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Old Jul 22, 2010, 03:41 AM
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I look forward to you putting the new Zephyr through it's paces, same goes for Ezuhf.



Cheers, kev.
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Old Jul 22, 2010, 03:54 AM
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3mill lam film and proper sparring is lighter than the riteweave and monocoat.
we only use 10 mil under the belly.

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When you say 3 mill and 10 mill what is that exactly?

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Old Jul 22, 2010, 05:42 AM
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Thanks for doing this thread Trappy. I have been thinking to get a really speedy plane for FPV, and this just might be the ticket. Looking forward to seeing the actual build...
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Old Jul 22, 2010, 05:58 AM
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Mark, I believe this is 10 millimeters (I'll be quickly corrected if I'm wrong). If i understand, they use bigger lam film for the bottom.

It sounds like there is no fiber at all anymore ?

Instinctively I would put some fiber around the motor mount, at the front V, and on the belly especially under the areas with equipment where the foam is thin.
Then sand a bit so that once laminated it looks all flush

But maybe the 10 mm film is strong enough to replace the fiber (?). That would be quite interesting.
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Old Jul 22, 2010, 06:02 AM
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the 3mill laminate is certainly strong enough to replace the glass, if you take into account the huge contact surface with the wing.

10 millimeters is a little too much I'd say 10mill means 10 millionths of an inch or something like that. the 10mill thing is less than half a millimeter thick. the 3mill is even thinner than paper.

I will not need to glass the motor mount. the way I build it it's already epoxied to the main wing spars, much to the delight of my neighbors (makes the plane twice as loud )
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Old Jul 22, 2010, 06:10 AM
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That's good I was hoping it wasn't millimeters. Any idea of the wing loading at 2kg?

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Old Jul 22, 2010, 06:14 AM
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not sure. I'd guess about 12 - 15 oz./sq. ft.
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Old Jul 22, 2010, 06:39 AM
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Yes you're right trappy, I just woke up and figured 10 mm as if it was 0.1mm for some reason, lol, I'm a fool. 10mm should be real strong (and look like a box)
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Old Jul 22, 2010, 07:57 AM
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1 mil = 1 thousandth of an inch = 25.4 microns = 0.0254 mm
3 mils = 0.0762 mm
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Old Jul 22, 2010, 08:07 AM
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thanks. looks about right that width.
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Old Jul 22, 2010, 10:34 AM
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Ya you and karl have had some good innovations.

I dont really like the curved spar method on hotwire cut wings it always pushes and distorts the TE and washout a bit .
On the fast heavier non combat wings they really needs to be true and strong due to the weight,the internal spars seem to do this better for my stuff.
I think the combat lite slopers do good with the arc ribbon for durability and flexibility in combat.

Every one has there own methods

I do like the lam film in the 3 mil ,it makes it very tough and rigid, the 10 mil works great to compliment it for rough landing zones too.

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Ya, that's what I would expect, which is why I couldn't quite figure why he was going from a heavy build, to an even heavier build, but it's just the gear as he explained above.
Good quality curved ribbon spars top and bottom can do absolute wonders for
stiffness (might surprise you to know who was the very first person to use them that
way in a chevon wing).

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Old Jul 22, 2010, 12:00 PM
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HI everyone,
Subscribing to this thread.Trappy how does the wing handle windy condition?.I have just crashed my foam plane and I 'm a bit fed up with foam.I want something strong and can handle 20 km wind.

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Old Jul 22, 2010, 12:04 PM
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Anthony, she handles 20km/h with ease. Search for "FPV Rage" on Youtube, that flight was done in 30-50km/h winds.
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Old Jul 22, 2010, 12:18 PM
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Trappy,
That looks promising.i think I'll make the jump into wings shortly.$200 is that with shipping?.

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Old Jul 22, 2010, 12:18 PM
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yes, but not sure if they charge extra for shipping to DODOLAND klique is in this thread, you'll need to check with him via PM. he makes the kits.
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