|Jun 12, 2010, 10:56 PM|
GPS-EuroCup / GPS triangle racing
There appears to be some excitement generated by folks giving this a try at the 2010 JR Aero Tow so it seemed reasonable to restart this thread. Here is the official website:
And where you can find out more about the gadgets that enable it:
If you like scale sailplanes and you like the idea of racing, this is it. If you like scale sailplanes but don't like competition, you can use this system to improve your flying skills and enjoy your scale ship even more.
A couple of questions to kick off the discussion:
1) Is there any interest in having these kinds of events in the rest of the world, outside of Europe?
2) What is your or your club's monetary pain threshold for participating? In other words, how much would you be willing to spend to play?
3) Would you be interested in posting your flights to a website that other participants could see?
4) Do you like the idea of flying with a spotter/tactician and having him guide you around the course or would you rather participate solo?
5) Should all planes of all sizes fly together or should they be grouped or handicapped by performance and/or size?
Let's get this going!
|Jun 12, 2010, 11:00 PM|
Hands-on experience and thoughts from the 2010 JR Aero Tow
Reposted from the "JR Aerotow 2010 Pictures" thread to keep it in a findable place:
|Jun 13, 2010, 01:57 PM|
I think GPS racing is a natural development for scale sailplanes. Whenever kindred minds congregate, competition develops and this looks like the best case scenario to accomodate that at this point. Those that are "game" competitive will embrace it, those that are "wallet" competitive will be able to participate safely, and those who are "aesthetically" competitive may be enticed to uncover a new avenue of satisfaction.
One of the things that is satisfying about scale sailplanes and aerotowing for me is the relaxed atmosphere and commraderie. I enjoy seeing old friends and being in an atmosphere where pressure is limited and you are surrounded by beautiful planes. That is relaxing for me and I always enjoy those aspects. At the base level it appears racing might be nested into most any event without sacrificing those qualities but obviously some events could be organized completely around racing.
There was a push in the late 90's and early 00's to develop sailplane aerobatics in the US. It died on the vine. Not sure why but one could speculate that the level of piloting skill and special planes required, the emphasis placed on competition at events that were small in attendance and few and far between took their toll. Lets face it, once you get over the initial hump of flying a large scale sailplane and aerotowing it doesn't take a lot of practice or skill development to do what is required for a fulfilling day of flying and for those that enjoy the beauty of scale sailplanes, that is a draw. Maintain your equipment and you can fly just 2-3 times a year and do what needs to be done. You don't have to practice every weekend. Every flight you can walk away from is a success.
Having said this, I think GPS racing is something that might fit the bill for ageing, fairweather pilots like me. You don't have to practice maneuvers or spot landings every weekend or have the latest wiz-bang airplane devoted to the task. You can be as competitve as your ability to read air, invest in the required equipment, and time devoted to practice will allow. But you still can run the course without looking too incompetent or risking your pride and joy.
It looks like there is growing interest in this event and time will tell if it finds a home in our field of common interest. I for one will be watching and waiting for the price of entry to drop to my level of competency.
|Jun 14, 2010, 11:36 AM|
In my opinion, you hit the nail on the head. This style of "racing" seems like a nice, low-key way for a bunch of guys to get together and show off their scale planes. As you said, you don't need to go out and devote hours and hours of practice time to shooting spot landings or shaving a second off of a speed run. I think that will be attractive for folks that have done/tried the TD/F3X/whatever competitions and now want a more relaxed (low-stress), fun and asthetically engaging activity.
I really like the fact that there is minimal setup. You don't need 8-10 guys to put together an event and you get to do plenty of flying in the 30 minutes rounds.
Also from what I've read and seen in photos of the European GPS Cup events, it looks like laid back good excuse for folks to get together and show off their planes. Their "rule book" makes me think it's intended to promote comraderie and not intense competition.
Finally, I think making it cheaper is going to be important,
|Sep 13, 2010, 07:58 PM|
Bringing this back to life
I've been reading some of the contest reports from this year's GPS Euro Cup and thought others might enjoy them as well:
I know that several folks, including myself, are working on making this style of flying affordable for the average scale guy (whatever that is) and am hoping that we can get some momentum here in the US, Australia, Canada, South Africa and other countries.
I just reread the Euro Cup rules and they have opened it up participants outside of Europe so I think it's time to step up and show the originators of our sport how it's done!
I've attached a sample report from earlier this year. It's fun reading and sounds like a blast. Here are some photos to go along with the contest report:
The 1:3 304 Shark and Antares appear to be the ship to have for the "big hitters" but apparently some scratch built ships are also doing well.
|Sep 19, 2010, 04:46 PM|
2011 GPS World Cup
Yesterday at the flying field, Rick Shelby mentioned a World Championships in Tortosa, Spain next year so I did a little looking around and found this on the TUN web site:
As part of the GPS Eurocup are increasingly participating pilots and organized competitions. For this reason, in 2011 flew the first time a World Cup! There are from Europe, Canada and Australia expected to pilot! It will be flown three classes: 1:3 Scale, KTW and an open class. Here is the Bulletin No. 1 in German ...
Also, see attached bulletin. Maybe someone would be so kind as to translate it?
Here's what Herr Google thinks it says:
Bulletin No. 1
17th 5th 2010
Date: Saturday 3rd 9th 2011 10th to Saturday 9th 2011
Location: RC airfield of the Club de l `Ebre in Tortosa (Spain)
GPS coordinates: 40 ° 45'24 "N 0 ° 26'10" E
Schedule: Arrival from 31 Wednesday 8th 2011, free flight possible!
Thursday / Friday 1 / 2 9th 2011 free flight possible
Saturday 3 9th 2011 model control, registered mail, free flying
Sunday 4 9th 2011 Test Competition: 2 rounds in each class
Monday 5 9th 2011 9 to Friday 9th 2011 daily from 10:00 clock
18:00 clock ever flown two rounds per category.
Before and after the official rounds free flying!
Saturday 10 9th 2011 Reserventag, free flying.
Saturday 10 9th 2011, evening the square Rangverlesen
Sunday 11 9th 2011 Check
Categories: Scale 1:3
Regulations: All regulations are available on-www.gps eurocup.ch
Infrastructure: 300m x 15m runway hard surface
20m x 300m grass runway
Large hangar for towing and sailing models
Small hangar for catering / food
Power supply for battery chargers and Camping
Space for campers, caravan and tent
WC, shower in the square
Food for catering company every day in the square
Organisation: towing Walter Kalberer / Silvio Meier
Theres communication Mejstrik
Accounting Office Adrian Sit / Peter Truffer
Treasurer Victor Nell
Infrastructure Margot & Willi Reist, Pedro
OK Chef Ueli Nyffenegger
Cost: (provisional data for 10 days / person!)
Airport use (Hangar, runway, etc.) EUR 80 -
40th entry fee money 1:3 class towing including EUR 50 - (EUR - for towing pilots)
Entry fee KTW Class EUR 10 -
Open class entry fee with tow EUR 50 - (EUR 40 - for towing pilots)
Open class entry fee of EUR 10 E-drive -
Use toilet, shower EUR 30 -
Pitch Caravan / RV 220 including EUR 50 -
Pitch tent EUR 10 -
Only port 220 EUR 20 -
Lunch buffet with salad / meat / water / wine EUR 12 - / day
Free flying: chips are sold EUR 1 - / Towing
Participation: attend any modeller with proof of insurance can not! No
Registration: Registration deadline Thursday 30th June 2011
In Bulletin No. 2, a detailed registration form will be available.
Questions, suggestions etc. please firstname.lastname@example.org Ueli Nyffenegger
|Sep 20, 2010, 03:59 PM|
BTW, I checked on airfare from SFO to Barcelona and it's only around $900 US r/t on Swiss Air. That part of Spain is gorgeous!
|Sep 28, 2010, 11:11 PM|
United States, CA, Montague
Joined Jan 2004
I have finally put together a hardware system that works with the existing software. It is still a bit clunky so I need to refine it and also try a couple of other ideas. At least I have something that I can use for demonstration purposes now. The hardware I have now costs about $500 compared to the $1500 needed for the original system. It may eventually get a little cheaper, but not much. I still need to do flight testing with the whole system to make sure everything works together, but from the testing I have done so far I am confident it will work. Hopefully I will have some good news to share in a month or two.
|Sep 29, 2010, 10:46 AM|
Will you be bringing it to Visalia in a few weeks so we can see it in action? I would also like to see how the course is set up.
|Sep 29, 2010, 12:46 PM|
United States, CA, Montague
Joined Jan 2004
|Sep 29, 2010, 08:46 PM|
I like this type of racing. To me, crashing a glider into the ground, nose first, and calling it skill, is an oxymoron. One can take the hints of what is to be accomplished, as well as those things that need to be safety items, from the full size glider rules. Good loggers and telemetry will make it work.
|Sep 29, 2010, 08:48 PM|
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