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Old Jun 16, 2010, 03:15 AM
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Hi Reto,

13.87 made by Pasi Väisänen 15.6.2003 in Ruotsinpyhtää, Finland fits nicely to the list.

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Old Jun 16, 2010, 08:29 AM
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@Mike: I mixed up Pasi and Joakim.

@Gert: Was Michelle flying with standard Ceres?

@Erkki: Was that flown with the little or big Racemachine?

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Old Jun 16, 2010, 12:13 PM
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Considering the advancement in F3B design the past few years, Id say Gavin Bothas design work/12.7 run way back when to be pretty amazing! No wonder so many, up here in Norcal anyway, "lusted" over the SP1. Whos got those molds now ayway?
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Old Jun 16, 2010, 12:20 PM
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While the SP1 was a good design Walt, the biggest contributor to that speed run was the fact that a thermal the size of Tuscon, and with power sufficient to lift Volkswagons off the ground was on the course at the time of his launch/float, circle, climb back to the base/and on course for the run.

Darrel Zaballos was running a 4 second clock to establish a rhythm for Gavin, but Gavin told us that it was apparent immediately he was going way too fast to get into THAT rhythm, and just rolled and pulled 3 times and Bam! 12.72 sec!

Smokin' fast run.

In big air, the SP1 was great. If the air was at all light or the conditions were calm, warm and humid, it wasn't so good.

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Old Jun 16, 2010, 01:21 PM
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It is indeed a great achievement of Gavin, you still need a heck of flying skills (anticipation of the turns, flying them smooth enough not to cut the speed) to fly a such a run even if you have stellar air.

Speaking of thermals, I have encountered much stronger lift in my short time here in the US than in various F3B-contests in Europe. So we might see more great speed runs in the US if we could get more contests running.

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Old Jun 16, 2010, 03:36 PM
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@Erkki: Was that flown with the little or big Racemachine?
That was flown with the big Racemachine.
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Old Jun 16, 2010, 06:06 PM
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Yes I had heard Gavin caught some big air. I suspect though, flying 12 second range regardless of who/what/when/where/etc, may require good air. Not really having a big interest in F3B Im not sure how the SP1 was as an F3B all arounder but I do know it was one heck of a great slope racer......even by todays standards!
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Old Jun 17, 2010, 11:44 AM
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Gavin's run was awesome, but weird. He didn't get a great launch, and the air was good, but small, and centered on course, but it wasn't as good as some of the air coming through that day. The thermal was in the perfect place, centered on course, pulling him through the turns, and back towards the center. The best part of that run was how smoothly and perfectly he flew it. He couldn't have flown it any better.

My assessment of the SP1 when compared to the models of today - the section is probably every bit as good as the new models - the thing was FAST. The attention to detail on fuse size, wing intersection - probably not as good.

Wish I had the time and energy to play with you boys... ;-)

have fun - and keep going faster

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Old Jun 17, 2010, 12:47 PM
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Hi Daryl

Thanks for the description, Eloy sounds like a thermal power house. I was told that sink can also be exceptional there

BTW, have I listed the correct speed time for 1999 South Africa?

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Old Jun 17, 2010, 01:06 PM
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Hey Reto,

Yeah, 14.07 sounds right. I'm still kicking myself for flying that one poorly. It could have been about 12.5, even with the doggy models of yesteryear... Thanks for including it.

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Old Jun 18, 2010, 12:39 AM
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I have encountered much stronger lift in my short time here in the US
Reto
if you interested in really Big Lift you should consider a visit to the PNW aka Eagle Butte.

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Old Jun 21, 2010, 10:19 PM
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Hi Thomas

I meant lift in flatland is greater than I am used to.
But I am looking forward to explore big slope lift in the US too.

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Old Sep 16, 2010, 08:17 AM
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Radical
12.68s, Pasi Väisänen, June 2008, Sweden
12.93s, Martin Weberschock, April 2008, Kirchheim, Germany,
13.34s, Fabrice Estivals, May, Melun, France
13.74s, Weberschock Martin, WC 2009, Ivanice, Czech Republic
13.76s, Peter Hubbertz, WC 2009, Ivanice, Czech


SP1
12.72s, Gavin Botha, April 13 2003, Eloy, USA


Cyril
13.08s, Dennis Duchesne, April 2010, Kirchheim, Germany

Shooter
13.1s, Andreas Böhlen, August 2008, Altikon, Switzerland
13.15s, Roland Hofman, September 2009, Anthisnes, Belgium
13.68, Michael Seyfang, September 2010, Lünen, Germany
13.81s, Thomas Schorb, August 2009, Kulmbach, Germany
13.83s, Andreas Böhlen, WC 2009, Ivanice, Czech Republic
13.88s, Roland Henninot, 2009, Ivanice, Czech Republic



Target
13.13s, Hanspeter Gölz, Arnheim (?), 2009(?)

Freestyler
13.22s, Kyle Paulson, November 7th 2009, Cal Valley, USA
13.44s, Reto Fiolka begin_of_the_skype_highlighting     end_of_the_sky pe_highlighting, April 2010, Cal Valley, USA
13.49s, Martin Herrig, April 2008, Kirchheim, Germany,
13.5s, Andreas Herrig, Mai 2010, Neuhardenberg
13.63s, Kyle Paulson, April 2010, Cal Valley, USA
13.74s, Martin Herrig, September 2009, Anthisnes, Belgium
13.86s, Andreas Herrig, April 2010, Salzburg, Austria

Ceres
13.25s, Craig Goodrum, September 2010, SA NATS, South Africa

Tool2010
13.5s Andreas Kunz, September, Lünen, Germany

Shocker
13.68s, Martin Herrig September 2004, Lünen, Germany
13.91s, Andreas Herrig, Mai 2003, Neuhardenberg, German

Hurricane V
13.7s, Thomas Dylla, Hurricane V, September 2010, Lünen, Germany


Racemachine
13.87s, Pasi Väisänen, June 2003, Ruotsinpyhtää, Finland

Fossa (Baudis model)
13.89s, Jiri Baudis, April 2010, Kirchheim, Germany

Ceres Lift
13.93s, Andreas Böhlen, September 2009, Anthisnes, Belgium

Calypso Cobra
14.04s, Daryl Perkins, WC 1999, South Africa

Ceres
14.20s, Michelle Goodrum, WC 2009, Ivanice, Czech Republic

Masterpiece
14.24s, Espen Torp, WC 1997, Turkey

Number of sub 14 times sorted by plane:
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Old Sep 16, 2010, 08:19 AM
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Number of sub 14 times in competition sorted by plane:

Freestyler 7
Shooter 6
Radical 5
Shocker 2
SP1 1
Cyril 1
Target 1
Ceres 1
Tool2010 1
Hurricane V 1
Racemachine 1
Fossa 1
Ceres Lift 1
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Old Sep 16, 2010, 04:23 PM
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Hello Reto

Roland Henninot's flight in Ivanice was with Shooter. Then he used Shooter during WC except after midair (just during the repair of Shooter)

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