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Old Jul 26, 2010, 07:08 PM
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I wish that they would make a PL10 or 12 as I fly a few 10s helicopters and I don’t to buy two chargers at that price. Does anyone know if they are planning a higher voltage version?

The 3010B will due what I want but I don’t like the slow charge of iChargers.
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Old Jul 26, 2010, 07:18 PM
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Then charge two 5S packs in parallel or purchase two and do not worry about the cost. If you can afford large electric helis the price of chargers should not be a big deal.


Once again the 3010 is not that much slower, look at the data I posted.

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Old Jul 27, 2010, 02:29 AM
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Fred I stated that I was using the default setting on both the PL8 and the 3010B and I also stated they both could be tweaked by the user. I fail to see your point.\
What info bdid I post which is incorrect?
The info in post #7. But by now, it should be clear to everyone that both chargers does the same if discharge reduce is set to 10% on the iCharger. To me that's not more tweaking than selecting CC/CV on the other one. The term 'default' was mentioned at a later stage.

It would be interesting to see graphs (current and cell voltages vs time) for both chargers, charging the same pack. That should reveal why there is a difference in charging speed. A check of the current measurement accuracy would also be useful in this setting, but seems pretty good for both when comparing with the discharged mAh on that other device.

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Old Jul 27, 2010, 05:09 AM
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OK here it is. Post above has link to a different 22.5A (10C) charge of this same ^TP 3S2250 at 22.5A . This time I discharged the pack at 40A to 10V on my CBA III / Camlight Systems CC-400 discharg setup and then first charged at 22.5A on PL8 ,then discharge the same way and charged on 3010B.

PL8 @22.5A
Charge terminated at 2A with 2,063 indicated time 7:29 cells at rest 4.18 / 4.18 / 4.18
IRs 2.3 / 1.7 /1.7


3010B @ 22.5A
Charge terminated at 2.1A with 2,129 mAh indicated ,time 8:27 cells at rest 4.18 / 4.19 /4.18
IRs 2 / 2 / 1

CBA II indicated 2,129 mAh delived during discharge just prior to 3010B charge.


To make test a little more valiad I will discharge the LiPoly same settings and repeat the charge test.

Discharge following first 3010C yeilded 2,140 mAh .

Charge on 3010 7:51 , 2,124 mAh , IRs 2 / 2/ 1 Volts 4.18 / 4.19 / 4.18

Discharge 2,151
PL8 charge 7:33 , 2,144 mAh IRs 2.4 / 1.5 / 1.5 volts 4.18 / 4.18 / 4.18

Charles
Hello Charles,

Thank you for your data and comparison about these two chargers.

Would you please make it clear if your data is obtained from balance charger mode? And which mode did you set for 3010B? Balance speed fast, balance speed normal, or balance speed slow? Our charger has these three balance mode. You can set it to balance fast.

Manufacturers make chargers with little difference about the cutoff conditions. Moreover, different cutoff conditions lead to different charge time.

Kind regards,
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Old Jul 27, 2010, 05:39 AM
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PL8 Preset #3 LiPoly Hi Power
3010B LiPoly Balance Charge
208B LiPoly Balance Charge

Snip from post # 21


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Settings for both were as delivered /default . Either / both could be tweaked by the end users and if one plays that game POWERLAB 8 has the most options available but I felt that most would use the default settings.
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Old Aug 09, 2010, 11:50 AM
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POWERLAB 8 / icharger 3010B

Earlier I listed some comparions . Here are some likes / dislikes

iCharger can be used to discharge Lipolys to store without having to use balancing leads. PL8 requires balancing leads which is a bother at times and seems unnecessary as it does not balance during discharge,however PL8 does monitor cells voltages during discharge and leaves cells closer to 3.85 each. .

3010B had built in ability to store the charge / discharge (cycle) data for 10 cycles and PL 8 does not (must be used with interface and computer to log cycles).

PL8 can discharge at 100 watts internal discharge without heating issues in what I call normal temperatures. 3010B has 60 watts set by default and can be bumped up to 80 watts but gets way to hot past 60 watts ,IMO.

Both are capable of Regenerative discharging but as above PL8 requires balancing leads and 3010B does not.

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Old Aug 09, 2010, 12:02 PM
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I really like the PB8 but I have several 10s setups. I really wish they had made it 10s.


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Old Aug 09, 2010, 12:17 PM
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There are many who feel the same as you do but there are a lot more flying less than 10S setups than 10 plus S setups. Some feel that the cost of being able to charge up to 10S at 30A is just to much more expensive. This logic is somewaht supported by the large packs now being split. I do not agree as if I were forced to purchased split packs the first thing I would do would be to hard wire them back to non split configuration.

There was a rather length debate in the Hyperion chargers thread about the max. celll count / charge issues. Dave insited that since an original DUO could do two ea. 6S at a time it was in fact a 12S charger. Few agreed with him however.

Thunder Power was the first with a 10S charge,first with a 10S balancer,first with 200 watts plus and first with linked charger / smart balancer as well as first with Storage mode and A123 charging ability. Some vendors are more open to suggestions than others. In the end it is always what they feel they can develop,market and get the greatest returns on.

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Old Aug 09, 2010, 04:48 PM
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Does Thunder Power have a high wattage charger in the pipe?
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Old Aug 09, 2010, 04:59 PM
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Yes, the 820C. I believe it is set to be released at the end of September, is a dual charger, 400watts per side.

Charles is that the same info you have?

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Old Aug 09, 2010, 06:01 PM
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Details are scarce but I have been assured that I will have one before they are released.
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Old Aug 09, 2010, 09:40 PM
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Thunder Power was the first with a 10S charge,first with a 10S balancer,first with 200 watts plus and first with linked charger / smart balancer as well as first with Storage mode and A123 charging ability. Some vendors are more open to suggestions than others. In the end it is always what they feel they can develop,market and get the greatest returns on.

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Well, not exactly, my Schulze 636+RS was doing 13s long before the TP was even on the market.
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Old Aug 09, 2010, 09:44 PM
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OK Pete and your Schulze 636+RS cost how many US dollars and while we are at it a show of hands of Schulze 636+RS owners and TP 1010C /210V owners.

I have yet to see a thread here in Batteries and chargers on the Schulze 636+RS but there is allways the slim chance that I missed it. Perhaps you can supply a link to it.


I did find where you had one for sell about 4 years ago.

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showt...schulze+636+rs

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OK Pete and your Schulze 636+RS cost how many US dollars and while we are at it a show of hands of Schulze 636+RS owners and TP 1010C /210V owners.

I have yet to see a thread here in Batteries and chargers on the Schulze 636+RS but there is allways the slim chance that I missed it. Perhaps you can supply a link to it.


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Thanks, Charles, but that wasn't the statement you made. The statement was about the first 10s charger (is it really that difficult for you to stick to the facts at hand?) and the fact is Schulze and Oribt had them years before you had your TP charger. If you do your own searching you'll see that the Germans dominated the charger market long before the Asians took over with their lower cost alternatives.
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Old Aug 09, 2010, 09:58 PM
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And here's someone selling one back in 2003. Note their comment about 13s. Now wasn't April 2003 more than 2.5 years before the TP-1010C came out?
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