Originally Posted by 1Pilgrim

I've finally flown it long enough to start noticing some details - why does the SR 120 appear to tilt to one side all the time? It flies just fine but looks kinda weird.

Torque. All helicopters will tilt unless they are so big the weight compensates.

yeah; its pretty easy really

just get high enough; pull back on the stick and go into a half arch, then push forward and hold, the heli should flip

Originally Posted by BattleDude

Tonight I looped my 120

No way man! U did seriously![/QUOTE]

Same here

and the helis I did fly were CP, and now i'm having a hard time flying 120 due to pendulum effect lol.

had a good flight tonight though, but winds were low

Ron

you have some walkera's do you not?

Have you seen or heard about the new Genius CP?

I want one

Originally Posted by A Rdnek

I'm good, got to admit, I have been ignoring my helis too much this summer. Been flying planks.
Winter season, indoor coming up, looking forward to that.
MSR
SR120
mCPX
Ron

makes me wonder what is wrong with mine?

Originally Posted by Saxguy1000

No, it amazed me the first time when I gave it what I knew as normal throttle and it shot right up.

Originally Posted by Razors edge 29

Same here

and the helis I did fly were CP, and now i'm having a hard time flying 120 due to pendulum effect lol.

had a good flight tonight though, but winds were low

Ron

you have some walkera's do you not?

Have you seen or heard about the new Genius CP?

I want one

I had a 4#6, that wasn't too bad, I guess. Thankfully I got rid of it when I got the mCPX.
I DO NOT want another Xalkera. Genius or Exodus, thank You.
Ron

that bad eh?

Originally Posted by A Rdnek

I had a 4#6, that wasn't too bad, I guess. Thankfully I got rid of it when I got the mCPX.
I DO NOT want another Xalkera. Genius or Exodus, thank You.
Ron

Originally Posted by 1Pilgrim

I've finally flown it long enough to start noticing some details - why does the SR 120 appear to tilt to one side all the time? It flies just fine but looks kinda weird.

I think its normal Pilgrim. All mine do it. Its just from the inertia of the rotor blades turning in one direction, and the tail rotor trying to counter that motion of the main blades.

Originally Posted by BattleDude

I think its normal Pilgrim. All mine do it. Its just from the inertia of the rotor blades turning in one direction, and the tail rotor trying to counter that motion of the main blades.

I remember the little toy gyroscopes we had as kids. We'd get them spinning then set them on the table to see how long they'd go before falling over. If we pushed on the top of the "cage", i.e. applied torque to the spinning axis, the gyro would try to move at right angles to the direction we pushed - precession.

The tail rotor of a heli is always applying torque at an angle to the axis of the main rotor - I wonder if we aren't just seeing the heli respond by precessing? This wouldn't happen to a coaxial heli since no torque is applied to the axis of the spinning rotors.

Precession wouldn't be as noticeable in a larger, heavier heli. As the earth revolves around the sun it is constantly moving at an angle to its own rotation; the sun applies gravitational "torque" at right angles to the earth's axis. It takes 22,000 years for the earth to "wobble" - precess - in response.

Jon

Originally Posted by 1Pilgrim

It takes 22,000 years for the earth to "wobble" - precess - in response.

Jon

On yeah, I think I felt that wobble just as I got out of bed this morning.
Ron

Originally Posted by BattleDude

I think its normal Pilgrim. All mine do it. Its just from the inertia of the rotor blades turning in one direction, and the tail rotor trying to counter that motion of the main blades.

The main rotor must supply some lateral thrust vector to counteract the sideways thrust of the tail rotor. If the main rotor was level, the helicopter would move sideways. This occurs on all single rotor helicopters.

The sideways thrust from the tail rotor worst case is when hovering (actually accelerating out of a hover). You are most likely notice this effect when trying to hover in one spot.

Originally Posted by ssobol

The main rotor must supply some lateral thrust vector to counteract the sideways thrust of the tail rotor. If the main rotor was level, the helicopter would move sideways. This occurs on all single rotor helicopters.

The sideways thrust from the tail rotor worst case is when hovering (actually accelerating out of a hover). You are most likely notice this effect when trying to hover in one spot.

The tail rotor controls yaw, right? It counteracts the tendency of the heli to rotate in the same direction as the main rotor; varying the tail motor speed allows the heli to yaw left or right - or not. How could the tail rotor move the entire heli sideways?

Originally Posted by Razors edge 29

makes me wonder what is wrong with mine?

I was flying again today against a breeze when it took my heli away and about to crash. I hit the throttle and it popped right up out of it's near crash. This was with the extra weight of lights and a 2nd battery. I am thinking that you didn't get a good one.

Originally Posted by 1Pilgrim

The tail rotor controls yaw, right? It counteracts the tendency of the heli to rotate in the same direction as the main rotor; varying the tail motor speed allows the heli to yaw left or right - or not. How could the tail rotor move the entire heli sideways?

Because while the tail rotor's primary purpose is to create or stop a rotation or "anti-torque" (force + moment arm), since you do not have another one on the front pointing the other way, it is also generating an unbalanced linear force. As hovering has been described as balancing a marble on a beach-ball covered in oil, it doesn't take very much (really the inside of a bowl for the 45* flybar on the 120SR). And while the seat of your pants tells you "if an unbalanced force acted there, wouldn't that spin it around" --remember, the tail rotor's entire job is attempting to restrain that sort of thing already, so it is only the small unbalanced bit that needs a slight lean in the main rotors to balance it out.

v/r,
C-F

Perhaps

I am thinking its my lipos - my intellect 550's are getting tired and wont even fly for 4 min anymore.

need some hyperions maybe

Originally Posted by Saxguy1000

I was flying again today against a breeze when it took my heli away and about to crash. I hit the throttle and it popped right up out of it's near crash. This was with the extra weight of lights and a 2nd battery. I am thinking that you didn't get a good one.

I'm thinking I have a bad one. My 120 SR is nowhere near as easy to fly as my mSR...