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Old Sep 10, 2010, 08:29 AM
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Another vote for you. Good luck!
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Old Sep 10, 2010, 11:41 AM
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You got my vote Andy..but that #5 finalist is gonna be a tough one to beat....dragging in a little kid....the nerve....

Good luck Andy.

Mark
I was going to mention that. Really artistic image with the kid and him silhouetted against the sun. Going to be REALLY hard to beat that!
I threw my vote your way anyway.

(You kids get off my lawn!)
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Old Sep 10, 2010, 07:02 PM
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OMFG! 5FTH FINALIST GAVE HIS SON A ****** TAYLOR CRAFT! I barely get a champ!! :O
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Old Sep 11, 2010, 07:57 PM
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Champ with key cam on board

All,

Here is my champ with a keycam on board and
a 250 lipo flying BNF with a Spektrum Dx5e

Enjoy
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Brendang

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HobbyZone Champ keycam (10 min 36 sec)
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Old Sep 22, 2010, 11:46 AM
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Well, being retired and having 5 acres in rural Oregon I got this wild idea that flying an RC electric plane around the property would be a pretty cool hobby. Through a series of misunderstandings (apparently mine) at my LHS I somehow got the impression that the Hobbyzone Super Cub was the easiest RC to learn on so I bought one. After cratering this plane 4 times and rebuilding the damage with a total flight time of maybe 90 seconds, I fixed everthing and let it sit out in the garage. After a series of totally unrelated questions on this forum, someone recommended I try the HBZ Champ. Never even knew it existed. Did a little research, read all the rave reviews , watched some YouTube videos and came to the conclussion THIS was the plane that my LHS guy was probably refering to when we were discussing easy trainers for beginners. I must have got confused. Anyway, I bought one the other day and what a blast. I can actually fly this thing! I liked it so much and my son (20yrs) begged me to fly it. I said no way...but I got a better idea. I went back and bought him one. He's way better than I am ....but we are both having a blast. My neighbor came over and watched.....I think he's going down to buy one today (if they have anymore).
Another highly recommended RC for someone interested in the hobby but is coordination/reflex challenged.
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Old Sep 22, 2010, 11:57 AM
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Well, being retired and having 5 acres in rural Oregon I got this wild idea that flying an RC electric plane around the property would be a pretty cool hobby. Through a series of misunderstandings (apparently mine) at my LHS I somehow got the impression that the Hobbyzone Super Cub was the easiest RC to learn on so I bought one. After cratering this plane 4 times and rebuilding the damage with a total flight time of maybe 90 seconds, I fixed everthing and let it sit out in the garage. After a series of totally unrelated questions on this forum, someone recommended I try the HBZ Champ. Never even knew it existed. Did a little research, read all the rave reviews , watched some YouTube videos and came to the conclussion THIS was the plane that my LHS guy was probably refering to when we were discussing easy trainers for beginners. I must have got confused. Anyway, I bought one the other day and what a blast. I can actually fly this thing! I liked it so much and my son (20yrs) begged me to fly it. I said no way...but I got a better idea. I went back and bought him one. He's way better than I am ....but we are both having a blast. My neighbor came over and watched.....I think he's going down to buy one today (if they have anymore).
Another highly recommended RC for someone interested in the hobby but is coordination/reflex challenged.
Way to go!

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Old Sep 22, 2010, 12:01 PM
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Yep...Champs rule!

Get good with the Champ and then go back to the Super Cub. I like them both.

Andy
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Old Sep 22, 2010, 12:13 PM
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Yep...Champs rule!

Get good with the Champ and then go back to the Super Cub. I like them both.

Andy
Andy makes an excellent point. Once you are feeling comfortable with the Champ, go back and give that Super Cub (SC) a go. The SC is an excellent trainer and I am sorry to hear you had so much trouble with it. When you are ready to approach your SC again, make sure all flying surfaces are level, perform a range check, and do a motor run-up (to check thrust and make sure prop is not on backwards) - just to make sure. I think you will find, when you are ready, that the SC is a dream to fly. I suggest you turn off the A.C.T. functionality as you will not need it with the successful Champ flights under your belt. To tell you the truth, I know the intent was a good one, but I don't buy into that A.C.T system as of any value to anyone, regardless of experience.

Keep up the great work and have a ball!

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Old Sep 22, 2010, 01:01 PM
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Yep...Champs rule!

Get good with the Champ and then go back to the Super Cub. I like them both.

Andy
Yeah, that's the plan. I had already been warned about the ACT thing. I do wish the Super Cub had a mild and wild setting like the Champ. I think part of my problem with the Super Cub was over reaction in the controls while being in a constant state of panic. I like the self correcting flight function in the Champ. Useds it a few times already.
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Old Sep 22, 2010, 01:06 PM
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Use your champ to imrove your skills much like a sim. Practice putting the plane where you want it, not just reacting to the plane or letting it fly you. Next time you break out the cub you will be surprised how much easier it seems to fly.

Enjoy
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Old Sep 22, 2010, 04:43 PM
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Tough little champ

I've had 3 flying sessions. My first exhibited all, well most, of the errors of a newbie. After I got it out of that tree, my 2nd session was much more fun. Until I got cocky, or my perception was off. After I got it out of that tree and did some minor repair work, I got in another lunch-time session that was fun as well. So it's flying without front landing gear (tree one) and packing tape for part of the right elevator (2nd tree). But it's still flying, and given time, patience, some mentoring, and about $13 or so in parts, it will be like new again and I can fly it into another tree ;-)

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Old Sep 22, 2010, 04:47 PM
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I've had 3 flying sessions. My first exhibited all, well most, of the errors of a newbie. After I got it out of that tree, my 2nd session was much more fun. Until I got cocky, or my perception was off. After I got it out of that tree and did some minor repair work, I got in another lunch-time session that was fun as well. So it's flying without front landing gear (tree one) and packing tape for part of the right elevator (2nd tree). But it's still flying, and given time, patience, some mentoring, and about $13 or so in parts, it will be like new again and I can fly it into another tree ;-)

Dun worry 'bout it, Lucy. Some planes come from the factory with tree magnets.

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Old Sep 25, 2010, 06:07 PM
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What a great day up early to take my girls to a local tournament. Put the Champ in the car and flew in total windlessness. I can't begin to tell you the fun of greased on landings during touch and goes. I always liked landings more than any other maneuver even when flying full size. My instructor had to kick me to do cross country. During my check ride my guy pulled off the throtle and said "engine out... I want a full stall full - flap landing please". It was a seamless transition from air to ground. No bump. No noise. Ahh the bliss. Today bought back those feelings. Heavy sigh.
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Old Sep 27, 2010, 09:14 PM
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Well, being retired and having 5 acres in rural Oregon I got this wild idea that flying an RC electric plane around the property would be a pretty cool hobby. Through a series of misunderstandings (apparently mine) at my LHS I somehow got the impression that the Hobbyzone Super Cub was the easiest RC to learn on so I bought one. After cratering this plane 4 times and rebuilding the damage with a total flight time of maybe 90 seconds, I fixed everthing and let it sit out in the garage. After a series of totally unrelated questions on this forum, someone recommended I try the HBZ Champ. Never even knew it existed. Did a little research, read all the rave reviews , watched some YouTube videos and came to the conclussion THIS was the plane that my LHS guy was probably refering to when we were discussing easy trainers for beginners. I must have got confused. Anyway, I bought one the other day and what a blast. I can actually fly this thing! I liked it so much and my son (20yrs) begged me to fly it. I said no way...but I got a better idea. I went back and bought him one. He's way better than I am ....but we are both having a blast. My neighbor came over and watched.....I think he's going down to buy one today (if they have anymore).
Another highly recommended RC for someone interested in the hobby but is coordination/reflex challenged.
Except for the being retired part my experience mirrors yours exactly. I too, bought a SC and found it a handful as a trainer...too fast and too much mass...every goof up ended with a repair session. I would call it a good trainer ONLY IF you're working with an instructor and tethered to his radio.

So I temporarily retired the SC and concentrated my efforts on the Champ. I flew it slow and strove for scale maneuvers. Steve A Reno makes a good point; use your Champ as a sim by practicing putting the plane where you want it and not just reacting to the plane or letting it fly you. To which I would add always fly with a plan in mind to work on/improve some particular aspect. Fly touch and goes over and over; fly perfect square patterns both left and right hand; fly perfect horizontal figure eights; fly around objects, fly as low and level to the ground as possible and then try turns right and left as low as possible. Thermal it. As your confidence builds, try on some windy weather days so you have to react to movement you didn't command.

With its slooooow flight and ability to bounce off light poles and such and just keep flying, IMHO the Champ RTF is THE perfect by-your-self trainer. I have since brought the SC back out and have had no more issues like those in the beginning. I need to install some tundra tires as right now I'm practicing full stall, three point landings at my local grass strip(not easy ) and am building a HZ P-40 to use as my first low wing aileron ship. With the confidence of the Champ under my belt, I anticipate no problems with this next step.

One last thing...there are some posts around here concerning the use of higher end radios with the Champ. I purchased a DX6i to fly the P-40 with and bound it to the Champ this past weekend. After a flight session in "hover" speed wind, I have to say that I agree with the general consensus that with a better radio, the Champ flies even better.

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Old Sep 27, 2010, 11:23 PM
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Except for the being retired part my experience mirrors yours exactly. I too, bought a SC and found it a handful as a trainer...too fast and too much mass...every goof up ended with a repair session. I would call it a good trainer ONLY IF you're working with an instructor and tethered to his radio.

So I temporarily retired the SC and concentrated my efforts on the Champ. I flew it slow and strove for scale maneuvers. Steve A Reno makes a good point; use your Champ as a sim by practicing putting the plane where you want it and not just reacting to the plane or letting it fly you. To which I would add always fly with a plan in mind to work on/improve some particular aspect. Fly touch and goes over and over; fly perfect square patterns both left and right hand; fly perfect horizontal figure eights; fly around objects, fly as low and level to the ground as possible and then try turns right and left as low as possible. Thermal it. As your confidence builds, try on some windy weather days so you have to react to movement you didn't command.
LaneVT
Yes, very good suggestions. I am spending a lot of time with the Champ. As tempted as I am to try the Super Cub again, I've decided to fly the Champ until everything becomes fairly automatic in unexpected situations. When I no longer over react or turn the wrong way then I'll try the SC again.

On the subject of the Champ's transmitter, the only problem I've had is range. My son's Champ, my neighbor's Champ (who also bought one after seeing us fly ours) and mine have at some point lost signal and had fly aways. Fortunately, we've all found them again. Until I can afford (or atleast justify the cost) of a better transmitter we've all decided the best course of action for now is keep them close AND take a felt tip pen and write our phone numbers on the wings.

Thanks for the advice. I'll use your suggestions, fer sure.

I just got the keychain camera Bob Skinner is selling. I ended up flying my Champ away on the second attempt.
Didn't really have it balanced well and it got too high and far and flew away. Video quality is pretty good but the video is still up and down too much until I can adjust better to the balance issue. Fun though...

HBZ Champ flyaway (1 min 35 sec)
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