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Old May 16, 2010, 01:27 PM
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park flyers too big?

i've noticed beginner's flying large planes outside the park boundaries. the same planes scaled down by 3/4 or 2/3 might easily fly smaller flight patterns given the same wing loading. my current park is next to an elementary school and i see beginners not only flyer over our parked cars, but over the school as well. why might the manufacturers build such big park flyers? perhaps its hard to charge $200 plus dollars for a 3 foot wing span plane.

to test my theory, i let a few beginners fly my 2 foot wing span planes. their flight pattern was reduced tremendously, and they noted a more controlled flight orientation. i suspect they felt the plane wasn't always getting to far away.

anyways, next time your in the hobby store check out the sizes of beginner planes and correlate the flight pattern size of those same planes in flight at your local park. am i mistaken in my observations?
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Old May 16, 2010, 11:34 PM
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I can fly my four foot wingspan planes in a pretty small area if the winds are light.

A lot of it has to do with how far out you fly and how diligent you are with keeping it close to you.
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Old May 17, 2010, 08:47 AM
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Large planes are easier to see and in many cases easier to fly. The size of the plane doesn't relate to the size of the pilot's judgment, though.

If some manufacturers are maing a mistake, maybe it's their emphasis on "teach yourself to fly." Beginners, unless they are unusually careful and diligent, are probably not aware of the safety and etiquette that AMA/flying club members practice. Granted, those practices are not followed perfectly by all memberts, but I think the clubs do a pretty good job.

I started by trying to teach myself to fly, but soon realized that joining a club would be a better choice. Not only did I find help in learning to fly, building and repairing my planes as well as safety practices, but I made some wonderful friends.

Glad that you are helping the beginners and encouraging them to learn the right things.
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Old May 17, 2010, 09:35 AM
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i went by the lhs myself. there were plenty small park fliers available. not sure where i got to thinking there were only big ones.
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Old May 17, 2010, 09:44 AM
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What comes to mnd for me is the EFLite Apprentice...great plane and great trainer but not something I would want a beginner learning on by themselves.
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Old May 17, 2010, 11:07 AM
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ParkFlyers should weight less than 2lbs and be made of foam. So, sure enough, a 6ft wingspan glider (with motor and folding propeller) would fall in this category.

Now, technically, as long as the propeller is not spinning WOT, 2lbs of foam should do minimal damage to cars, nearby houses, etc. But again, when you fly in a park, the plane should stay in the park! If you cannot keep it in the park, either it's too small, or you need a lot more simulator! So overall, the only thing you should hit is humans, but again, parkflyer regulation say: do not fly in the park if there's humans in it.

So size does not really matter for a parkflyer. If you have to fly over houses, your park is too small, and you should move to another one or use a smaller and slower bird.

Sure enough, there will always be LHS that will sell anything to anybody without telling them what to do with them. And there will always be buyers who don't care about regulations, and fly anything, anywhere... Just hope they have good liability insurance!
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Old May 17, 2010, 01:46 PM
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Has there been a large amount of serious damage being done by park flyers all of a sudden? Reason I ask is because I think sometimes we look to make problems rather than there actually being a problem. Unless I live in Utopia, I have never heard of there being any issues as such. I fly my gassers at the flying field and my electrics in the park. Granted, my friends and I fly speed 400 size and smaller so the park is a great venue and we don't have to travel at all. I must say, we would have to deliberately try real, real hard to do any serious damage to anything or anyone.
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