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Old Feb 03, 2013, 08:11 PM
If it flies - it's good
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As an experiment, I put one of these low cost 3-axis stabilisers in my Mini Switft, hoping to make it more stable in windy conditions.
http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...rch=9171000102
It sort of worked. On the first flight I had the yaw gain set too high and it had a permanent tail waggle as it it oscillated in yaw. I reduced the gain and it was better, but I found a few other things that weren't great. Firstly it adds weight (almost 10%) in a very light aircraft, plus mounting it under the canopy caused a large CG shift forward requiring full up elevator trim. For some reason the already slow roll rate seemed to have reduced too. So in summary it works and in a larger aircraft where the added weight might be less of an issue it would be OK. But I ended up removing it from the Mini-Swift.
I see that there is now a version 2 of this unit. The V2 supports delta wings and v-tails.
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Old Feb 03, 2013, 09:39 PM
Diverted by planks
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I've heard several reports that using the HK item reduced throws substantially with no easy fix. I have one of those in my parts bin, but just haven't had a plane I felt could make use of it lately, that made me want to take it out of the package, install it, and play around with it..
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Old Feb 03, 2013, 10:50 PM
Can we lift the embargo?
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Ive been eyeballing that stabilizer, seems cheap enough and light enough, but that doesnt make it work. Thanks 4 the info. I alwys flew in the wind because it always seems to be windy ad the mswift does pretty well in the wind, I always thought.
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Old Feb 03, 2013, 11:29 PM
Chef Pilot: Planes vs Butter
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Mini Swift, V2

Did my mods on my new MS.
Used a lot of good ideas here on the thread and then some of my own.
1) used hinge tape on canopy to lock it down. No more rubberbands.
2) cut slot under wing for 500mah 2s bat
3) carved relief out of nose to fit AX1806 2500kv motor
4) kept original firewall but bolstered it with gorilla glue from behind and then a wooden cross piece that spans the width of the firewall for which the screw from the motor mount can bite into. Seems pretty strong but angled down quite a bit and hardly at all to the right. Hoping I won't have any weird flight characteristic because of this.
5) CofG is smack dab on the aileron tubes.
6) 5.5x4.5 Masterairscrew prop with prop collet.

I have space under the canopy for the gyro thingy which weighs in at all of 5 grams.
The Orange Rx is fixed inside so I will try mounting it on that.
Some Pics:

I will let you know how it goes.
maybe on Tuesday.
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Old Feb 04, 2013, 02:36 PM
ICrashRCs
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Nice work, that should make a great plane.
I'm hoping you fly it a bit first without the gyro and add it later.
Then we can hear your thoughts on the difference it makes.
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Old Feb 04, 2013, 02:54 PM
Chef Pilot: Planes vs Butter
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Nice work, that should make a great plane.
I'm hoping you fly it a bit first without the gyro and add it later.
Then we can hear your thoughts on the difference it makes.
Thanks!
That's the plan...
I flew the hell out of my first one with no gyro but I'm curious how this 2 axis thing will do.
It worked pretty well in the F86 but that was an EDF. I don't know if that should make any difference.
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Old Feb 04, 2013, 05:44 PM
If it flies - it's good
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For canopy latches on my crash kit I used a small magnet I bought on ebay. 20 in a package for just over $3 shipped.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/20-x-Strong-...item19d53b410e
I only used a magnet on one side and the other side was a piece of metal (just mild steel I guess) I cut from an electronic chassis someone threw out out in the trash. I cut it up with a hacksaw. Glued the pieces to the canopy and aircraft with hot melt glue. I figured that a magnet on both sides would require too much force to break apart. The aircraft is only foam after all. No need for rubber bands or tape.
This might all be moot since the newer kits don't come with the crash kit.
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Old Feb 05, 2013, 03:43 PM
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Welcome back Mini Swift!

Maiden flights today. 3 perfect zippy flights.
Just like old times.
No need for gyros.
She's fast, snappy and responsive.
I may have to strengthen the firewall, but that will be checked later.
Cheers,
Patrick
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Old Feb 06, 2013, 11:13 AM
Can we lift the embargo?
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For me this thing takes the wind pretty well. I use a 3s system and certainly some speed helps cut through it. I can't say I have used a gyro on one or any plane for that matter but if I were i would start with another plane. JMHO and it's probably worth the paper it's printed on.
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Old Feb 06, 2013, 06:38 PM
Note to self, put on pants.
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It was time for a refinish of my swifty
Sanded lightly, quick spray of plastic adhesion primer, painted with acrylic poster paint, 2 light coats of WBPU satin to seal.
Running 1806 2500kv with HK 12a esc on 3s 460mah or 2s 800mah. 4.75x4.75 prop.
AUW is 210grams with 3s and lipo alarm.
Battery sits right on cg so i can change to a 2s 460mah if i want.
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Old Feb 07, 2013, 10:53 AM
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Nice Looking paint Job. Running this thing on 3s is the way to go imho!!
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Old Feb 08, 2013, 09:06 AM
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Has anyone converted their's to a pusher setup? I'm looking at turning my crash kit into a micro FPV rig
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Old Feb 08, 2013, 10:32 AM
Can we lift the embargo?
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Has anyone converted their's to a pusher setup? I'm looking at turning my crash kit into a micro FPV rig
Never heard of anyone doing that but maybe it's been done. Wouldn't think the airframe is condusive to it but I am not that skilled with mods like that.
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Old Feb 08, 2013, 11:37 AM
Reap the wild wind
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I know the Multiplex fox has been powered by a pusher configuration both on a power pod and with a tail mounted motor
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showp...8&postcount=72
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showp...postcount=2254 and even an edf
Andy
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Old Feb 08, 2013, 12:42 PM
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I think the fox is a lot like the kinetic 800
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