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Old Jun 19, 2010, 04:53 AM
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HI ,
like EDDI sugested , a new Thread for sharering experiences .


Yesterday i found out ,assembling the bike , that the main Shaft (swingarm Drivetrain ) has way too much play, needs to be shimmed .


@ Torrence ,

can You tell us something about the rubber of Kit Tyres ?
compareable to 100, or 200 PMTs ?
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Old Jun 19, 2010, 07:35 AM
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I'm planning to use a 6.5 T brushless motor on the stock spur (87T). Which pinion is recommended.
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Old Jun 20, 2010, 04:28 AM
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Gear Ratio Table

Heres a Sheet with the possible Gear Ratio and Rollout for the Thunder Tiger SB5.

Gearing: How often does the Motor Pinion Turn when I turn the Rear Wheel one revolution (360).
Rollout: How far does the bike move if I turn the motor Pinion one revolution. (thats 1:12 Pan-Style)

These two parameters give the best comparison to other bikes.

And usually the motors have these Ratios in the manual but mainly for cars.
I found the 2WD Off Road recommendations usually work for 1:5th Bikes...
But dont give me hell if that doesnt work for you....

For example:
On the JABBER I drive a 9TDelta with 104T/24T => (11,9:1)
So in the SB5 I need approx. 93T/19T
or
Jabber: 13.5T GM, 92T/31T is the same as 87T/27T for the SB5...
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Old Jun 20, 2010, 11:55 PM
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A rough speed calculator. Not that you need it to tell you the speed, but the gearing suitable...

http://scriptasylum.com/rc_speed/_top_speed.html
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Old Jun 24, 2010, 12:09 AM
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What is the recommended silicone oil weight for:

front dampers?
rear dampers?
steering dampers?

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Old Jun 24, 2010, 01:20 AM
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front: Asso 3000wt
rear: Asso 1000wt
steering: only fill one with 20wt.
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Old Jun 24, 2010, 01:43 AM
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HI ,
like EDDI sugested , a new Thread for sharering experiences .


Yesterday i found out ,assembling the bike , that the main Shaft (swingarm Drivetrain ) has way too much play, needs to be shimmed .


@ Torrence ,

can You tell us something about the rubber of Kit Tyres ?
compareable to 100, or 200 PMTs ?

for the swingarm play... check the instructions to make sure that you have your flaged bearings installed in the correct direction (the flanges should be towards the inside of the frame plates).

yes i can tell you all something about the kit tires... they suck we only included them in the kit due to some dealer's requests. they're basically only RTR grade rubber. nowhere near as good as PMT 100 or 200. if you plan to only play with your bike on the street then the kit tires are ok. if you plan to go on a racetrack then don't waste your rims by glueing these tires on.
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Old Jun 30, 2010, 12:37 PM
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Hi Edi,

What Is the lib. of kit shock spring ?

Tnx. Matteo
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Old Jun 30, 2010, 02:32 PM
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Yesterday i found out ,assembling the bike , that the main Shaft (swingarm Drivetrain ) has way too much play, needs to be shimmed .
I had the same problem with swingarm shaft play. I used a .6mm thick shim between the frame plate and left side swingarm spacer.

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Old Jun 30, 2010, 11:22 PM
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what glue do you use for the tires, we use shoo goo for our rims and tires here. I would think the shoo goo is to heavy, so what is being used and is it reliable?.
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Old Jul 01, 2010, 02:11 AM
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Hello DLAWW,
the Teamdrivers use CA Glue. I prefer the Team Associated CA.
Works perfect with the plastc rims. Before glueing I clean everything with Brake Cleaner.
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Old Jul 01, 2010, 02:21 AM
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Hi Edi,

What Is the lib. of kit shock spring ?

Tnx. Matteo
I am not sure what you want to know exactly:
But here is a list of the Asso springs (they should be the same as in the kit)
And a list where I compared the Asso and new and old Serpent springs (I use those)

Tire Glue:
I use any slow setting CG Glue. The plastic rims are easier to glue anyway. But its important to glue the entire bead. First start by mounting the whole tire and insert on the rim. Then pull a sector of the tire up exposing the bead and bead seating on the rim. Drip in a few drops of CG. Try to coat the rear inner wall and the bottom of the seating only. Quickly reseat the bead. Do that all around, sector by sector. Do both sides. Let the glue set. Normally then only the inner of the tire is glued properly the outer facing side will only be glued here and there according to how much CG you poured into the seating. Then try to pull off the tire. Be rough and apply quite a amount of power. Be sure you have reopened the sectors where the tire hasnt been glued properly. If you rip off the whole tire you havent glued properly in the first place. The tire should only slightly come off on the outer bead seating. When you have done that just glue the outer seating sector by sector.
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Old Jul 01, 2010, 12:09 PM
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The steering dampers rub the upper swingarm as the suspension is compressed. About the only solution I can see is to grind/carve some clearance in the area of the swingarm where they contact. Anyone else have this problem?

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Old Jul 02, 2010, 12:02 AM
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The steering dampers rub the upper swingarm as the suspension is compressed. About the only solution I can see is to grind/carve some clearance in the area of the swingarm where they contact. Anyone else have this problem?

mp-
should have plenty of clearance unless you're using a different servo horn from what's included in the kit.

i left TT before i got to see all the final production pieces so who knows if they managed to screw up some of the parts. the swingarm play would be a classic example - i haven't assembled a box kit yet so i'm unable to diagnose the problem. on the pre-production prototype i have, all the clearances are good.
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Old Jul 05, 2010, 04:21 AM
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Dear mp,

check that you have mounted the dampers underneath the servo arm.
Some make the mistake and mount the dampers on top of the servoarm.
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