HobbyKing.com New Products Flash Sale
Reply
Thread Tools
This thread is privately moderated by orange&white, who may elect to delete unwanted replies.
Old May 22, 2012, 01:02 PM
Registered User
Joined Sep 2006
94 Posts
Model Airplane Course for Beginners Lesson 3 MAN July 1947

Lesson 3 scanned and compiled into a single file. In a few days, I will have the
Aug 1947 MAN with lesson 4 and the Nov 1947 issue which may have a lesson 7. There is no beginners lesson in the Dec 1947 MAN.

Bill
wtool is offline Find More Posts by wtool
Reply With Quote
Sign up now
to remove ads between posts
Old May 22, 2012, 08:04 PM
Registered User
Bargle's Avatar
Joined Jan 2007
192 Posts
Thanks, Bill. It'll be great to have all of them.
Bargle is offline Find More Posts by Bargle
Reply With Quote
Old May 22, 2012, 08:40 PM
CV-15 VB-16
giuseppi's Avatar
USA, TX, Friendswood
Joined Jul 2007
1,380 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bargle View Post
Thanks, Bill. It'll be great to have all of them.
+1

g
giuseppi is offline Find More Posts by giuseppi
Reply With Quote
Old May 22, 2012, 09:57 PM
Registered User
Norham West Australia
Joined Jul 2010
81 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bargle View Post
Thanks, Bill. It'll be great to have all of them.
+ 2 stephen
tinklewood is offline Find More Posts by tinklewood
Reply With Quote
Old May 22, 2012, 11:49 PM
Registered User
Joined Sep 2006
94 Posts
Ercoupe by Morris Mountjoy MAN Sep 1947

Nice C/L Ercoupe for "Class A" motors (probably .15 to .19). Could be converted to EP RC. Span is 34 3/8".
wtool is offline Find More Posts by wtool
Last edited by wtool; May 23, 2012 at 01:36 PM. Reason: Adding patterns for plan.
Reply With Quote
Old May 23, 2012, 03:58 AM
WMD
Registered User
WMD's Avatar
Bradford, UK
Joined Jan 2010
1,228 Posts
Nice work wtool. Good to see a plan on this thread. And that's a sweet one.
WMD is online now Find More Posts by WMD
Reply With Quote
Old May 23, 2012, 06:10 AM
Registered User
bmutlugil's Avatar
Turkey
Joined May 2002
2,179 Posts
Nice Ercoupe plan, but is Plate 2 missing?

Bulent
bmutlugil is offline Find More Posts by bmutlugil
Last edited by bmutlugil; May 23, 2012 at 08:11 AM.
Reply With Quote
Old May 23, 2012, 07:51 AM
Registered User
Ratracer's Avatar
Joined Jul 2011
182 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by bmutlugil View Post
Nice Ercopue plan, but is Plate 2 missing?

Bulent
It sure looks like there should be a plate 2.
with maybe a missing fuselage bulkhead or two on it.
Ratracer is offline Find More Posts by Ratracer
Last edited by Ratracer; May 23, 2012 at 08:03 AM.
Reply With Quote
Old May 23, 2012, 01:39 PM
Registered User
Joined Sep 2006
94 Posts
Ercoupe by Mountjoy Patterns

Oops! Thanks for bringing the missing patterns to my attention. I have edited my previous posting and added the patterns.
wtool is offline Find More Posts by wtool
Reply With Quote
Old May 23, 2012, 01:46 PM
Registered User
Ratracer's Avatar
Joined Jul 2011
182 Posts
Again Thank You

Quote:
Originally Posted by wtool View Post
Oops! Thanks for bringing the missing patterns to my attention. I have edited my previous posting and added the patterns.
Thats a fine l@@king vintage plan.
Ratracer is offline Find More Posts by Ratracer
Reply With Quote
Old May 23, 2012, 03:20 PM
Oldrndrt RCav8r
georgewaldrop's Avatar
United States, OK, Ardmore
Joined May 2009
57 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bargle View Post
Thanks, Bill. It'll be great to have all of them.
+ 3 George
georgewaldrop is offline Find More Posts by georgewaldrop
Reply With Quote
Old May 23, 2012, 04:44 PM
UP ELEVATOR!!!! OOPS
dhsmith1's Avatar
Houston Tx.
Joined Jan 2006
92 Posts
Ercoupe

full plan
dhsmith1 is offline Find More Posts by dhsmith1
Last edited by dhsmith1; May 24, 2012 at 02:18 PM.
Reply With Quote
Old May 23, 2012, 09:20 PM
Registered User
Joined Sep 2006
94 Posts
Twin Boom - Air Trails Dec 1943

Gas powered 96" span FF. The article specifies the Goldberg Zipper and Grant X-8 airfoils. I have included these airfoils taken from other plans. They are not drawn to scale.
wtool is offline Find More Posts by wtool
Reply With Quote
Old May 24, 2012, 10:44 AM
Pure rubber
United Kingdom, England, Englefield Green
Joined May 2012
7 Posts
Freeflight rubber duration plans

I was delighted to find several of the above on this Radio Control website. Maybe many of you flew rubber years ago?

There is one plan that I would very much like to have. It is the Thermal Bug, a 30 inch span lightweight from around 1950. Does anyone have one tucked away somewhere?

Best wishes to all from over the pond!
Pure rubber is offline Find More Posts by Pure rubber
Reply With Quote
Old May 24, 2012, 12:26 PM
CV-15 VB-16
giuseppi's Avatar
USA, TX, Friendswood
Joined Jul 2007
1,380 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pure rubber View Post
I was delighted to find several of the above on this Radio Control website. Maybe many of you flew rubber years ago?

There is one plan that I would very much like to have. It is the Thermal Bug, a 30 inch span lightweight from around 1950. Does anyone have one tucked away somewhere?

Best wishes to all from over the pond!
Is this it?

Here's a link to the website that has the plans. Thought it best to give credit where its due : http://www.google.com/url?q=http://t...z4usMEZnw0eWLQ
giuseppi is offline Find More Posts by giuseppi
Last edited by giuseppi; May 24, 2012 at 01:01 PM. Reason: Link
Reply With Quote
Old May 24, 2012, 12:38 PM
Registered User
Phoenixville,Pa.
Joined Jun 2002
5 Posts
70" Sandy Hogan Berkeley Plan

Does anyone have the formers/ribs for this version?
The smaller San De Hogan--55" plan--has them.
Ron in TX
Fatair is offline Find More Posts by Fatair
Reply With Quote
Old May 24, 2012, 03:00 PM
Registered User
Joined Sep 2006
94 Posts
Gnat by Claude McCullough MAN Oct 1947

Nice FF by Claude McCullough 39 1/2 inch span. Note that the airfoil cross section in the middle of the plan was kept at "full size" though the rest of the plan was scaled up.
wtool is offline Find More Posts by wtool
Reply With Quote
Old May 24, 2012, 04:38 PM
Registered User
Joined Sep 2006
94 Posts
The Dual-Air by Frank Ehling MAN Oct 1947

Another Frank Ehling design, twin CO2 power, 44" span. Could be converted to EP RC.
wtool is offline Find More Posts by wtool
Reply With Quote
Old May 24, 2012, 06:54 PM
Registered User
Joined Sep 2006
94 Posts
Cabin Gull Wing MAN Mar 1947

Rubber power, 23" span. Article contains interesting instructions for building the gull wing.
wtool is offline Find More Posts by wtool
Reply With Quote
Old May 25, 2012, 12:51 PM
Pure rubber
United Kingdom, England, Englefield Green
Joined May 2012
7 Posts
To Guiseppe

Now that is some service old boy! Many many thanks!

Hope that I might be able to return the favour.

John Pure Rubber
Pure rubber is offline Find More Posts by Pure rubber
Last edited by Pure rubber; May 25, 2012 at 12:56 PM. Reason: Spelling mistakes
Reply With Quote
Old May 25, 2012, 02:59 PM
Registered User
Joined Jan 2007
23 Posts
All American ukies?

Hi, folks -
Just wondering if anyone might have plans for the Dmeco All American series - specifically the 36" and 51" Senior? I've searched the thread to no avail.
Thanks!
keeferm is offline Find More Posts by keeferm
Reply With Quote
Old May 26, 2012, 09:19 PM
Registered User
Joined Sep 2006
94 Posts
Lessons 4 & 7 Model Airplane Course for Beginners plus article on Prop Carving

Lesson 4 Model Airplane Course for Beginners MAN Aug 1947
Lesson 7 Model Airplane Course for Beginners MAN Nov 1947
Prop Carving MAN Nov 1947.

Lesson 7 was the last in the series. Hope you enjoy the articles.

Bill
wtool is offline Find More Posts by wtool
Reply With Quote
Old May 27, 2012, 01:06 AM
Registered User
hogal's Avatar
United Kingdom, Tonbridge
Joined Oct 2011
195 Posts
Ursa and Twizzler

Well after a long week in Northern Ireland (work and the North West 200) I now present this weeks offerings. Both the Ursa and Twizzler are from the October 1951 Aeromodeller.

The Ursa is a glider with swept back wings and T-tail mounting. In its day it had some contest success so it should be an interesting build. You don't see many of them floating around today, it's a shame. She looks quite pretty but a bit broad of beam, maybe there is an Ursa Minor lurking in there somewhere. It was designed by D.C. Smith.

The Twizzler, on the other hand, is an out-an-out contest model. Designed by Dick Twomey it is a 28" competition model designed for the Jetex 200. It is claimed to have a vertical climb - I bet it went up like an express lift (elevator for those in the Americas). It's a shame we don't still have these motors around, maybe the Rapier's will return!

As always the original colour prints are available (private mail me if you would like them) and if you choose to build from the plans proceed with caution, alway measure well before cutting.

Enjoy them

Al
hogal is online now Find More Posts by hogal
Reply With Quote
Old May 27, 2012, 02:26 AM
Registered User
perttime's Avatar
Tampere, Finland
Joined Nov 2004
4,319 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by keeferm View Post
Dmeco All American series
There's a couple of All Americans at:
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showp...postcount=3862
... perhaps not the exact ones you are looking for, though.
perttime is offline Find More Posts by perttime
Reply With Quote
Old May 27, 2012, 02:37 AM
Registered User
Norham West Australia
Joined Jul 2010
81 Posts
Thank you, wtool for the articles and you hogal for more great plans Again thank you both. Stephen
tinklewood is offline Find More Posts by tinklewood
Reply With Quote
Old May 27, 2012, 02:53 AM
Oldrndrt RCav8r
georgewaldrop's Avatar
United States, OK, Ardmore
Joined May 2009
57 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by wtool View Post
Lesson 4 Model Airplane Course for Beginners MAN Aug 1947
Lesson 7 Model Airplane Course for Beginners MAN Nov 1947
Prop Carving MAN Nov 1947.

Lesson 7 was the last in the series. Hope you enjoy the articles.

Bill
Thanks for those Bill!
georgewaldrop is offline Find More Posts by georgewaldrop
Reply With Quote
Old May 27, 2012, 08:30 AM
Registered User
Bargle's Avatar
Joined Jan 2007
192 Posts
Seconded!
Bargle is offline Find More Posts by Bargle
Reply With Quote
Old May 27, 2012, 09:54 AM
Registered User
Joined Jan 2007
23 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by perttime View Post
There's a couple of All Americans at:
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showp...postcount=3862
... perhaps not the exact ones you are looking for, though.
Thanks, perttime - That page has the half-A version. I'm hoping to find the 36" and 51" models.
keeferm is offline Find More Posts by keeferm
Reply With Quote
Old May 28, 2012, 10:02 AM
Registered User
Joined Feb 2006
159 Posts
[QUOTE=wtool;21721447]Lesson 4 Model Airplane Course for Beginners MAN Aug 1947
Lesson 7 Model Airplane Course for Beginners MAN Nov 1947
Prop Carving MAN Nov 1947.



IIRC, MAN ran another series in the very late 50's/early 60's called 5 Giant Steps by Peter Chinn. I think 2 gliders, 2 rubber models and an .020 F/F sort of F-86 Sabre looking. I think was repeated in one of the MAN Annuals they did back then. Anybody have any info?
AERONCA46 is offline Find More Posts by AERONCA46
Reply With Quote
Old May 28, 2012, 04:36 PM
Edubarca
Edubarca's Avatar
Colombia, South America
Joined Oct 2009
1,234 Posts
I have both the article and full size plans for the 5 Giant Steps. Give me a few days and I will get them scanned and post them here.
Edubarca is offline Find More Posts by Edubarca
Reply With Quote
Old May 28, 2012, 10:03 PM
CV-15 VB-16
giuseppi's Avatar
USA, TX, Friendswood
Joined Jul 2007
1,380 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by Edubarca View Post
I have both the article and full size plans for the 5 Giant Steps. Give me a few days and I will get them scanned and post them here.
AWESOME!

g
giuseppi is offline Find More Posts by giuseppi
Reply With Quote
Old May 29, 2012, 01:31 PM
Am I a Registered user?
Eratix 3D's Avatar
United States, CO, Grand Junction
Joined Feb 2012
205 Posts
How about a Jabberwock?
Eratix 3D is offline Find More Posts by Eratix 3D
Reply With Quote
Old May 29, 2012, 02:08 PM
Reduce the drama...
rick.benjamin's Avatar
USA, OR, Damascus
Joined Apr 2004
4,044 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by Eratix 3D View Post
How about a Jabberwock?
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showt...1003368&page=3
rick.benjamin is offline Find More Posts by rick.benjamin
Reply With Quote
Old May 29, 2012, 02:18 PM
CV-15 VB-16
giuseppi's Avatar
USA, TX, Friendswood
Joined Jul 2007
1,380 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by Eratix 3D View Post
How about a Jabberwock?
Found some plans here: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showp...3&postcount=36

g
giuseppi is offline Find More Posts by giuseppi
Reply With Quote
Old May 29, 2012, 03:39 PM
Am I a Registered user?
Eratix 3D's Avatar
United States, CO, Grand Junction
Joined Feb 2012
205 Posts
Oh yeah, I forgot Randy had some, AKA Pilatus PC 12, He flies at my field.
Eratix 3D is offline Find More Posts by Eratix 3D
Reply With Quote
Old May 29, 2012, 10:24 PM
CV-15 VB-16
giuseppi's Avatar
USA, TX, Friendswood
Joined Jul 2007
1,380 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by Eratix 3D View Post
Oh yeah, I forgot Randy had some, AKA Pilatus PC 12, He flies at my field.
You're welcome,

g
giuseppi is offline Find More Posts by giuseppi
Reply With Quote
Old May 30, 2012, 09:36 PM
Registered User
United States, FL, The Villages
Joined Nov 2008
196 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by giuseppi View Post
Thanks for the Jabberwock, My father built one of these I would guess 1963, I was about 11 years old. We flew it at SEPULVEDA BASIN in Los Angles, flew great. In fact one flight after a long flight landed perfectly on the RC runway. We used an old manual drill to wind the motor.
mikempp is offline Find More Posts by mikempp
Reply With Quote
Old May 31, 2012, 01:52 AM
Registered User
Joined Sep 2011
14 Posts
Does anyone have the plan for CALIFORNIA CHIEF de Aircraft Industries. USA.1936?

janyx is offline Find More Posts by janyx
Reply With Quote
Old Jun 01, 2012, 09:15 AM
Registered User
Joined Jul 2009
343 Posts
Plan Request: Yellow Kid?

Hello.

My friend is looking for a " Yellow Kid"? It may be titled as " Little Kid"? It was an aicraft he built years ago and would like to build another. Any clue?
Thank you
inspec25 is offline Find More Posts by inspec25
Reply With Quote
Old Jun 01, 2012, 09:38 AM
Edubarca
Edubarca's Avatar
Colombia, South America
Joined Oct 2009
1,234 Posts
Good news!! I will be posting "Five Giant Steps" perhaps tonight. I scanned yesterday for USD$4.00!!!! I am cleaning it and then I will post it here together with the magazine article.
PLEASE NOTE: This design goes back to 1961 so it is one year after the limit imposed here for posting plans, but I think there is no copyright infringement.
Edubarca is offline Find More Posts by Edubarca
Reply With Quote
Old Jun 01, 2012, 09:42 AM
Registered User
DeeBee1's Avatar
United Kingdom, England, Brighton
Joined Apr 2007
1,138 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by inspec25 View Post
Hello.

My friend is looking for a " Yellow Kid"? It may be titled as " Little Kid"? It was an aicraft he built years ago and would like to build another. Any clue?
Thank you
The plan is here, post #5946.
DeeBee1 is offline Find More Posts by DeeBee1
Last edited by DeeBee1; Jun 01, 2012 at 09:55 AM. Reason: Added picture.
Reply With Quote
Old Jun 01, 2012, 10:19 AM
CV-15 VB-16
giuseppi's Avatar
USA, TX, Friendswood
Joined Jul 2007
1,380 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by inspec25 View Post
Hello.

My friend is looking for a " Yellow Kid"? It may be titled as " Little Kid"? It was an aicraft he built years ago and would like to build another. Any clue?
Thank you

Is this it?

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showa...2&d=1316411878

g
giuseppi is offline Find More Posts by giuseppi
Reply With Quote
Old Jun 01, 2012, 10:31 AM
I like real wooden aeroplanes!
Sundancer's Avatar
South-west France
Joined Sep 2007
4,898 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by inspec25 View Post
Hello.

My friend is looking for a " Yellow Kid"? It may be titled as " Little Kid"? It was an aicraft he built years ago and would like to build another. Any clue?
Thank you
Easily found by using Vinplandex in post #1 of this thread. It is in Post 5946, page 397 of this thread.
Sundancer is online now Find More Posts by Sundancer
RCG Plus Member
Old Jun 01, 2012, 10:59 AM
Registered User
DeeBee1's Avatar
United Kingdom, England, Brighton
Joined Apr 2007
1,138 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by giuseppi View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sundancer View Post
Easily found by using Vinplandex in post #1 of this thread. It is in Post 5946, page 397 of this thread.
...well at least my version of the reply came with a picture
DeeBee1 is offline Find More Posts by DeeBee1
Reply With Quote
Old Jun 01, 2012, 04:59 PM
CV-15 VB-16
giuseppi's Avatar
USA, TX, Friendswood
Joined Jul 2007
1,380 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by DeeBee1 View Post
...well at least my version of the reply came with a picture
I didn't notice your post 'til after I did mine so I just left it. And your adding the picture was a nice touch.

g
giuseppi is offline Find More Posts by giuseppi
Reply With Quote
Old Jun 01, 2012, 08:10 PM
Edubarca
Edubarca's Avatar
Colombia, South America
Joined Oct 2009
1,234 Posts
I couldn't upload Five Giant Steps. It appeared black!!! Why? I don't know, anybody can help?
Edubarca is offline Find More Posts by Edubarca
Reply With Quote
Old Jun 01, 2012, 10:09 PM
Registered User
United States, SC, Irmo
Joined Jul 2004
2,103 Posts
If the posted plan doesn't work, the Yellow Kid plan is still available from Model Airplane News Air Age Plans as plan X10811 for $14.95.
50+AirYears is offline Find More Posts by 50+AirYears
Reply With Quote
Old Jun 02, 2012, 12:47 AM
Registered User
hogal's Avatar
United Kingdom, Tonbridge
Joined Oct 2011
195 Posts
Junior Miss and SE 5A

From the October 1951 Aeromodeller here are the Junior Miss and the SE 5A.

The Junior Miss is a lightweight rubber model designed by Vic Smeed. Having come from the pen of one of the all time greats the design is guaranteed to be good and work well. You only have to read the preamble to see that the original was capable of some good flights.

The SE 5A was a free plan in the magazine and designed by Ray Booth. It was designed around the Kalper and had a 'massive' span of 16.3/4". The original plane had ideal proportions for a flying scale model and I have no doubt this little beauty would give many hours of pleasure.

As always please be careful if you decide to use my tracings and if you would like my original colour copies please e-mail me. Most of all enjoy.
hogal is online now Find More Posts by hogal
Reply With Quote
Old Jun 02, 2012, 01:57 AM
Registered User
USA, Mt, Billings
Joined Mar 2009
328 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by pd1 View Post
Grumman G44 Widgeon
A Plan for this was posted earlier, while it is a beautiful revamp, it does not open full sized.

I included it in this posting and the original from 1942 Air Trails
This is from about a year and a half ago...in fact I just looked and it's EXACTLY a year and a half to the day. Post #1509.

The two plans are a cleaned up original Plecan plan from Air Trails 1942, the other identifies itself as having been based on the Plecan plan but redrawn/re-designed (and "DWG" whatever that is) in 1997. I'd downloaded the "redrawn/re-designed" plan from the Outerzone resource (but same plan). It's identified as 1/12 scale (1"=1') so should have a 40" span. Had this printed this morning thinking I'd get going on it and maybe have a "floater" ready for late summer fun. Had to scale it up, used the 1-1/2 inch dihedral dimension to confirm a correct scale factor and hit it spot-on (if memory serves, 227%)

Giving the plans a serious going over this evening I find that the two wing panels shown are very different from each other. I had thought it was giving me a right and left panel to build off of but investigation shows one (with all the ribs called out, etc) measures out at 20" to give the correct 40" span. The other wing panel is about 22-1/2" and doesn't call out much of the detail, parts location. What is REALLY problematic is that the ribs, tip, etc, all measure out to fit the "too big" wing.

Anyone seen this or have a reasonable solution? This is a perfect size for me so I'm really hoping to resolve this.

btw, the fuselage appears to match up with the "correctly" scaled wing.

Thanks in advance,

Scottrik
NOISY MUSE is offline Find More Posts by NOISY MUSE
Reply With Quote
Old Jun 02, 2012, 02:07 AM
Registered User
USA, Mt, Billings
Joined Mar 2009
328 Posts
In the mid-late 1970's I built a thermal duration glider (complete with DT fuse, etc) from plans. It was called the Quickee 2 (or Quickie 2, or....?) and I'd like to revisit that build. It flew quite well, especially for a first-time plans builder...I was ecstatic.

Has anyone seen a plan for this or, better yet, have one? I have no idea whether the plan is pre- or post-1960, if post-1960 please hit me up off-line.

Many thanks!

Scottrik
NOISY MUSE is offline Find More Posts by NOISY MUSE
Reply With Quote
Old Jun 02, 2012, 04:39 AM
WMD
Registered User
WMD's Avatar
Bradford, UK
Joined Jan 2010
1,228 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by NOISY MUSE View Post
Giving the plans a serious going over this evening I find that the two wing panels shown are very different from each other. I had thought it was giving me a right and left panel to build off of but investigation shows one (with all the ribs called out, etc) measures out at 20" to give the correct 40" span. The other wing panel is about 22-1/2" and doesn't call out much of the detail, parts location. What is REALLY problematic is that the ribs, tip, etc, all measure out to fit the "too big" wing...
Hi Scottrik,

Just had a look. You're right, that plan http://www.outerzone.co.uk/plan_details.asp?ID=308 seems highly unreliable. The wing panels are certainly scaled differently to each other, and I can't get either of them to fit correctly against the rib shown in the fuse side view. I recommend you simply ignore that version of the plan and refer to the alternative (more original) copy of the Plecan Widgeon plan at ID=653 ie here http://www.outerzone.co.uk/plan_details.asp?ID=653 - that's the one done by pd1.

Steve
WMD is online now Find More Posts by WMD
Reply With Quote
Old Jun 02, 2012, 05:11 AM
Registered User
DeeBee1's Avatar
United Kingdom, England, Brighton
Joined Apr 2007
1,138 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by giuseppi View Post
I didn't notice your post 'til after I did mine so I just left it. And your adding the picture was a nice touch.

g
guissepi - I was only joking, thanks for the reply. Have a good weekend
DeeBee1 is offline Find More Posts by DeeBee1
Reply With Quote
Old Jun 02, 2012, 07:54 AM
pd1
Registered User
United States, MA, Haverhill
Joined Jun 2006
2,157 Posts
G 44 Widgeon redone

Scottrik
I redrew the Widgeon. The scan here is from an original plan not a magazine, so it should be a little more accurate. I added the missing wing and fuselage half.

Sometimes when working with the magazines, sections get scanned at different DPI. This can create scaling errors later. I suspect this could have happened on the other plan.

Sometimes when scanning, the paper doesn't always lay perfectly flat and small errors also creep in. Hopefully this one should be close. The wingspan is 40 inches.

If you need a larger printout, pm me your e mail address and I'll rescale it for you.

Paul
pd1 is offline Find More Posts by pd1
Last edited by pd1; Jun 03, 2012 at 09:15 AM.
Reply With Quote
Old Jun 02, 2012, 01:39 PM
Registered User
Joined Jul 2009
343 Posts
Guys,

Thank you, thats the plans he was looking for. I keep forgeting about the idex! sorry!
inspec25 is offline Find More Posts by inspec25
Reply With Quote
Old Jun 02, 2012, 02:43 PM
Registered User
Ajax, Ontario, Canada
Joined Oct 2004
2,601 Posts
Scottrick - assume you mean Ray Monks' "Quickie" A/2 Aeromodeller March 1952.

Good airplane, builds fast, flys very well
Applehoney is offline Find More Posts by Applehoney
Reply With Quote
Old Jun 02, 2012, 06:35 PM
Reduce the drama...
rick.benjamin's Avatar
USA, OR, Damascus
Joined Apr 2004
4,044 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by NOISY MUSE View Post
In the mid-late 1970's I built a thermal duration glider (complete with DT fuse, etc) from plans. It was called the Quickee 2 (or Quickie A2, or....?) and I'd like to revisit that build. It flew quite well, especially for a first-time plans builder...I was ecstatic.
Has anyone seen a plan for this or, better yet, have one? I have no idea whether the plan is pre- or post-1960, if post-1960 please hit me up off-line.
Many thanks!
Scottrik
Scott
Algy2 posted it on 5 Sept 2011
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showp...postcount=5741
rick.benjamin is offline Find More Posts by rick.benjamin
Reply With Quote
Old Jun 03, 2012, 02:03 AM
Registered User
USA, Mt, Billings
Joined Mar 2009
328 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by WMD View Post
Hi Scottrik,

Just had a look. You're right, that plan http://www.outerzone.co.uk/plan_details.asp?ID=308 seems highly unreliable. The wing panels are certainly scaled differently to each other, and I can't get either of them to fit correctly against the rib shown in the fuse side view. I recommend you simply ignore that version of the plan and refer to the alternative (more original) copy of the Plecan Widgeon plan at ID=653 ie here http://www.outerzone.co.uk/plan_details.asp?ID=653 - that's the one done by pd1.

Steve
Roger that--thanks Steve. At least I know it's not just "me"...

Quote:
Originally Posted by pd1 View Post
Scottrik
I redrew the Widgeon. The scan here is from an original plan not a magazine, so it should be a little more accurate. I added the missing wing and fuselage half.

Sometimes when working with the magazines, sections get scanned at different DPI. This can create scaling errors later. I suspect this could have happened on the other plan.

Sometimes when scanning, the paper doesn't always lay perfectly flat and small errors also creep in. Hopefully this one should be close. The wingspan is 40 inches.

If you need a larger printout, pm me your e mail address and I'll rescale it for you.

Paul
Many thanks Paul. I'll take this one in and get it printed. See where we're at when we've got it on paper and on the table.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Applehoney View Post
Scottrick - assume you mean Ray Monks' "Quickie" A/2 Aeromodeller March 1952.

Good airplane, builds fast, flys very well
Quote:
Originally Posted by rick.benjamin View Post
Scott
Algy2 posted it on 5 Sept 2011
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showp...postcount=5741
Sorry guys--that's not the one. I'd seen it before and hope sprang up...but no joy. Thanks much though. Easy to see where "Quickie A2" (A2 referring to a competition class) could be mistaken (in either direction) for Quickie 2 (by which I assume "2" refers to a second generation or some such).

The glider I built ...having to think back 35 or more years now and THAT is suspect at best...had a balsa-sheeted wing. If I recall it was thin sheet curved over ribs and a spar with steam, hope, and good ol' Testors Wood Glue in the green tube.
NOISY MUSE is offline Find More Posts by NOISY MUSE
Reply With Quote
Old Jun 03, 2012, 07:59 AM
sambino
Waterloo Ontario Canada
Joined Mar 2010
9 Posts
G44 Widgeon

Paul;
There is a problem with the drawing in that the X and Y coordinates are scaled differently. The wheel is a good reference... it measures about 1.9" across and 2.125 high.
Sam
yosemitealoha is offline Find More Posts by yosemitealoha
Reply With Quote
Old Jun 03, 2012, 09:00 AM
pd1
Registered User
United States, MA, Haverhill
Joined Jun 2006
2,157 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by yosemitealoha View Post
Paul;
There is a problem with the drawing in that the X and Y coordinates are scaled differently. The wheel is a good reference... it measures about 1.9" across and 2.125 high.
Sam
I just checked the original scan. This is what I got for measurements:
Wheel Vertical 2.135
Horizontal 2.125
0.01 difference with Photoshop.

I then checked the wing /fuselage saddle to the chord of the wing from the wing plan.

Fuse plan measures 7.251
Wing plan root 7.309
difference of 0.058
A little less than 1/16 of an inch.

I also over layed rib 1 and rib 8 from the rib drawings onto the wing plan form and they fit length wise and spar spacing.
Tolerance within the drawn lines .

The plan is quite old and not in good condition, there could have been wrinkles or shrinkage to vary the drawings over all these years.
It looks like the plan is still build able.

I took these off the original scan, I think when I made the file smaller my computer shrunk the plan incorrectly.
I'll go back and see if I can get the file small enough to post without distortion..

ERROR FOUND

I redid the file and it now is correct.

Thanks for pointing the error out.

Paul
pd1 is offline Find More Posts by pd1
Last edited by pd1; Jun 03, 2012 at 09:17 AM.
Reply With Quote
Old Jun 06, 2012, 03:50 AM
Registered User
Teals1's Avatar
New Zealand, Auckland, Papakura
Joined Nov 2006
362 Posts
Smoky

This Paul Plecan plan is from a very old (1947) Bill Winter's Plan book I have. Thought some may be interested in this old design. Has an interesting 'stepped' dihedral, something I haven't seen before.
Teals1 is offline Find More Posts by Teals1
Reply With Quote
Old Jun 06, 2012, 03:58 AM
Registered User
Modelholic's Avatar
Perth WA
Joined Feb 2007
1,041 Posts
Whilst on the Smokey theme.
Modelholic is online now Find More Posts by Modelholic
Reply With Quote
Old Jun 06, 2012, 05:18 AM
Registered User
Teals1's Avatar
New Zealand, Auckland, Papakura
Joined Nov 2006
362 Posts
Thanks

Brilliant Modelholic. You must have the same book I do!!
Teals1 is offline Find More Posts by Teals1
Reply With Quote
Old Jun 06, 2012, 04:46 PM
Registered User
USA, Mt, Billings
Joined Mar 2009
328 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by pd1 View Post
IERROR FOUND[/B]
I redid the file and it now is correct.

Thanks for pointing the error out.

Paul
ARGH!!!!

I wish I'd seen this BEFORE I went and got the first "revised" plan printed. Got the wings the same size, and printing at 113% made the plan a 40" span per specification. There is definitely an X-Y scaling problem. My measurements on the plan show the wheel at 2-1/8" in the X and 2-3/8" in the Y. Then I chose a wing rib at random (W-4 as it turned out) and measured it on the wing plan (which shows the ribs parallel to the Y-axis) AND the rib pattern itself (which shows the rib parallel to the X-axis). The scaling error was pretty much identical with (from memory) the X-axis at 5-1/4" and the Y-axis at 5-7/8". The error is pretty much 1/8" for every linear inch, or twelve and a half percent.

At least I THINK I had downloaded the earlier revision.

Paul, could you do me an ENORMOUS favor and e-mail me the most recent update to noisymuse@gmail.com . Many many thanks--as I'd indicated this size is EXACTLY what I was looking for for a Widgeon (I've got two significantly larger plans) so I'd like to go with this one.

**EDIT** Never mind Paul...I found and downloaded the most recent version. Just measuring it up on the monitor it looks like our X-Y problem is gone. Off to the printer...again. As they say, third time's a charm Thanks--SS

Many thanks,

Scottrik
NOISY MUSE is offline Find More Posts by NOISY MUSE
Last edited by NOISY MUSE; Jun 06, 2012 at 04:57 PM.
Reply With Quote
Old Jun 07, 2012, 02:42 PM
WMD
Registered User
WMD's Avatar
Bradford, UK
Joined Jan 2010
1,228 Posts
Does anyone have any more (vintage) plans for the Piper PA-18 Super Cub? Have looked back through the index, and there are about twenty J3 cubs, but only the one PA-18 plan ...posted by Edubarca back here http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showp...postcount=2123 and that's nice, but that one somehow hasn't got me excited enough to start clearing the bench. The PA-18 came out in um 1949 I think, so there must be more plans out there..?
WMD is online now Find More Posts by WMD
Reply With Quote
Old Jun 07, 2012, 03:53 PM
UP ELEVATOR!!!! OOPS
dhsmith1's Avatar
Houston Tx.
Joined Jan 2006
92 Posts
Pa-18

OK, Web police got me.
Did not know these plans are being sold.
dhsmith1 is offline Find More Posts by dhsmith1
Last edited by dhsmith1; Jun 07, 2012 at 05:59 PM.
Reply With Quote
Old Jun 07, 2012, 04:10 PM
Edubarca
Edubarca's Avatar
Colombia, South America
Joined Oct 2009
1,234 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by WMD View Post
Does anyone have any more (vintage) plans for the Piper PA-18 Super Cub? Have looked back through the index, and there are about twenty J3 cubs, but only the one PA-18 plan ...posted by Edubarca back here http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showp...postcount=2123 and that's nice, but that one somehow hasn't got me excited enough to start clearing the bench. The PA-18 came out in um 1949 I think, so there must be more plans out there..?
The Piper Super Cub posted by me some time ago, is an excellent model. It flies beautifully and is rather accurate. However, I agree with you. There has to be more plans for this classic airplane out there. Check the Guillow kit for the Piper Super Cub 95. It is extremely accurate and also flies very well although limited due to high weight. It can be enlarged with Photoshop or similar hardware, lighten the structure and build for RC. It will fly beautifully. If you want a copy of the plan write to me: edubarca1946@gmail.com. I cannot post it here because the kit is still been made. Good luck!!!
Edubarca is offline Find More Posts by Edubarca
Last edited by Edubarca; Jun 07, 2012 at 04:17 PM.
Reply With Quote
Old Jun 07, 2012, 07:30 PM
CV-15 VB-16
giuseppi's Avatar
USA, TX, Friendswood
Joined Jul 2007
1,380 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by WMD View Post
Does anyone have any more (vintage) plans for the Piper PA-18 Super Cub? Have looked back through the index, and there are about twenty J3 cubs, but only the one PA-18 plan ...posted by Edubarca back here http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showp...postcount=2123 and that's nice, but that one somehow hasn't got me excited enough to start clearing the bench. The PA-18 came out in um 1949 I think, so there must be more plans out there..?
Did you see this one @ OuterZone? Same plan but cleaner looking.

http://www.outerzone.co.uk/plan_details.asp?ID=737

Also, not sure where these came from but they were in my plans folder.



g
giuseppi is offline Find More Posts by giuseppi
Last edited by giuseppi; Jun 07, 2012 at 07:41 PM.
Reply With Quote
Old Jun 08, 2012, 02:23 AM
WMD
Registered User
WMD's Avatar
Bradford, UK
Joined Jan 2010
1,228 Posts
Hi giuseppi, and thanks. Yes, I have seen that plan at Outerzone thanks as it happens it was me that put the cleaned up plan onto there, yesterday. I was really hoping that some older pre-1960 plans would surface, but thanks for your help.

Steve
WMD is online now Find More Posts by WMD
Reply With Quote
Old Jun 08, 2012, 05:58 AM
Registered User
Joined Sep 2011
67 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by WMD View Post
Does anyone have any more (vintage) plans for the Piper PA-18 Super Cub?
The plan for the 18 inch Sterling kit of the PA-18a Super Cub is on Hip Pocket at

http://www.hippocketaeronautics.com/...t_id=60&page=3

Roger
rogerc41 is offline Find More Posts by rogerc41
Reply With Quote
Old Jun 08, 2012, 07:03 PM
Scott R/C Time Pilot
orange&white's Avatar
NorthBend/Coos Bay,Oregon USA
Joined Dec 2009
1,492 Posts
Oops
orange&white is offline Find More Posts by orange&white
Reply With Quote
Old Jun 09, 2012, 03:05 AM
Registered User
hlsat's Avatar
Ελλάδα, Ανατολική Μακεδονία Θράκη, Βιστωνίδα
Joined Jul 2006
848 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by orange&white View Post
Oops
It would be a big event and miracle literally, if my own posts here would be still active in the forums right here.

Thanks for cleaning reports.

Elijah.
hlsat is offline Find More Posts by hlsat
Reply With Quote
Old Jun 09, 2012, 08:06 PM
Edubarca
Edubarca's Avatar
Colombia, South America
Joined Oct 2009
1,234 Posts
The Sterling rubber powered 18" span Super Cub is semi scale. The best and most accurate one is the Guillows, and it flies very well.
Edubarca is offline Find More Posts by Edubarca
Reply With Quote
Old Jun 10, 2012, 05:34 AM
Registered User
hogal's Avatar
United Kingdom, Tonbridge
Joined Oct 2011
195 Posts
Fokker Triplane and Scrambler

Good morning all, well in the UK at least. I have now finished watching the TT's for this year and already booked to get to the Isle of Man next year. It's a shame that the Senior had to be cancelled this year but that is the way it goes with the weather. Well done to all the lads, big names and little guys, who took part.

Now away from motorbikes and,from the Aeromodeller of November 1951, I present the Fokker Triplane and Scramber and two more different plane's you couldn't meet.

The Triplane is a free flight scale designed model by P.E. Norman. The designer's name speaks for itself as far as accuracy and functionality are concerned. The model is designed for 2.5 to 3.5 cc motors turning nothing less than an 11" x 6" prop, certainly a nice diesel with loads of torque is being asked for here. Trimming such a plane would call for the utmost patience and dedication, or would three or four channel radio be better.

The Scramble, on the other hand, is a Class 'B' team racer. A very sleek and well designed model from the start of the Team Race history. There certainly no room for drag in this design. By the 1951 season it already had a string of victories to it's name. A credit to it's designer Johnny Jones.

As always with my drawings they are tracings from scans of the original articles and so may contain inaccuracies. If you choose to build from them please take care. The Triplane plan is in colour because I couldn't get the Black and White print below 3MB, if you would like a copy of it please send a mail.

Enjoy your day

Al
hogal is online now Find More Posts by hogal
Reply With Quote
Old Jun 10, 2012, 09:44 AM
Registered User
Canada, ON, Hamilton
Joined Oct 2005
2,696 Posts
Thanks Al. I really do enjoy your "print" versions. Lots of work!
John
JohnAV8R is offline Find More Posts by JohnAV8R
Reply With Quote
Old Jun 10, 2012, 06:00 PM
Got Foam?
mjcmyers's Avatar
United States, TN, Greeneville
Joined Sep 2011
283 Posts
Hey Hogal, Do you have any other drawings not listed in the attachments of your blog?
I'm itchin' to do a scratch build and just can't find anything I like. Also the reason I ask is I am a big fan of your work and you have some of the best drawings out there...
mjcmyers is offline Find More Posts by mjcmyers
Reply With Quote
Old Jun 11, 2012, 05:45 AM
Flying Low
cbarnes0061's Avatar
United States, VA, Petersburg
Joined Mar 2012
614 Posts
Just found this thread and I love it. Only made it to page 9 so far and have seen some great stuff.
cbarnes0061 is offline Find More Posts by cbarnes0061
Reply With Quote
Old Jun 11, 2012, 12:19 PM
Registered User
hlsat's Avatar
Ελλάδα, Ανατολική Μακεδονία Θράκη, Βιστωνίδα
Joined Jul 2006
848 Posts
Calling all.

I am pleased to invite all of you who are involved in plans to visit this new address here

http://www.aeromodelistis.com/smfgr/

It is the first Greek forum with special reference to the drawings.
Greek language subject header Sxediothiki (lessons for all, positions for magazines, companies, etc.)
English translation Plan holder.

It is still a small stock plans but slowly renewed.
It is strictly controlled in these posts.
All checked before found online than me I am the coordinator.

Consult translator and come to see many.
1) Very good quality treatment plans.
2) Correct technical information for all.
3) Correct photos etc.

Enjoy.

Elijah Greece.
hlsat is offline Find More Posts by hlsat
Last edited by hlsat; Jun 11, 2012 at 03:31 PM.
Reply With Quote
Old Jun 12, 2012, 04:56 AM
Registered User
hlsat's Avatar
Ελλάδα, Ανατολική Μακεδονία Θράκη, Βιστωνίδα
Joined Jul 2006
848 Posts
An effort again in any other communication for Plan holder ( Greek Sxediothiki plans )


http://www.aeromodelistis.com/smfgr/...php?board=92.0
hlsat is offline Find More Posts by hlsat
Last edited by hlsat; Jun 12, 2012 at 05:55 AM.
Reply With Quote
Old Jun 12, 2012, 05:52 AM
Registered User
hlsat's Avatar
Ελλάδα, Ανατολική Μακεδονία Θράκη, Βιστωνίδα
Joined Jul 2006
848 Posts
An effort even for Greek collection plans.Here

http://www.aeromodelistis.com/smfgr/...php?board=92.0

Guide visit of a Greek Forum for projects.

Look all photos
hlsat is offline Find More Posts by hlsat
Reply With Quote
Old Jun 12, 2012, 06:54 PM
Model Designer
keven64's Avatar
United Kingdom, England, Burnley
Joined Apr 2001
5,501 Posts
hlsat,

Thanks - that's great - but your link is 'all Greek' - to most of us

By the way - with respect - the English phrase is 'high wing' - not 'upwing'...

Keven.
keven64 is offline Find More Posts by keven64
Reply With Quote
Old Jun 12, 2012, 07:58 PM
Registered User
United States, WA, Eastsound
Joined Feb 2011
31 Posts
Google Translate

Quote:
Originally Posted by keven64 View Post
hlsat,

Thanks - that's great - but your link is 'all Greek' - to most of us

By the way - with respect - the English phrase is 'high wing' - not 'upwing'...

Keven.
Ah, yes. That's what Google Translate is for. It's not perfect but opens up the rest of the world that doesn't speak english to us.

Isn't that cool?
Ibid is offline Find More Posts by Ibid
Reply With Quote
Old Jun 12, 2012, 10:29 PM
Model Designer
keven64's Avatar
United Kingdom, England, Burnley
Joined Apr 2001
5,501 Posts
...it was a joke - an old saying - "it's all Greek to me"...

...and Google Translate is just as bad as Babelfish

Keven.
keven64 is offline Find More Posts by keven64
Reply With Quote
Old Jun 12, 2012, 10:42 PM
Registered User
USA, PA, Westmoreland Co.
Joined Aug 2008
1,350 Posts
is there a problem with Outerzone? I haven't been able to view it today, and yesterday got to thefront page but couldn't download anything.
jonquinn is online now Find More Posts by jonquinn
Reply With Quote
Old Jun 12, 2012, 11:28 PM
RC Adddict
Wilfor's Avatar
Canada, BC, Williams Lake
Joined Jan 2010
4,322 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by jonquinn View Post
is there a problem with Outerzone? I haven't been able to view it today, and yesterday got to thefront page but couldn't download anything.
Site doesnt work for me either
Wilfor is offline Find More Posts by Wilfor
Reply With Quote
Old Jun 12, 2012, 11:53 PM
Model Designer
keven64's Avatar
United Kingdom, England, Burnley
Joined Apr 2001
5,501 Posts
I have also been unable to use it.

"The page cannot be displayed"...
...yet the little Outerzone logo is shown in the top tab header...?

Keven.
keven64 is offline Find More Posts by keven64
Reply With Quote
Old Jun 13, 2012, 12:02 AM
AMA 667982 KG7NKY
starcad's Avatar
Tucson, AZ, USA
Joined Sep 2000
2,008 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by jonquinn View Post
is there a problem with Outerzone? I haven't been able to view it today, and yesterday got to thefront page but couldn't download anything.

This is what I got.

The page cannot be displayed
The request cannot be processed at this time. The amount of traffic exceeds the Web site's configured capacity.
starcad is offline Find More Posts by starcad
Reply With Quote
Old Jun 13, 2012, 02:21 AM
Registered User
Ratracer's Avatar
Joined Jul 2011
182 Posts
Outerzone is back up and running now
Ratracer is offline Find More Posts by Ratracer
Reply With Quote
Old Jun 13, 2012, 03:40 AM
WMD
Registered User
WMD's Avatar
Bradford, UK
Joined Jan 2010
1,228 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ratracer View Post
Outerzone is back up and running now
Morning, friends. Sorry. Outerzone does go down once in a while (say about once every 14 days). The short answer to this is - wait a bit, then come back later. About 6 hours later.

The longer answer is: like I say on the FAQ page - Because it is hosted on a budget server, to save on running costs. When Outerzone gets too busy, ie when many users are downloading many plans at the same time, the site will shut down for a few hours. Then it will pop back up again and everything will carry on as before. So if you can't access the site, the solution really is just to wait a few hours and come back later.

An even longer answer would be: I have just checked the download log for last night, and there were none between 01:56:33 and 07:12:16 (UK time). So that was the outage persiod, give or take a minute either way. Normally there are downloads in the log for every minute of every day. Total downloads (since 28/06/11) are 1,565,204. Last month the site overall got 1,438,886 hits.

I appreciate that downtime is a disturbance to users. But it's a free service, volunter run with no subscriptions and free access to all users. Downloads are free - and I am determined that they will be free for ever. A better hosting service will cost more money. I am not inclined to spend more of my money than I already am on hosting the site, not right now. But I am always happy to talk about how this might all work out in the future.

Steve
WMD is online now Find More Posts by WMD
Reply With Quote
Old Jun 13, 2012, 04:29 AM
Registered User
hlsat's Avatar
Ελλάδα, Ανατολική Μακεδονία Θράκη, Βιστωνίδα
Joined Jul 2006
848 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by keven64 View Post
hlsat,

Thanks - that's great - but your link is 'all Greek' - to most of us

By the way - with respect - the English phrase is 'high wing' - not 'upwing'...

Keven.
Read the technical characteristics of Greek in the correct terminology in high wing if it bothers the terminology within the photo did not mind this detail.

Okay Keven we are Greeks and our communication language has features in our daily lives like yours. I understand the difficulty you can watch us but so are these. But if the will and pay a good effort all made in present day. All other beliefs that are simply excuses. The communication effort is the end result.

But Thanks for your efforts to those who visited.

Elijah.
hlsat is offline Find More Posts by hlsat
Last edited by hlsat; Jun 13, 2012 at 04:38 AM.
Reply With Quote
Old Jun 13, 2012, 04:43 AM
Model Designer
keven64's Avatar
United Kingdom, England, Burnley
Joined Apr 2001
5,501 Posts
Elijah,

My recent comments were solely to illustrate that the use of translation sites does not work well.

I assumed that is what you use when translating (model) aeroplane terms...

...because if you did know more than the basic English - you would not have been calling high wing models 'upwing' all this time !

Keven.

edit: ...at times - even the English is "all Greek to me" - as above... ( ? ! ? )
...but this has no relevance to your efforts with the plans, eh ?
keven64 is offline Find More Posts by keven64
Last edited by keven64; Jun 13, 2012 at 09:56 AM. Reason: added comment
Reply With Quote
Old Jun 13, 2012, 04:55 AM
Flying Low
cbarnes0061's Avatar
United States, VA, Petersburg
Joined Mar 2012
614 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by WMD View Post
Morning, friends. Sorry. Outerzone does go down once in a while (say about once every 14 days). The short answer to this is - wait a bit, then come back later. About 6 hours later.

The longer answer is: like I say on the FAQ page - Because it is hosted on a budget server, to save on running costs. When Outerzone gets too busy, ie when many users are downloading many plans at the same time, the site will shut down for a few hours. Then it will pop back up again and everything will carry on as before. So if you can't access the site, the solution really is just to wait a few hours and come back later.

An even longer answer would be: I have just checked the download log for last night, and there were none between 01:56:33 and 07:12:16 (UK time). So that was the outage persiod, give or take a minute either way. Normally there are downloads in the log for every minute of every day. Total downloads (since 28/06/11) are 1,565,204. Last month the site overall got 1,438,886 hits.

I appreciate that downtime is a disturbance to users. But it's a free service, volunter run with no subscriptions and free access to all users. Downloads are free - and I am determined that they will be free for ever. A better hosting service will cost more money. I am not inclined to spend more of my money than I already am on hosting the site, not right now. But I am always happy to talk about how this might all work out in the future.

Steve
Just checked out this site and it is sweet Found a sweet 100" wingspan Curtis Jenny. May be my next project after I finish the 30% Cap 232 I'm building.
cbarnes0061 is offline Find More Posts by cbarnes0061
Reply With Quote
Old Jun 13, 2012, 05:34 AM
Model Designer
keven64's Avatar
United Kingdom, England, Burnley
Joined Apr 2001
5,501 Posts
Quote:
Steve said (snip)
I appreciate that downtime is a disturbance to users. But it's a free service, volunter run with no subscriptions and free access to all users. Downloads are free - and I am determined that they will be free for ever. A better hosting service will cost more money. I am not inclined to spend more of my money than I already am on hosting the site, not right now. But I am always happy to talk about how this might all work out in the future.

Steve
I shall send you a message later - I need to go out immediately.

Keven.
keven64 is offline Find More Posts by keven64
Reply With Quote
Old Jun 13, 2012, 12:46 PM
Registered User
Ratracer's Avatar
Joined Jul 2011
182 Posts
Outerzone

It's only a miner inconvenience Steve.

All great website need a little downtime for maintenance every now and then.
Ratracer is offline Find More Posts by Ratracer
Reply With Quote
Old Jun 13, 2012, 12:49 PM
MnM
Registered User
MnM's Avatar
Portugal, Porto
Joined Aug 2001
69 Posts
Outerzone: 1.5 million downloads!!! What would be even more amazing would be 1.5 million new models built and flying, but human nature is what it is (me included!!)

Elias, congratulations on your effort, don't worry about some tranlator quibbles that are not your responsibility anyway!
MnM is offline Find More Posts by MnM
Reply With Quote
Old Jun 13, 2012, 12:52 PM
MnM
Registered User
MnM's Avatar
Portugal, Porto
Joined Aug 2001
69 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ibid View Post
Ah, yes. That's what Google Translate is for. It's not perfect but opens up the rest of the world that doesn't speak english to us.

Isn't that cool?
You got it the other way round. Most of the "rest of the world" speaks English (me included ), it's not our fault if you English native speakers speak no Restoftheworldish
MnM is offline Find More Posts by MnM
Reply With Quote
Old Jun 13, 2012, 01:28 PM
Registered User
Ratracer's Avatar
Joined Jul 2011
182 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by MnM View Post
You got it the other way round. Most of the "rest of the world" speaks English (me included ), it's not our fault if you English native speakers speak no Restoftheworldish
Agreed

lbid
The bottom line is (Google Translator SUCKS)
Ratracer is offline Find More Posts by Ratracer
Last edited by Ratracer; Jun 13, 2012 at 01:33 PM.
Reply With Quote
Old Jun 13, 2012, 01:58 PM
Registered User
United States, WA, Eastsound
Joined Feb 2011
31 Posts
Google Translate

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ratracer View Post
Agreed

lbid
The bottom line is (Google Translator SUCKS)
It is easy to be critical of the imperfections inherent in such complex processes. The fact is the English language as spoken in north america is so littered with colloquial expressions as to make the process almost impossible. Try iliminating these expressions from your own conversation for even an hour and you will see the difficulty.
Ibid is offline Find More Posts by Ibid
Reply With Quote
Old Jun 13, 2012, 02:22 PM
Registered User
hlsat's Avatar
Ελλάδα, Ανατολική Μακεδονία Θράκη, Βιστωνίδα
Joined Jul 2006
848 Posts
Elias, congratulations on your effort, don't worry about some tranlator quibbles that are not your responsibility anyway![/QUOTE]

Thanks frend.
hlsat is offline Find More Posts by hlsat
Reply With Quote
Old Jun 13, 2012, 05:07 PM
Registered User
USA, Mt, Billings
Joined Mar 2009
328 Posts
re: Plecan Grumman Widgeon from Air Trails Dec 1942

Quote:
Originally Posted by NOISY MUSE View Post
**EDIT** Never mind Paul...I found and downloaded the most recent version. Just measuring it up on the monitor it looks like our X-Y problem is gone. Off to the printer...again. As they say, third time's a charm Thanks--SS
Got the plans printed, at 100% they come in at 39-11/6" which is WELL within rounding "error" for the designer to call 40". BTW printing at 101% nails 40" spot-on.

The not as good news...these appear to be pretty much for a static only model. For old free-flight birds I don't expect moving control surfaces, etc, but the plan shows no provisions for power at all, motor or rubber.

Ah well, looks like I get to "downsize" one of my larger plans.

Many thanks to pd1--we gave it a heck of a shot!!

Traveling for the last week and out another week. Visiting my folks, building a Dumas Ercoupe (design by Pat Tritle, prototype build thread here on RC Groups). Seems like a pretty neat kit, albeit modern (and a kit).
NOISY MUSE is offline Find More Posts by NOISY MUSE
Reply With Quote
Old Jun 13, 2012, 05:08 PM
Registered User
USA, Mt, Billings
Joined Mar 2009
328 Posts
Double post--sorry. Not my computer.
NOISY MUSE is offline Find More Posts by NOISY MUSE
Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools

Similar Threads
Category Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Gallery Vintage & Old-Timer Plans built gallery orange&white Vintage & Old-Timer Designs 427 Aug 06, 2014 05:20 AM
Discussion Best source for Vintage/Old Timer plans? river-studio Vintage & Old-Timer Designs 18 Nov 09, 2012 08:56 AM
For Sale Old timer Sal Taibi plans Biper/Piper Aircraft - Fuel - Airplanes (FS/W) 2 Aug 15, 2011 10:30 AM