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Old Apr 10, 2011, 11:04 AM
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OOPS, never mind, it was in the first post, although it only shows ailerons, no flaps.

If you have both, it could be advantageous to droop the ailerons about half as much as the flaps at thermalling deflections only.

Use of "crow" (flaps down, ailerons up) may or may not be a good idea. On the Spectre 120 we found that deflecting the ailerons up took away most of the roll control, as did any more than a small amount of down aileron. For landing, we ended up with about 80 degrees down flaps and 10 degrees down aileron to get the best overall combination of steep approach angle and slowest possible flying speed, while still maintaining excellent control response.

If you do not have flaps, like the 3-view in post #1, the you should NOT deflect the ailerons down to act as flaperons. Doing that would act like adding wash-IN to the wing, giving you some really "interesting" tip stall characteristics. In this case "interesting" is most definitely NOT a good thing! In addition, besides the wash-in problem, it would also mess up the lift distribution along the wing and reduce performance.

As far as deflecting the ailerons up to act as "spoilerons", again you're on dangerous ground. More than a small amount of deflection is likely to cause the lower surface flow on them to separate, which could hurt your control response, just like we found on the Spectre 120.
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Old Apr 10, 2011, 01:55 PM
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Hi Guys,

I got the first wing glassed at the break. See photo. The epoxy went off before I was able to blott it. Life goes on. Stay tuned.

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Old Apr 10, 2011, 02:35 PM
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The second wing went a lot better than the first. I used a slower epoxy. I had time to blott it as well. A little sanding and we will be ready for servo locations. Stay tuned.

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Old Apr 10, 2011, 02:37 PM
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More iron work.

Thanks Don thats pretty much what I thought the case would be but I had to ask.I'll use the prop for a brake like I do with my B.O.T.,I didn't build in spoilers but I have more than enough room to land at the school field.Got some covering done and I find that one more roll of black is in order.I thought I had a roll on the closet shelf but it turned out to be dark blue,some day I need to hang a light in there!The undercamber coverd well useing my trim iron to stick the covering to the rib bottoms before shrinking the rest of it.
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Old Apr 10, 2011, 03:16 PM
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Scottie!
now I can mention that I think there's bent prop a couple pics ago!- one is not in line with the other! inspections are needed! Lookin' great G men!
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Old Apr 10, 2011, 07:08 PM
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Hi Guys,

I only got both wings glassed this weekend. Not a lot of progress. But, sometimes other things get in the way. It's still 50 and raining here, so plenty of time left in the 44 weeks of rain.
It's time for Pinot Gris and cheese with Foxy.

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Old Apr 16, 2011, 10:59 AM
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Hi Guys,

It's a new weekend, and so, here we go. I'm just having some C4 Krank to get me all reved up. I'll finish sanding the join area on the second wing this morning. Stay tuned.

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Old Apr 16, 2011, 12:42 PM
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Hi Guys,

I got the glass all sanded. Now putting in the left wing aileron servo. See photo. Stay tuned.

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Old Apr 16, 2011, 12:57 PM
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Hi Guys,

OK the R.H side is in too. See photo. I used Shoe Goo, so it's going to take a while to set up. Then I'll do the spoiler servos. Stay tuned.

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Old Apr 16, 2011, 03:07 PM
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Hi Guys,

Hay look .............we're having a brief sun break !!!!

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Old Apr 16, 2011, 06:59 PM
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Hi Guys,

The first spoiler servo is gluing in now. See photo. Stay tuned.

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Old Apr 16, 2011, 08:46 PM
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Hi Guys,

I took a brief break and ran out and mowed the grass. Foxy said it was to tall for her. Now it's time for Pinot Gris and cheese with her. See ya tomorrow. Stay tuned.

Bob in Seattle
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Old Apr 17, 2011, 07:07 AM
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I have most of the transparent red on the wings and am waiting for more black to show up for the trim,think I'll start the aileron servo installs as well.
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Old Apr 17, 2011, 09:55 AM
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Way to go Scottie. I'm going to do the other spoiler servo this morning and then on to some basic covering as well. But I have to have some C4 Krank first !!!

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Old Apr 17, 2011, 11:16 AM
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Hi Guys,

The last spoiler servo is in and gluing. See photo. Stay tuned.

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