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Old Dec 19, 2010, 01:10 AM
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Thanks Rich. If you fly em, you crash em, and this was my own fault completely. I had did up the mods on a the OLD wing that I had repaired with Hot Glue after tearing it in half on a light post. It was supposed to be simply PROOF OF CONCEPT and then once I knew if the dual ailerons and the re-paint worked, get a whole new airframe and start over from scratch ... Should NOT have been pulling loops with it, in quite cold weather, as that was asking for the "fix" to break in mid-air. Lucky to salvage ANYTHING from that one. I HOPE the motor is ok. If it and the ESC are ok, I might just order a new AIR FRAME ONLY, if they still sell them at HH. Pick up a new AR500, do the rudder and dual aileron mod, with CF spar and cloth cover, as per Ian's bird right away, then a full re-paint. Then you've got a whole new bird.

If the motor is shot, may still do it, just order a new one and new prop. If the ESC is gone as well, it's getting pricy ... might just wait to see if HH comes out with a NEW SPITFIRE this spring. (Fingers crossed.) I can't see going past about mid-summer without some sort of spitfire in my hanger. May have to go with a bigger one, with re-tracts, etc., but I sure will miss my first ever warbird!

Will let you know if I hear anything from Ian on his experiments with alternatives to the Poly-C!

Take care ... and the Spitfire may yet fly again ... well at least "A" Spitfire!

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Old Dec 19, 2010, 01:41 AM
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Hobby King has a really nice looking Spitty that's a meter long and 1.5 meter wingspan, with retracts. not bad either at 120 bucks. I may look at this one myself.

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Old Dec 19, 2010, 03:14 PM
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Looking around the Parkzone site and called HH today ... they have discontinued the Airframe Replacement, Painted airframe and Wing replacement parts and have NONE in stock! There was a SLIP on the Parkzone Warbirds site a bit ago when an employee referenced the "new BL Spitfire" that was coming up. Caused a small firestorm of speculation, with many denials that a SPITFIRE was being planned, saying it was a mistake and was supposed to be a reference to the new P-47 ...

After many pages the HH folks stated something to the effect that OF COURSE they will be coming out with an updated Spitfire "someday" as the original has sold SOOO strong, but just not sure when.

MY GUESS is that they are thinking this spring or summer to release it, but want to let the P-47 get a GOOD RUN. It's the first one with the Retract / Flap ready setup we have been telling them to go with. It's a popular airframe, but not as much so as the P-51 and Spitfire. From a marketing perspective it makes sense to go P-51 BL 4 channel, simple, will sell a ton, updates a classic. Then P-47 with all the upgrades we are looking for, 2nd wave of good sales, then Spitfire with all the upgrades AGAIN, but in a more popular airframe, 3rd wave of good sales. Loads of folks would not bother with the P-47 if the Spitfire was coming soon, but will get it now as it's the FIRST with to be Retract/Flap ready and everyone has been begging for that in the Parkzone line.

I might hold off till summer, see what happens. Then again, if I can find a good Spitfire wing and fuseage I will almost assuredly be re-building this one, I just LOVE the way if flew. (Right up to the point it became a lawn dart!)

Will look at the HK one though Rich, sounds interesting ...

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Old Dec 19, 2010, 06:03 PM
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like I said, a guy on the RCCanada classifieds is selling the wing and tailplane. I believe he's in Milton, ON. would be a good start with a fresh wing and tail.

I also saw a batch of Spitty parts on ebay. it was a bunch of fuselages and other odds and ends. some were damaged and others weren't. might be worth checking into, if they haven't gone already.
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Old Dec 19, 2010, 06:23 PM
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Looking at EBAY right now ... not finding much, but checking. Will also be checking the RCCanada site next. Thanks again Rich,

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Old Dec 19, 2010, 06:25 PM
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any time Marlin.
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Old Dec 20, 2010, 01:08 PM
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Ian,

I hope you don't mind, but I put a plug in on the Parkzone Warbirds thread to get people to come have a look at your work on this thread. A lot of the crew there are doing re-works on their birds and I just thought they HAD to see what you did. It's too good to not show off.

You should post some material on your BLOG on the how to steps, etc. with vid links and I would GLADLY point people at it who are interested in this. You can't argue with results, probably the BEST re-do of a PZ Spitfire I have seen to date.

Anyhow, just letting you know, hope you don't mind.

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Yeah i might just do that Marlin but i'm a bit busy what with another little moderlling project (not a flying one ) and Christmas just a few days away
I do appreciate all the great complements you have gevin me about my spitfire mods/paint job and i'm looking forward to doing the P-51 after xmas too as i've had a paint scheme in mind for quite some time now but i'm not giving any details out on that one apart from she WILL be done in Poly-C
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Old Dec 20, 2010, 01:20 PM
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it's pretty snowy here too Marlin. LOL. they got 100cm in London and they can keep it. hahahahaha.

since Poly-C is a water based polyurethane, I'm guessing Gorilla makes a similar product. I was reading the Poly-C website and apparantly, it contains an agent that allows it to adhere to the wood underneath, which may be an issue with other products. bottom line is, that you won't know unless you try it. LOL. I'll also check around to see what I can come up with at HD or Lowes.

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Hi LuvEvolution
I think you will find that what makes it adhere to wood so good is a small amount of white wood glue (i heard it was watered down a touch too) added to the polyurethane
But good luck with your experiments as i've only done a couple but will be doing a lot more playing about with Poly-C and varnish + white wood glue to see what is the best mix i can come up with but that won't be until the new year as i'm a bit busy,oh the joys modelling but there isn't enough hours in the day some times
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Old Dec 20, 2010, 01:23 PM
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Yeah i might just do that Marlin but i'm a bit busy what with another little moderlling project (not a flying one ) and Christmas just a few days away
I do appreciate all the great complements you have gevin me about my spitfire mods/paint job and i'm looking forward to doing the P-51 after xmas too as i've had a paint scheme in mind for quite some time now but i'm not giving any details out on that one apart from she WILL be done in Poly-C
Now you have me interested Ian! Can't wait to see what you do with the P-51!

Merry Christmas my friend!

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Old Dec 20, 2010, 01:37 PM
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Now you have me interested Ian! Can't wait to see what you do with the P-51!

Merry Christmas my friend!

Marlin
It's only a small build so i can see what/how i want my ParkZone P-51 to come out but still taking up my time,but thats another story
Sorry to read about your Spitfire Marlin and i'm sure if you google PZ Spitfire you will come up with one some where in Canada mate,oh i read about that slip up with the new upgraded PZ Spitfire in the summer too and didn't we all get excited but HH have said just the other day that they are bringing out a shed load of axis planes for the new year,sounds like the good times are coming and they just about said there WILL be a PZ Spitty in there.
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Hi LuvEvolution
I think you will find that what makes it adhere to wood so good is a small amount of white wood glue (i heard it was watered down a touch too) added to the polyurethane
But good luck with your experiments as i've only done a couple but will be doing a lot more playing about with Poly-C and varnish + white wood glue to see what is the best mix i can come up with but that won't be until the new year as i'm a bit busy,oh the joys modelling but there isn't enough hours in the day some times
have you used other products for glassing? I don't want to use epoxy, as it's jsut too heavy for this application. I went to the harware store and they had several water based products, but I'm just not sure, so I didn't buy anything. the only one that was suitable for hobby, was Shellac. this is where lack of experience comes into play. LOL.
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Old Dec 21, 2010, 01:30 PM
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have you used other products for glassing? I don't want to use epoxy, as it's jsut too heavy for this application. I went to the harware store and they had several water based products, but I'm just not sure, so I didn't buy anything. the only one that was suitable for hobby, was Shellac. this is where lack of experience comes into play. LOL.
No sorry mate this was my first time at using Poly-c and spray painting with cans or any other sort of spraying come to think of it,your right epoxy would be to heavy for our foam planes i think and i'm just as inexperience as you it would seem when it comes to glassing,but if i was you and couldn't get hold of Poly-C i would just get some cheap clear varnish then some white wood glue and water it down some then mix the varnish and the watered down glue together until i got the mix i liked but remember to keep some sort of record of the amounts you use for different mixes that way when you do find the right mix you can always duplicate it.
Oh one more thing just make sure you test the mix with some scrap foam but make sure it's the same sort of foam you want to use the mix on as different foams can tolerate different glues/varnish
Wish i could say more but as this was my first ever use of glassfibre cloth and Poly-C i can't but i do hope this will help you out in some way
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thanks for the info. I'll find a solution for sure. I like your idea of the varnish and white glue, so I'll look into that.

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Old Dec 22, 2010, 02:03 PM
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No worries and keep us posted on what you come up with as it could help me or someone else out
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Old Dec 22, 2010, 09:50 PM
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will do.
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