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Old May 08, 2010, 10:58 AM
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Is it possible to cheat on blood pressure test?

Sorry for a non-political post, but my full-size medical is at stake and I could use some help..

The problem is my blood pressure which seems to hover at about 170/85. With concious psyching I can get it down to 165/80 but the limit is 160/95. Stupid of me to leave it unchecked until the last minute, but it never has given any symptoms and it never occured to me that it could be an issue. I know how to properly deal with it, but have only two weeks and need to do it without traces in my medical records.

So, any suggestions for a quick and dirty, possibly short-time fix? Is there any non-prescription medication? Heavy exercice until a day or two before test? Anything..?
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Old May 08, 2010, 11:01 AM
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Log off from LTUP for a couple of weeks?

J/k
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Old May 08, 2010, 11:13 AM
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I can't say for sure about Finland, but being on a high-blood pressure medication in America is no problem at all.
What's important is that you get it to allowable values, and it shouldn't matter if you take medications to do that or not.

On the other hand, if you hang around LTUP too long, you will undoubtedly have to start taking some kind of prescription psychotropic drug to calm you down, and being on a mind altering drug for any reason raises all sorts of red flags during your medical.

Seriously, you need to work with your general practitioner to get your blood pressure down. Once you do that with prescription drugs, I doubt if you'll have any issues for your aviation medical.
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Old May 08, 2010, 11:18 AM
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Drink a six pack of beer before the physical and it might help. Of course then you would get written up for being an alcoholic.

Blowing one's kidneys, heart, and/or brains is not a good idea. Neither are stokes.

Get it fixed.
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Old May 08, 2010, 11:26 AM
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Try a couple of regular aspirin.
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Old May 08, 2010, 12:05 PM
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Try doing some yoga breathing one minute before and during the test. Take deep breaths (count to four, six or eight if you can), taking equally as long for inhalation and exhalation, while trying not to think of anything except maybe the sound of wind or waves (or visualizing your red or orange sailplane or Old Timer against a blue sky with puffy clouds).
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Old May 08, 2010, 12:13 PM
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Sorry for a non-political post, but my full-size medical is at stake and I could use some help..

The problem is my blood pressure which seems to hover at about 170/85. With concious psyching I can get it down to 165/80 but the limit is 160/95. Stupid of me to leave it unchecked until the last minute, but it never has given any symptoms and it never occured to me that it could be an issue. I know how to properly deal with it, but have only two weeks and need to do it without traces in my medical records.

So, any suggestions for a quick and dirty, possibly short-time fix? Is there any non-prescription medication? Heavy exercice until a day or two before test? Anything..?
My suggestion is the one you do not desire.

Get medical attention for your medical problem. Hiding it for other purposes is a very short-term goal; one that could shorten your lifespan.


Other than that, relaxation techniques may provide some short-term benefits. "Happy Place," deep breathing....
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Old May 08, 2010, 12:46 PM
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My suggestion is the one you do not desire.

Get medical attention for your medical problem. Hiding it for other purposes is a very short-term goal; one that could shorten your lifespan.


Other than that, relaxation techniques may provide some short-term benefits. "Happy Place," deep breathing....
This is correct advice. You need to do whatever is necessary to reduce it, which at those numbers indicate meds, at least in the short term. Taking BP meds is not that big a deal. Diet, weight loss and exercise may help in the long term.

Those are dangerous numbers and need to be reduced immediately. They don't call high blood pressure the silent killer for nothing.

If you don't take long term action you are placing yourself at a higher risk for a heart attack or a stroke. Ask me how I know.
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Old May 08, 2010, 01:03 PM
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And I would think the last place you would ever want to have that heart attack or stroke would be in the left seat of a cockpit
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Old May 08, 2010, 01:05 PM
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I have plenty of Gomers' come to ER and try to make theirs go up. I can always tell.

There's no way to "cheat" on a physical.

Though aspirin may help in the long run ( helps thin blood among other things ) it's not a short term fix. Hypertention can be reversed by proper eating, exercise and lowering your cholesterol and medications if needed. But do not take it lightly. It is a killer.

As far as trying to get it down in two weeks without medication, rest, relax, mild exercise, drink plenty of water, eat right, no smoking or etoh, don't worry and mostly only check it about every three days. Believe me, the more you check it (during a single setting), the higher it will go. Also, follow up with your PCP. 160/80 is not that bad, but youy would rather have it around 120 to 140. The diastolic (top number) is more important than the systolic (bottom).
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Old May 08, 2010, 01:11 PM
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I left my high BP go for too long. Had a Heart attack at age 50. Was not obese, did not have high cholesteral, just the high BP. Don't ignore it! Get it treated.
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Old May 08, 2010, 01:35 PM
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LoL! As a completely non-political and non-religious person I find ltup the most entertaining forum on rcg.

The problem, according to JAR FCL3, is:
"Treatment for the control of blood
pressure shall be compatible with the safe exercise
of the privileges of the applicable licence(s) and be
[ ][compliant] with paragraph 4 Appendix 1 to
Subpart C. The initiation of [ ][medication] shall
require a period of temporary suspension of the
medical certificate to establish the absence of
significant side effects.
" (Bold mine)

I'm not sure exactly what is involved with the temporary suspension, but knowing local bureaucrats, starting proper treatment now might blow the whole season. As said, I have never had any symptoms.

Thanks everyone for your suggestions.
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Old May 08, 2010, 01:54 PM
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LoL! As a completely non-political and non-religious person I find ltup the most entertaining forum on rcg.

The problem, according to JAR FCL3, is:
"Treatment for the control of blood
pressure shall be compatible with the safe exercise
of the privileges of the applicable licence(s) and be
[ ][compliant] with paragraph 4 Appendix 1 to
Subpart C. The initiation of [ ][medication] shall
require a period of temporary suspension of the
medical certificate to establish the absence of
significant side effects. " (Bold mine)

I'm not sure exactly what is involved with the temporary suspension, but knowing local bureaucrats, starting proper treatment now might blow the whole season. As said, I have never had any symptoms.

Thanks everyone for your suggestions.
I didn't have any "symptoms" either. Cholesterol was 109 (very low) - right up until my heart attack - at 47!
I'm now 61, low BP (124/71 last week), Cholesterol at 114. Diet, exercise, meds, weight loss, eat smart.

Silent killer - there is frequently no warning.

I understand you don't want your flying curtailed, but if you don't fix this you'll fail the physical anyhow. If you have a heart attack or stroke, they'll likely pull your license. Permanently.

62pilot gave you some good advice. He's a health care professional and knows what he's talking about.

Take care of yourself and good luck.

BTW, reduce your sodium intake significantly. It will increase your BP.
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Old May 08, 2010, 02:02 PM
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My BP is normal, but I dropped it 10 points during the course of a doctors visit once.

When it was first taken at the beginning, I was in a foul mood for having to wait an hour for my appointment on a busy day. At the end of the appointment it had gone down significantly.

So, being relaxed and happy helps!

-Steve
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Old May 08, 2010, 03:23 PM
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Mu suggestions,

Run for 20 minutes every day... In 2 weeks you will see results.
take an aspirin every day.
Practice relaxing... Get a heart rate monitor and learn to slow your rate and relax. Get yourself nice and calm before you go into the medical office and do what you have practiced during the exam.

I don't know if you fly 91 , 121 or 135 but if your situation allows and you may have a week where you don't need/have to fly, get an extra week of running/cardio in!
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