|May 21, 2010, 10:15 AM|
Refer to the first post for current airplane class and power system set ups to best match the formation squadron:
Plane: FMS P-51D Mustang. There are several permutations with retracts, servos, etc. Base model is here: http://www.nitroplanes.com/93a51-p51-silver-kit.html
Retractable landing gear either installed in the kit or these: http://www.hobbypartz.com/77p-91-ere...-onepiece.html
Motor: Monster Power 32 http://www.hobbypartz.com/monsterpow...ess-motor.html
ESC: 60A +
Prop: APC 14x12E
Battery: 3s 4500 (many will use two 2200-3000 combat packs in parallel)
Pilot and Plane Roster
Todd -- FMS Mustang Red/Custom
Scott -- FMS Mustang Red Shangri-La
Ryan -- FMS Mustang
Jon L -- FMS Mustang Yellow
Jeff -- FMS Mustang Yellow & FMS P-40
Darren -- FMS Mustang Yellow/Black Custom & FMS Spitfire
Jim -- FMS Mustang Red
Dan -- H9 Spitfire
Cool links for additions
Wing tip skids: http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...idProduct=8702
Wing stiffening idea: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showp...postcount=9439
Todd's Construction Videos:
|May 21, 2010, 10:52 AM|
My SWEET flyin P-40 fits the bill very nicely. Only I do 6S 4000 & a 15x10 prop. Please allow a variance on this.... I am also no where near 3000 watts on my motor. On watts, you may want to make this 1500 as that is AMPLE even for this size. 200 Watts/pound is still rip the wings off type power. 3000 watts on a 6 or 7 pound plane is Saturn Rocket Booster type performance.
|May 21, 2010, 11:14 AM|
Looks like mine will be the CMP Spitfire again. I can't think of anything else I'd rather build for this. I can't find anything in the 60" range that really excites me.
Are you thinking just our local fun-fly stuff, or are you thinking that we work out a specific formation ROUTINE, something we can perform at fly-ins?
If the latter, do we want to schedule a specific fly-in that we want to "perform" at, so we can start getting ready?
Yeah, 3000W seemed a little astronomical. My huge Pitts is barely over that.
|May 21, 2010, 11:38 AM|
3000W was a power rating on the motors -- which now that I look was totally wrong... so no worries., not the actual power being used. I will edit to remove the confusion
1500W is plenty. I fly my P-51B on a bit less and it's fine.
Certainly right now it's "Come as you are" because many of us will be flying .60 sized birds to start -- but for replacement and newbies joining it, let's standardize on the .40-.50 sized stuff and the equipment listed.
Once we get planes in the air, I think we should start working on a series of simple maneuvers. To start, just what we do now... fly a formation circle then do a basic trick on the near side (loop, roll, Cuban 8, hammer head, etc).
When we get better we can try to string together maneuvers.
Jon, which motor do you have in yours?
|May 21, 2010, 12:05 PM|
I'll mention this now because I think it is something we can start doing to coordinate moves.
One very effective way to coordinate flying is with counting. I'd suggest a 1 second count and breaking maneuvers into total time -- that way it's possible to practice even alone. (We may need to go to quicker counts later).
For example, say we standardize on an 8-count loop. On count 2 your plane should be in the straight up vertical. On count 4, inverted at the top, count 6 downward vertical, count 8 back to level.
This method really will help with longer more complex moves like Cuban-8's. If I know where my airplane should be relative to the count, I know if I am behind or ahead of the group in real time and can focus on precision flying my plane and less on trying to figure out which plane to match and reacting.
We can eyeball entering the stunts in formation and once that is done, working off timing will keep them the same. Doing corrections on the fly with lots of airplanes can be tricky.
Standardizing on a count will help each pilot get a timing with his airplane and keep the maneuvers looking much the same.
|May 21, 2010, 12:52 PM|
We'll still need to "follow" a lead plane because there are directional issues too. But if we practice consistently timed maneuvers, it does really help with reactions (instead of having to guess how big the leader will do the loop).
And, using a counting method, it's possible to practice solo.
|May 21, 2010, 05:49 PM|
One item I do think we should add for Formation flying
With Combat flying we all kind of know the score -- the point IS violence. I think we do need to ensure we have a gentleman's agreement on Formation Flying up front because there are likely to be accidents along the way. Something simple like this:
By Taking Off in a UFO Formation Flying event or practice I understand:
1) There is a real risk of collision and crashing in formation flying. I assume responsibility for my own airplane in the event of a crash. I accept this risk even if the accident is caused by another pilot.
2)There is a real risk of personal injury with many planes flying in close formation near several pilots. I accept this risk and hold harmless all my fellow pilots for any injuries I may sustain during my participation.
I really think those two items we need to have understood by everyone who wants to participate. We are going to have collisions doing this. If you don't want to be out a lot of money, fly a cheap plane
And we do need to up the safety awareness flying that many big planes in close quarters especially since the best place to do joint stunts is in fairly close proximity to the pilots.
Anything else you guys think we should make known prior to engagement?
|May 21, 2010, 06:00 PM|
|May 21, 2010, 06:20 PM|
|May 21, 2010, 11:18 PM|
Definitely add my Mustang in there!
Love the thread
I have the power plant all here now.
Monster 160 motor
Castle 85A HV ESC
2P 5S 5000mAh 20C Blue Lipos
Cool video of this Mustang flying in formation with an ESM Ki84
|May 22, 2010, 02:26 AM|
Oooo, great video Diego. Except there weren't many P51's ever fighting against Zeroes or Franks... which is why it's gonna be so cool to have that same P51 flying with an Me109. I can't wait!
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