,000 square inches of sail. RX boats are generally very fast, high performing yachts, much more so than their freesail counterparts. The SFMYC adopted certain limitations on the freesail X boats for the purpose of keeping older boats competitive. Known as the "SF Restrictions", these included displacement and draft limits. The RX Class did not adopt the "SF Restrictions". Fiberglass tends to be the material of choice, and the boats are long and slim, with deep keels, tall rigs, and light displacements. See the RX Class Rating Rules for more information governing the RX Class specifications. SFMYC members have approximately 14 RX boats. They have an 8-race season, and compete on Thursday afternoons.
There is nothing stopping you from building hulls and radioing them yourself for fun, though admittedly, I'd really hesitate about radioing a vintage boat.

SFMYC's Yachting / Yacht Class page
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I wasn't out at Lakeside on the 18th, sorry. What did I miss?

Calvin, did you get any photos??
Sorry Craig I didn't was too busy rescuing gas boats.
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Oh well, see you all tomorrow. Need to do test runs before Sunday. Will bring my camera
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Another slow, lazy day on The Bay....




Start of the last 'Fleet Race' heat of the day


Gettin' close!


How close? - Don't spit or you hit might a boat!


The yacht America tied up in back of the Golden Gate Yacht Club


Anybody want more???
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There is nothing stopping you from building hulls and radioing them yourself for fun, though admittedly, I'd really hesitate about radioing a vintage boat.

SFMYC's Yachting / Yacht Class page
Thanks for the link Craig. I like the picture of the Star 45 class. They look scale-like. I think Dumas once offered a kit. Now they only have a 30" Star.
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Thx

Thanks Craig, I was hoping you would cover this.
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Old Aug 25, 2012, 04:02 PM
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Cold and wet this morning -uchk!! Not a big turn out.

Gerry <Cpl.Fuzz> was out as well with the Talon, Timbuk II and the Triton which were last seen in Post 1713. The Freesailors will be running heats after 13:00.
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I like the looks of those freesail boats, especially the ones with wood grain hulls. I wouldn't mind RCing one. Would that be sacrilegious?
over in the sailboat sections I have a little build log of converting the plans for a Dumas Ace racing sloop free sailer to RC

the boat itself is a knock off of a international star. and the original design is a simple elastic band type of free sail control. but the idea is that as the wind takes the main sail it holds this tiller straight...

Ive built 6 or so of those boats, two from kits, the rest scratch from plans. but I've never been in a position to do any actual free sail racing personaly. as I under stand it, it's kinda like a drag race... start out on one side of the pond, tow or more boats, and try to tack a straight line to the other side.
that is the really rough gist of it as I understand it. its all about boat set up, reading the winds and having a long stick to push it away from shore if your boat gets too close.

my thread over in the sailboat section is a fresh build, plans from scratch and gentle engineering to make it work and it started out as I was bored on a rainy day and had a pile of scrap, and unused wood I could play with.

If I were to somehow get a hold of a proper vintage free sail boat, I would most certainly leave as is. cherish it, and try to convince the folks in my club to play with the vintage aspect of the hobby.

that being said? I personally have no problem with finding free plans out there somewhere on the Internets and doing an up modification of those plans.. just not butchering an existing boat for that purpose.

not that Im trying to accuse you of harboring such thoughts, just putting my $0.02's worth in on that particular concept.
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...that being said? I personally have no problem with finding free plans out there somewhere on the Internets and doing an up modification of those plans.. just not butchering an existing boat for that purpose.

not that Im trying to accuse you of harboring such thoughts, just putting my $0.02's worth in on that particular concept.
Exactly how I feel! many of the free sail boats pictured immediately above are relatively new but there are many boats in the club that have been free sail racing on the lake regularly since the early 1940's. Wouldn't feel right to r/c one of those... but a modern replica? Sure!
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Another slow, lazy day on The Bay....
Why do those boats have national flags on them? what on earth does that have to do with the modern America's cup?
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Thanks for the link Craig. I like the picture of the Star 45 class. They look scale-like. I think Dumas once offered a kit. Now they only have a 30" Star.
Hi Trisquire -

Glad that helped. Here's some links for the Star 45 - It's still a popular class nationally as well as that The Club.

A couple of the links have free plans available and the anglefire one is Milton Thrasher's list of boats that he has lasercut kits and short kits for. Most have good links to further sites and information. Then of course there is AMYA.

http://modelboats.blogspot.com/
http://daveifm.wordpress.com/2008/04...nch-star-boat/
http://star-45.blogspot.com/
http://www.angelfire.com/fl4/mft/
http://woodstar45.blogspot.com/
http://woodstar45.blogspot.com/2006/...r45-plans.html
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If I were to somehow get a hold of a proper vintage free sail boat, I would most certainly leave as is. cherish it, and try to convince the folks in my club to play with the vintage aspect of the hobby.
Yep, yep! No cuttey-up any old boats !!
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Coutts Crash.

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This is a great thread

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Coutts Crash.
I thought Mr. Coutts was a Kiwi... what is he doing driving a USA boat? (into other boats) ??? committee boats don't like that, BTW.. America's cup, a friendly race between nations?
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I thought Mr. Coutts was a Kiwi...
How utterly, quintessentially corporate Americana - The job got outsourced offshore!

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what is he doing driving a USA boat? (into other boats) ??? committee boats don't like that, BTW..
What? just 'cuz he tried to 'squeeze the buoy' on a start and got cut off?? The boat in question being one of 'the buoys.' Not only that, but apparently Coutts personally blames the other Oracle team boat Capt, Spithill, for cutting him off - Sundays match race could turn into a grudge race.

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Aggressively friendly, very aggressively friendly! I thought I heard more than a couple of thuds out there on Friday.

How do you avoid a collision in a "cat." Tighten up your tack a bit, and fly your sponson over the other guys! Wow!
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Hee hee, I figure the corporate logos say it all.

Great pictures!
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Thanks for your help craig_c and bgnome.
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How utterly, quintessentially corporate Americana - The job got outsourced offshore!

What? just 'cuz he tried to 'squeeze the buoy' on a start and got cut off?? The boat in question being one of 'the buoys.' Not only that, but apparently Coutts personally blames the other Oracle team boat Capt, Spithill, for cutting him off - Sundays match race could turn into a grudge race.

Aggressively friendly, very aggressively friendly! I thought I heard more than a couple of thuds out there on Friday.

How do you avoid a collision in a "cat." Tighten up your tack a bit, and fly your sponson over the other guys! Wow!
We kiwis dis owned him teas ago
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It was a really nice, warm sunny day both on the Lake and out on the Bay down by the Golden Gate Yacht Club and the Americas Cup course.


I didn't get out to either site til late, had to take a convalescing kitty to the vet for his appointment in the morning so I missed both the Americas Cup final heats and the morning run on the Lake as well as the early afternoon's Star 45 class heats in the early afternoon.

Just a few folks were left at either location by the time I got there.

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Thanks for the link Craig. I like the picture of the Star 45 class. They look scale-like. I think Dumas once offered a kit. Now they only have a 30" Star.
I've actually been looking at that little guy, and it's size would make a perfect candidate for an up conversion, and could probably sail in the RG65 class. It's size is just about right and it's a developmental class.. But I'm sure a call like that would be up to a official race official, and that may vary venue to venue.

Stevens aero model has all the laser cut bits to build up a proper Star45 and it's something I've considering for a winter build. but no one around here races them, so for the time being it would be a club novelty so it's not on the front burner.
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Isn't the black boat 'black apple,' I think I raced against her a lot of years ago?
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Saw the Americas Cub race on TV it was absolutely fantastic to watch
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I've actually been looking at that little guy, and it's size would make a perfect candidate for an up conversion, and could probably sail in the RG65 class. It's size is just about right and it's a developmental class.. But I'm sure a call like that would be up to a official race official, and that may vary venue to venue.

Stevens aero model has all the laser cut bits to build up a proper Star45 and it's something I've considering for a winter build. but no one around here races them, so for the time being it would be a club novelty so it's not on the front burner.
I looked at your Dumas ace racing sloop thread. Very informative. That could make a fun racing class as well. Call it the Star 17 Class. $33 is a lot less than the Footy kits I've seen advertised. Plus, its a scale model. I half-finished a Dumas ace racing sloop as a teenager. Short attention span in those days. I do remember that the keel was relatively short by today's standards. I don't know if that would present a problem. I noticed that you gave yours a lengthened keel.
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Sub Committee - 2012 West Coast Fun Run Regatta!!!

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The Sub Regatta is Oct 20th and 21st
At the Fly casting ponds in Golden gate park
WOOOT! One of my Fav events!!!! Was about to post looking for this years dates but marcusg beat me to it!!!!


In da meantime, some of what you can look forward to!




No doubt! A predator rich environment!!!


#$%@&*(^# Ski!!!! - Sorry Chief!




On Golden Gate Station...


It's not a conning tower but it'll do




Who's nervous???




John Kinkele's FS1 broches...





Joe Rothwell's mechanical Holland!


mar7ck's amazing mini Flying Sub - wow!!


Sierra Six is a WHAT????????????????????

Links to Prior Years Runs here!
Sub Committee - 2009 West Coast Sub Run

Sub Committee - 2010 West Coast Sub Run

Sub Committee - 2011 West Coast Sub Run
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Anybody want more???
Yes!
Nice work. We were there. Sorry I missed you.
Onward.
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Craig!
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Beer Gnome's Dumas Ace Thread....
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very nice pictures craig c, and a great thread

I am looking forward to checking out Spreckels lake for the 1st time. I will be on a mini-vacation in the city soon. I don't think the wife will let me bring my Revolt 30, and it is a little to big to sneak in one of my bags.
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Lookin' forward to meetin' you at Lakeside. Make sure to post when you're coming.
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Hello Gentlemen,

Tonight on tv's Smithsonian Channel was a one hour show that aired for the first time. The series is called The Real Story, and was titled 'Master and Commander'.
Director Peter Weir's 'Master and Commander: The Far Side of the World' is a fictional film based on Patrick O'Brian's novels about the British Navy in Napoleonic times, but it is one of the most meticulously researched movies of all time. So the credits of the show states.

The show gave in sites to how the story was changed from the truths to make for a better movie for the American public. They talked about the construction of the ships of the day and how one was built to earn the name of Iron Sides from American trees. I enjoyed it and saved it to view again.

As you know this will repeat again and that is why I posted this so you will have time to find it for yourself.

PS
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September Newsletter

September Newsletter below....

Hot off'a da press....
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Hi Tim,
This is Joe Rothwell's USS Holland windup submersible submarine. He fabricated the brass superstructure over a repurposed Chinese windup toy.
He ran it in my pool and it does a great job submerging dynamically.
He also built another version with a Caswell WTC that he won for best scratch-built submarine model contest, with the same model. He has built submarine model for some time. He is a brilliant craftsman with brass sheet and solder. He repaired my 1/12th scale USS Holland after it was damaged during shipping. He is also an very talented artist and works in several medias. He lives in Northern California and sometimes attends the submarine regatta at The Casting Ponds in Golden Gate Park.

Kind regards,
Giovanni
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Since that was published in 2010 there's been a second addition, published in August 2012, including one pic in GG Park.
http://shawnclover.com/2012/08/17/19...blend-part-ii/

Take a look around his site, you might find something else you'll like,


Maybe in the next batch, we'll see a mashup at Spreckels lake with the 1900's shoreline and springers racing around a vintage freesailor.
I can think of a couple of club photographers who could do a reasonable homage to the artist and our hobby.

Haunting images for San Franciscans.
I always look for my grandfather in pictures of draymen, driving horse drawn wagons around the city after the quake. He rescued my grandmother and an uncle from their home, south of the slot and took them out to a relative's near Fairmount School, far from danger of fire etc.
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Ok - I hate washing dirty laundry out for all to see but there were a couple a of accidents recently so, here again, are the rules governing Spreckels Lake. Some are legally enforceable and will result in fines and, theoretically, jail time, others are common sense and the old agreements and Club Rules which only cover Club members but are a pretty good ideas for anyone using the Lake to run model's.

Here is the issue; if people who use the Lake cannot control themselves, then it will be done for them by Rec. and Parks or the police.
Currently, only gas/nitro/internal combustion boats are covered by San Francisco city ordinance (see below) since the fast electrics weren't even dreamed of "back in the day." They exist now and while almost everyone who is using the Lake, Club members and Irregulars alike, have been responsible and careful in their usage, there are a very small minority who can act, as one Irregular puts it, "out of control."

What to do about the "out of control" ones?? This IS gonna get 'walked up the food-chain,' The SFMYC would like to have the input and
participation of the other shareholding modelers who run their boats and yachts on Lake in this. Commodore Bob say he will be chatting with folks Lakeside about this and looking for their input!

Incident - One of the free-sail boats, an X-Class, was hit and the delicate wind-vane steering assembly that controls the rudder was demolished. The next weekend, a 36-R boat, same owner, was struck and had a large hole punched in its side. This was just what we really, really didn't need.

Incident - There was a written complaint with photos lodged regarding an incident during which someone (not one of the Club Members or or one of the Irregulars) harassed the cormorants and other birds with a fast electric on the north-west area of the Lake.
(He is known by sight and he is not viewed as a Lakeside regular by either group.)
  1. Interfering with the wildlife is illegal under the City and County Codes,' (fines and/or jail)
  2. It is illegal under multiple State statutes, (fines and/or jail)
  3. and since the Lake is part of the Pacific Coast Flyway - It is Illegal under federal wildlife statues. (fines and/or jail)
  4. There are a LOT of folks who are birdwatchers and other nature-lovers who use and enjoy the Park. They do NOT have a sense of humor about the wildlife being chased and harassed
  5. It is very likely to bring down the wrath of Rec & Parks and City Hall on to everyone of us, so we who have a stake in using the Lake are just as likely to phone the cops as are the birders.
  6. All those cell phones have cameras - pictures will be taken!
  7. Fast boats should not be over on the north side of the Lake - Power boats should run on the South side of the Lake (see the Rec & Park Dept's rules).
The Lake's regular user's know this, but just so everyone is on the same page - Sailboats may use the lake at any time (see Park and Rec's sign) and have an absolute 'right-of way.' The boats of the free-sail fleet are NOT radio-controlled and must be given a wide berth by any controlled boat, this is basic common sense.

Leave the wildlife alone - period!

The meta-issue here is not just someone got their boat hulled, but safety, and not just our safety, but the safety of every single person walking around or sitting by that Lake. Think about it - you hit a kid Lakeside because your boat "got away from you," you WILL pay the hospital bills and lawyers.

If you have a fast electric power boat, you really might want to consider following the Nitro/IC rules except for days and times. If you have NAMBA insurance, you might also want to consider that if you are moving 'too fast' within 50 feet of any shore - your insurance maybe void (or at least that is my interpretation of the NAMBA safety rules).

If you are within 50 feet of the shore you should not be going over a few miles per hour.

If you are in within 50 feet of the pit-area, the regular users of the Lake ask that you not exceed five miles an hour for safety reasons.
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I know everyone hates me putting this up but it kinda' does cover the old rules-of-thumb on the Lake in addition to my personal (non-binding) understanding of the legally enforceable Recreation & Park Dept. signs which may or may not be accurate.


Most of it is common sense when you come down to it; the extreme east and west ends of the Lake are too small for a big go-fastie to maneuver and loud boats shouldn't be running on the north shore because of the noise that reaches the residents of Fulton Street beyond the tree line.

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OK, Quick refresher course: the applicable law
from the Park Code section of the San Francisco Municipal Code...

(plus the posting on the signs).


SEC. 3.02. SIGNS TO BE OBEYED.
No person shall willfully disobey the notices,
prohibitions or directions on any sign posted by
the Recreation and Park Commission or the
Recreation and Park Department. (Added by
Ord. 603-81, App. 12/18/81)

also

SEC. 4.01. - DISORDERLY CONDUCT.

No person shall, in any park without permission of the Recreation and Park Department:
(d) Carry or use a model airplane which is powered by liquid fuel or designed to be used with such fuel;

And they just added the " No Smoking" sign... SF Health Code, Article 19I


Ol' Mossback
Older(original) sign up a tree,
north (sail) side of Spreckles Lake...

"Model Yacht Facility
No Fishing Allowed
Power boats on south side of lake only between 10am and 1pm Tuesday, Thursday & Saturday only"


and the new signage in a couple of places near the power 'pit area' on the south side of the Lake reads...
  1. Internal Combustion (IC) and Nitro powered boats may be operated on the lake from 10amto 1pm Tuesdays, Thursdays and Saturdays only. Sail boats shall have full access of the lake at all other times.
  2. IC and Nitro powered boats must not be operated at speeds in excess of 15 MPH and must not exceed a decible noise level of 60 at full throttle at 50' from the meter on shore.
  3. All local and state laws must be observed in the interest of safety.
  4. Powered boats are to steer clear of all wildlife on the lake.
  5. No more than two IC or Nitro powered boats may be operated on the lake at any one time.
  6. IC/Nitro powered boats shall be run in a clockwise direction and remain outside of the far-east and far-west ends of the lake.
  7. Radio frequency flags must be properly displayed on antennas whenever in use.
I sincerely do not want to see people and models get kicked off of this one of the finest, purpose built Lake venues for models, modelers and model yachts in the world. As always, this is seems to be a matter of a less than a handful of folks ruining the game for everyone else, but the reckless use of the Lake by a very few has got to stop before we all pay the price.
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Craig, you are preaching to the choir. Do you really think the dipstick is a member here and reads the forums?
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Ok Grumpa, I am offa me soapbox...

Vis-à-vis dipsticks though, I have been surprised with the 'reach' of RCG in the past.

Two other reasons I posted this are that I wanted the Irregulars (who were not at today's meeting) as well as the other members who do read RCG, at least partially up to speed so that they, as long-standing and active stakeholders at the Lake, could have their voice heard when this goes to Rec & Parks as I expect it eventually to do. And yes, a lot of the Irregulars do read the thread like cvctiger, MrLego, racer69. (This is NOT to say that this is any kind of official SFMYC notice or anything like that - just me with a burr under my saddle about a couple of safety issues and being worried about possible repurcussions.)

Please don't let my occasional grousing put'ya off.
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Multi-Club Swap Meet in November....

It was decided at today's meeting that this year's swap meet would be held on the second Saturday of November (the 10th) beginning directly right after the Club's general meeting. Six differentt model boating organizations have particiapated in the past so....

Clean out yer attic.

Personally I made out like a bandit last year - was lottsa great stuff was for sale!
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Hi Craig, thanks for posting the rules and regs at the lake. I've found that I've been going home early to just get away from the crazies. I think many people "today" don't understand how much work goes into a model boat and when they zip past me at wide-open throttle....it's time to go home.
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P.S. What is the actual date of the swap meet? Month?
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I've found that I've been going home early to just get away from the crazies. I think many people "today" don't understand how much work goes into a model boat and when they zip past me at wide-open throttle....it's time to go home.
Morning Bob ~

This is why I enjoy being there at daybreak, its just me, the Ibis and a few folks out for morning walk... the "crazies" are still passed out from activities the night before.
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Hi Tim, are you there now? Bob
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Please don't let my occasional grousing put'ya off.
Not at all. Didn't put me off. I just thought maybe you were talking to a brick wall.
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Saturday, November 10, immediately following the general meeting. (noon-ish)
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Hi Aerominded, thanks for the update. I'm looking forward to it. Bob SF
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Hi Aerominded, thanks for the update. I'm looking forward to it. Bob SF
You're welcome! Looking forward to seeing you there! Always some good stuff!

Looking forward to WBOP too on the 30th!
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sad to say... another sailboat has a hole in it in a speedboat/sailboat collision...
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sad to say... another sailboat has a hole in it in a speedboat/sailboat collision...
???
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???
apparently someone's speed boat lost radio signal, went across the lake, and smacked into a sailboat creating an incredibly big hole. The person who is responsible for the damage has taken the boat and is willing to get it repaired at his expense. I didn't witness it, but heard about it and saw the aftermath.

For all readers, do not jump to a conclusion. I am not stating it was operator error or electronic failure.
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sad to say... another sailboat has a hole in it in a speedboat/sailboat collision...
*sigh* Ok - Pm'd you about it.

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The person who is responsible for the damage has taken the boat and is willing to get it repaired at his expense.
Ok, That's good.

Too bad it happened in the first place. This jus' ain't been our month
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Hi Craig, thanks for posting the rules and regs at the lake. I've found that I've been going home early to just get away from the crazies.
This is exactly the kind of thing that should not be happening! You shouldn't feel tht your models are threatened; the Lake is supposed to be big enough for everyone to play on.

ps Please chat with Commodore Bob and PSO Areominded about your concerns.
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...I didn't witness it, but heard about it and saw the aftermath.
No fun Thanks for the info, Mr. Lego. Was the sailboat one of the S/B's racing today or something else?
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No fun Thanks for the info, Mr. Lego. Was the sailboat one of the S/B's racing today or something else?
Im not 100% sure, but I believe it may be one of the racing sailboats. The two went inside the SFMYC to discuss and come to a conclusion there after the incident.
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Yeah, no fun. I hope it works out for everybody.
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Wow, I'm sorry to hear about this. Glad the two skippers came to a resolution.

Lately I tend to avoid running my steam models on the lake when the go fasts are out for this reason.
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Lately I tend to avoid running my steam models on the lake when the go fasts are out for this reason.
Nick....

Could you please pass your thoughts and concerns on the issue to Commodore Bob and PSO Areominded

Thanks
Craig
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Hi all. I may jump to a different happier subject, the sunken and lost battleship was found early Sunday morning. It was in good shape with not much mud inside. Nothing missing. Within a short time after recovery the guns were operating. It needs a real gooood cleaning but most of the electronics should clean up. By the way, NO hole was found, it must have just rolled over and taken on water. HaaRaaa! Happy messin with boats....
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the sunken and lost battleship was found early Sunday morning
YAAAAaaaaaaa!!!!

Thanks Gerry!!!
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Was the Battleship a victim of a run away go-fast?
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Great news!!! The Lutzou steams again!!! Congratulations to the Salvage Crew!
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What happened? Not good having fast powerboats getting to close to the sailboats. No excues for collisions to occur with under control vessels. I hope I don't read about any more collisions on the lake between power and sail. Such a great place to enjoy our hobby. Ryan
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Hi all. I may jump to a different happier subject, the sunken and lost battleship was found early Sunday morning. It was in good shape with not much mud inside. Nothing missing. Within a short time after recovery the guns were operating. It needs a real gooood cleaning but most of the electronics should clean up. By the way, NO hole was found, it must have just rolled over and taken on water. HaaRaaa! Happy messin with boats....
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1. It was already determined there WAS NO hole to begin with... I dont get how it was even rumored that there was one. You'd have to go faster than a tug boat to puncture a hole.

2. The battleship was at the night run and I believe lost radio? and it was going in circles. As a result, the owner of the battleship asked another owner of a tugboat (with rescue rig) to attempt to speed up and catch the boat. In the result of that, the boat capsized? and sunk.

For those of you reading this, if you have a rescue boat bigger than the boat youre rescuing, DONT DO IT unless its a last resort (like your boat is sinking), otherwise, just let it drift to the shore, otherwise your boat will just get run over and submerge. I was talking to someone near my car on the night run and didn't see the rescue attempt with the battleship, otherwise I would have asked for the battleship to just drift.

3. Rssailor, you are correct. I really dont want to hear more about collisions either. I just go out there to run, and I hate to consistently bring my boat in just cause someone yells "FAST BOAT" like an emergency siren is going off in the city.
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So everyone knows who/what we is talking about. Rob Wood's <Rwood> DKM Lützow* as seen earlier this year at the Boat Handling Challenge - 5 August 2012 with Mr.Lego's 47' MLB in Canadian colors.




* The DKM Lützow was originally the lead ship of her class, the Panzerschiff DKM Deutschland (1933). She was recalled to port, overhauled and re-rated as a heavy cruiser and renamed Lützow in 1940. Scuttled in the shallows in May 1945, she was captured by the Russians, is thought to have been sunk during weapons tests in 1947.
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Every time I see a 47' MLB in CCG livery I wonder to myself "what's my boat doing there?"
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I may be in the vacinity of Spreckels lake on Friday morning / early afternoon. What are the chances of seeing any boating activity at those times?

Rob
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Collisions at Spreckels Lake

Message from the Commodore of the SFMYC,

While I almost never post to RCG. I need to address the deteriorating situation of collisions between "GoFast" electric or gas boats, and sailboats and slower electric boats. If you read the previous pages, you'll see that slower, classic yachts, tugboats, etc, are leaving the lake because of perceived safety hazards of fast boats and collisions. The safety hazards are REAL. Within the last month, there have been 3 collisions between fast electric boats and sailboats, and too many "close calls" to mention between "GoFasties" and slower electric boats.

Last Sunday, a fast electric boat operated by a 7 or 8 year old kid rocketed across the lake at full speed and holed the hull of a Santa Barbara sailboat that was racing on the North side. The sailboat would have sunk if it was in the middle of the lake, but it was maybe 30 feet from shore. A friend of mine who was on the South shore saw the kid throw the boat in the water. It did one turn at full speed, and then took off across the lake. The father was not supervising the kid at all.The explanation from the father to the S/B owner was that the boat was "out of control". In fact, the whole situation is "out of control".

The Executive Board of the SFMYC has requested that I contact the Rec & Park to set up a meeting between the Department and the various "stakeholders" at Spreckels Lake, i.e, Free-sailers, R/C sailers, scale boat owners, electric GoFastie owners, and I/C + nitro boat owners. This "Community Meeting" would likely be sometime in October, after all lake users have been notified, and would be chaired by the Rec & Park representative. The purpose would be to see if there could be a compromise between all the groups that would provide for the safety of people's boats AND THE SAFETY OF THE PUBLIC because it's not a matter of "if", but "when" something fast jumps out of the lake and injures a spectator or bystander, with inevitable consequences

Everyone knows that the 15 mph speed limit for I/C and nitro has been ignored for years. It's my personal opinion that GoFastie electric boats will be added to the Park Code 3.02, and regulated with a 15 mph speed limit, and there will be some coordination between the Rec & Park and the SFPD and/or Park Rangers to begin writing tickets for violators. I'd urge everyone to keep a level head at this meeting, because, as a worst case scenario, the Rec & Park might just get fed up and ban powerboats completely. Compromise is never easy--everybody's going to have to give up something--but let's do our best not to lose model powerboating on Spreckels Lake completely.

Thank you,
Bob Heacock,
Commodore, SFMYC
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Old Sep 11, 2012, 12:27 PM
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Collisions at Spreckels Lake

Here are some pictures of the hole in the Santa Barbara sailboat, and the GoFastie that collided with it.
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Old Sep 11, 2012, 02:35 PM
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On to the happier stuff, DO NOT FORGET WOODEN BOATS ON PARADE on SEPT. 30th. This is a Fun Run type deal and a gathering of Model Boat Guys from all over. A GOOOOOD Time will be had by all. Do not let the name put you off, if it floats it is welcome.
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Old Sep 11, 2012, 05:39 PM
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Every time I see a 47' MLB in CCG livery I wonder to myself "what's my boat doing there?"
haha... I wonder if we'll ever get our boats together...
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I looked at your Dumas ace racing sloop thread. Very informative. That could make a fun racing class as well. Call it the Star 17 Class. $33 is a lot less than the Footy kits I've seen advertised. Plus, its a scale model. I half-finished a Dumas ace racing sloop as a teenager. Short attention span in those days. I do remember that the keel was relatively short by today's standards. I don't know if that would present a problem. I noticed that you gave yours a lengthened keel.
Sorry I missed this earlier!

the keel in the original kit is pretty "scaleish" in comparison to it's real world counterpart. The only reason I added a lenghthend keel to the RC conversion is for the sake of experimentation. and well.. not really knowing what the hell I'm doing.. all the replications of the original free sail version, I've kept the keel length and wieght the same as the original , and all, according to reports, have sailed just fine.

on the RC version the keel is longer, and the wieght is heavier and there is no rational reason for ding so other than to mess around with the design and an attempt to make it so the boat fights harder in the tack.

but everything is still able to modified. if it turns out that once it's in the water that none of that is necessary, or, it's counter productive, I'll probably chop it down to be closer to the length of the original model.

it is a grand experiment after all

the little guy is still on the work bench. Ive taken a step back to figure out some rudder issues and to get my RG65 round ranger "go fast" sailboat together.


I hope yall out at spreckels get it figured out. that's a great purpose built pond, and a invaluable resource to the hobby. I dare say that if there were such issues around here, the P@R guys sollution would be to just shut down the pond to EVERYONE
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Old Sep 11, 2012, 08:27 PM
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<clip>... operated by a 7 or 8 year old kid rocketed across the lake at full speed and holed the hull of a Santa Barbara sailboat ... <clip>
I guess what nearly frosts me most about this latest incident is which part of "Adult Supervision Required" and "This is not a toy" is so difficult to understand?

Maybe the sign should include an "children 13 (or 15) and under running boats must be under the supervision of a responsible adult." This is not just because of their boats becoming projectiles, but also the possibility of having to fish a tyke out of the Lake.

I know, while it isn't absolutely mandatory, the Club 'strongly encourages' a responsible adult to join with and accompany new junior members - always has, to my memory.

I see this less of a "fast boat issue" and more as far too much boat for that age and far too little parental supervision. (Daddy really had never thought this through....)

What frosts me more is that everybody are going to have to pay for the actions of the very few.

ps - Gotta' Love Thunder Tiger's Web Page....
Thunder Tiger - Outlaw Jr. OBL Deep Vee RTR

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*sigh*
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Old Sep 11, 2012, 09:04 PM
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Meh... looks like a shoe...

and it's very unfortunate wording..
that's one of the big problem with RTR models of any strip IMHO. people get them and they have a toy mentality about them, and treat them as such. but the "toy" discssion is more of a philosophocal one and sould be broached else where.

as it is.. yes... any place with models like this should have a under 16 requires adult supervision mandate. and the adult should be held responsible for the actions of their precious little snowflakes, criminally if need be. We as hobbiest are in constant danger of losing our venues because of the irresponsible actions of a few
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...What frosts me more is that everybody are going to have to pay for the actions of the very few.
Well, let's remain optimistic about this- There are a lot of creative people who care about the lake and enjoy using it for a variety of purposes. I'm sure a good solution will be found.
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Well, let's remain optimistic about this- There are a lot of creative people who care about the lake and enjoy using it for a variety of purposes. I'm sure a good solution will be found.
Don had a good one with the buoy, but i haven't seen it set yet...
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Old Sep 11, 2012, 11:28 PM
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A buoy won't stop a runaway $100.00 RTR from going across the lake and slamming into a $1500.00 Santa Barbara or hitting the wall by spectators, etc.

Enforce the 15 mph speed limit.
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