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Old Oct 02, 2011, 08:57 AM
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Hi guys. Remember me tellin' y'all on the SkySurfer/Bixlers & all the different versions & deliveries et al, that I suspected there was more than one factory involved?

Phase One: Who exactly is BlitzRCWorks?
It's these guys: http://www.lxhm.us/en/products.asp
Their actual name (despite the 'Sky Flight Hobby Co., Ltd name you'll see) is Shenzhen Lanxiang Model Aircraft Co., Ltd. - aka LanXiang Models; aka LX Models.
*(Well....as "exactly" as you should expect to get with the Chinese)

The link takes you to their product page for RC Airplanes. Question: Why doesn't SkySurfer appear in their product line?

To quote a famous TV Marine: "Surprise, surprise, surprise!"
Want to sell Skysurfers under your own name? Note the "Supply Ability: 100 Pieces per Week:"
http://uk.alibaba.com/product/358868...aft-model.html
Shenzhen City Riccs Electronic Technology Co., Ltd. - Guangdong, China

And versions? You NEED a steenkin' version!
SH how do you know that BlitzRCWorks is those guys? In the link you provide I could not find any mention of that word but maybe I overlooked something. Oh, if I did overlook it then "Sorry. Its nothing", as they say on their website.

As for your question Why doesn't SS appear in thier product line I think its because they don't manufacture it, J-Power do.

The supply ability is just the manufacturing or production ability not Minimum Order Quantaties.

What intrigues me is the link to BH on their site, maybe they are one and the same entity.
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Old Oct 02, 2011, 09:08 AM
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Personally, I'd prefer you stop the dangerous nonsense or follow through with your promise, "...but if you stop me flying crazy I would give up the hobby all together." This hobby is enjoyed by tens of thousands of good folks who enjoy flying model aircraft and we do not need your antics to give us all a black eye and negative press which will certainly happen someday. You will NEVER convince me otherwise.

I guess I am simply saying, give it up or get out of the hobby!

Aeronca
Well said Aeronca, but at the end of the day you can only lead a horse to water you can not make it drink.
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Old Oct 02, 2011, 09:20 AM
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I guess I am simply saying, give it up or get out of the hobby!
That is funny! My first hobby is HAMradio and for some strange reason I’ve been told to do the same many times within 30 years of being there but never the less I am still there with some crazy set up of mine. So I think it is enough of that discussion and I promise never posting any of that type of flying here to keep your nerves save especially considering that it is definite OFF TOP. I am not considering myself an expert in fact I accept that I am a newbie flying for only 6 month. I am not going to jeopardize “tens of thousands of good folks who enjoy boring flying model aircraft and do not need my antics to give you all a black eye and negative press” for one simple reason – I am too far away from you. Those videos were just to get guys understanding why I had some certain modes on my SS and has nothing to do with antics. Only few people apart from you saw them but definitely enjoyed watching them. Sorry for getting you exited. No more!
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you can only lead a horse to water you can not make it drink.
Good saying! I’ll have to remember it!
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Old Oct 02, 2011, 11:08 AM
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Well said Aeronca, but at the end of the day you can only lead a horse to water you can not make it drink.
Small wonder after reading his last post about his involvement in HAM radio, another hobby of mine. After his last post we're obviously not dealing with an entire horse, only the horse's . It's people like him that ruin things for others - his obvious purpose in life.

Welcome to my ignore list, ua3xds. You definitely having nothing to add of value.

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Old Oct 02, 2011, 11:31 AM
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Now, that's a completely different version - NOT a Sky Surfer per se.
For some odd reason, I was attracted by the name. *heh heh heh* & thought the landing gear was a novel touch.
Point is....tell 'em what you want, you can get it. And I dare venture they ain't the only ones you can get it from, by far.
Moral (since we're into those currently): Them Chinee is some convoluted folk, indeed. Their business practices (& stickin' to a brand by company names, apparently non-existant trademarking protocols) ain't like no system we're used to seeing or operate under here.

J-Power is currently crowing about a new concept they're calling '3O' (three o, not thirty). Excerpt, with some key word highlighting:
"J-POWER GROUP CO., LIMITED is a company based in HONGKONG, while has factories in SHENZHEN. Its main production programme is a design and manufacture of Remote Control products.

Electric-powered scale aircraft model is J-POWER’s first step. Our object is to be a all-round RC products supplier.

We strictly control the sale system, and we are now building the 3O’ system (One product in One area, only for One customer). ..."

I read that as their being primarily a Sales company, contracting factories to produce products they've generated sales for....and (considering interpretation) they're looking to set themselves up as a "Your One-Stop Supplier For All Your Company's RC Needs", tho the 'sound' of it is that they're consolidating sales for, say, BananaHobby's line of products into one area of a factory, or one factory. The 'breaker' here is that, if you'll peruse the products produced by that LanXiang Models Ltd company, they ought to look VERY familiar. Yet no Sky Surfer. What does that tell ya? Different factory! And the different versions....V1, V2 & ?V3? SkySurfers / Bixlers / & now Beta 1400? "Tell us what you want - we'll get it made". And no factory with capacity to produce only 100pcs / week ain't about to meet the world demand of these extremely popular planes!! Still think they all come from the same place? I don't.
Jalin (aka J-Power) doesn't mfg., he uses contract manufacturers. That's nothing new in the product world. In the business my company is in we will source through multiple suppliers for the same design using multiple sets of tooling or different versions are made at different mfgs. J Power may use factory A for V1, and factory B for V2, and so on. One thing is certain, they all use the same crappy electronic suppliers.
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Old Oct 02, 2011, 11:41 AM
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That is funny! My first hobby is HAMradio and for some strange reason I’ve been told to do the same many times within 30 years of being there but never the less I am still there with some crazy set up of mine. So I think it is enough of that discussion and I promise never posting any of that type of flying here to keep your nerves save especially considering that it is definite OFF TOP. I am not considering myself an expert in fact I accept that I am a newbie flying for only 6 month. I am not going to jeopardize “tens of thousands of good folks who enjoy boring flying model aircraft and do not need my antics to give you all a black eye and negative press” for one simple reason – I am too far away from you. Those videos were just to get guys understanding why I had some certain modes on my SS and has nothing to do with antics. Only few people apart from you saw them but definitely enjoyed watching them. Sorry
for getting you exited. No more!

Good saying! I’ll have to remember it!
This post explains it to me. I expect maybe you are one of those radio hams that enjoy 'squeaking' and jamming over peoples QSOs. Well it must be boring just having a friendly chat.
There is one point that I could agree with you. At times it could be 'Boring' just normal flying circuits. This is why I like glider type models and the challenge of finding thermals and staying aloft without power for as long as possible.
Then again I don't think you would find FPV boring. But we already have 'Trappy' that you might follow.
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Old Oct 02, 2011, 11:47 AM
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Yo Papo...
Keepin' it here for benefit of anyone else who might run into that.
Just happened to me too. It's either something new (format) from PayPal, or a form of 'Checkout' software your vendor is using - mine happened with Horizon Hobby about 15 mins ago.
There's no doubt in my mind this new setup is frustrating a LOT of people.
HTH!
SH, thanks for the info & support. Guess I am still curious if anyone out there IS ablle to use PayPal when shopping at HK. Even more so if anyone had problems with this method of payment but found a solution to the problem. I buy a lot of product from HK & it is a VERY frustrating process for me right now.. PM's appreciated if you can buy through HK with PayPal.. Thanks,
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Old Oct 02, 2011, 11:59 AM
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I’ll tell you what guys; this is the friendliest thread of all I’ve come across with. The only one which is close to that is Subaru auto forum in Russia, but I’ve got Toyota so just read it not participating. Some of you accuse me of my flying style. You might be right but I got into this only because of that. Say if I flew only in the field I would get bored within a week. Flying in the field is only training for some crazy stuff for me. I am absolutely certain that SkySurfer is the safest plane to do all that. The motor is week, it is at the back, the nose is empty and soft, the plane is light. I catch in by my hands in 90% cases and there were accessions when I was catching it with my face. My kids are in the same ‘danger’ as the other strangers in the street and my 9 year old daughter on a quiet day will easily dare to catch it and I would let her. I am not convincing any body to do the same but if you stop me flying crazy I would give up the hobby all together. In most cases things happened without my initiation. Yesterday for instance there was a 4x4 club birthday in the gave reserve. So the guys asked me to join them with the plane since there was RC show in their agenda. I came there I found that no one was flying (big wooden planes). So I though if I came I had to fly … I took off and learned that it was a bit too windy since my hat would get flown away all the time. So after about 30 minutes of flying and then about 5 minutes struggling to lend some one come to me and said that it was so windy that no one risked to fly beside me. Apparently the wind was 10 m/sec and the landing field was only 10x30 meters. So video in that weather was not to good but the photos are OK! Hope that 4x4 club is going to be happy.
Sorry if it is OT.
The pictures are here:
https://picasaweb.google.com/UA3XDS/4x4
Landing was on that sandy bank near the volleyball field. Any where else there were the fences2 meters high.
I'm sure no one wants to be unfriendly, but I think you minimize the risks of your flying far more than you should. The nose of that plane is not 'empty and soft', it is full of almost half a pound of battery (2200 mah 3S as far forward as it can go). It may seem quite harmless when you purposely stall it so that you or your daughter can catch it, but what if something happened and it was out of control? Remember that cell phone tower and the out of control loops your plane was doing? How fast was it going at the bottom of those loops? How fast would it be going if it was in an uncontrolled dive? I don't think 50 mph is unreasonable. Would you want to be hit in the head with a half pound of battery and radio gear padded by a bit of foam going 50 mph? And if the motor was running wide open at the time it could be going a good bit faster.

I don't want to be unfriendly, but I think your flying is just plain careless and dangerous. Like I said, I am glad you are flying over there and not over here so that when something happens it doesn't reflect on us. But for the sake of the people around you I would really be a lot happier if you sat down and seriously thought about what could happen. For one reason or another, planes go out of control quite regularly. They don't normally hurt anyone because they are usually being flown in relatively safe areas. If they were being flown over a busy town center, like yours, people could, and probably would be hurt. And the pilots would be in a lot of trouble.

And about catching it with your face... where's the video?

FLY SAFE!

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Old Oct 02, 2011, 12:31 PM
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OK StarHopper44 this is about what thrust I have It was done on a postal scale by subtracting weight of fuslage motor not running from weight at WOT got about 25oz. APC 6 x4 E prop 3s 1300mAh 25C Batt.
Sound any where near right ?
Thank you
Sayers1 ( jerry )

OK, set up the lab & ran a series of thrust tests this morning.
Methodology: 3 sample runs on each prop setup at half then full throttle for 5 seconds each, videotaping scale readout then re-viewed for analysis, numbers smoothed then averaged over the 3 runs.
First run on stock 5x3 prop, then on 6x4, with an intermediate stage just for giggles. (And to check a point). That being, 2nd run was with the 6x4 mounted backwards; 3rd & final run, mounted properly.

The results are shown below [figures are averaged thrust in ounces]:
PROP..........HALF.....FULL THROTTLE
5x3............ 9.42.... 21.65
6x4 Bkwds... 6.35.... 13.45
6x4 Fwd..... 11.5..... 21.67*
*Note ~same as 5x3 :: at point of 3rd run @Full, CellDiag showed LiPo had dropped 0.93Volts & 822 mA.
Half-throttle readings were stick set only....no notches counted or anything - just 'straight up' so are approximate. Just wanted to see what it took to keep 'er cruising along; and the backwards test was to compare to whatever you came up with, "just to make sure". ~
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Old Oct 02, 2011, 12:38 PM
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OK, set up the lab & ran a series of thrust tests this morning.
Methodology: 3 sample runs on each prop setup at half then full throttle for 5 seconds each, videotaping scale readout then re-viewed for analysis, numbers smoothed then averaged over the 3 runs.
First run on stock 5x3 prop, then on 6x4, with an intermediate stage just for giggles. (And to check a point). That being, 2nd run was with the 6x4 mounted backwards; 3rd & final run, mounted properly.

The results are shown below [figures are averaged thrust in ounces]:
PROP..........HALF.....FULL THROTTLE
5x3............ 9.42.... 21.65
6x4 Bkwds... 6.35.... 13.45
6x4 Fwd..... 11.5..... 21.67*
*Note ~same as 5x3 :: at point of 3rd run @Full, CellDiag showed LiPo had dropped 0.93Volts & 822 mA.
Half-throttle readings were stick set only....no notches counted or anything - just 'straight up' so are approximate. Just wanted to see what it took to keep 'er cruising along; and the backwards test was to compare to whatever you came up with, "just to make sure". ~
6x4 prop should have higher thrust at full throttle. Your pack is sagging.
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Old Oct 02, 2011, 01:00 PM
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And about catching it with your face... where's the video?
Oh! I'll have to look for it! It is there some where. I am only afraid that the camera was looking aside! But I remember I was smiling watching it. It was in the field and a parking lot so showing it should not be breaking my promise. As I said let us think about it this way – no more risky videos means no more risky flying. Just wanted to say one thing have a look in the sky. What do you see there? See those tiny shiny things there right over your head? Do you know what they are? They are metal things about 100 tons of weight filled with people. And you know what? They also drop and pretty often. We had one killing a very successful hokey team few weeks ago. The questing is would you refuse flying them? They are way more sophisticated machines which means that they have way more things to go wrong.
And as for the amateur radio as some one said I do get bored with the local chat or pileuping to Europe or Japan or even to the USA. What I like is having a good talk and laugh on the radio and make friends all over the world. The best type of contact for me is having someone from the middle of Nowhere on the other end willing to talk like a human being not a robot. “Hear you 59, NEXT … 59, next …”. Wanna see what that is like? Come over to 14.183 right now (I would suggest 180 but there is an Indonesian guy there).
Oh! And a couple of proves of my words:
http://i27.fastpic.ru/big/2011/1002/...020b73ec46.jpg
http://i31.fastpic.ru/big/2011/1002/...bc71dfc117.jpg
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Old Oct 02, 2011, 01:45 PM
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Thrust meter

I just came across this thrust meter

http://www.tahmazo.com/products/catalogue/10/137

and pdf manual here

http://www.tahmazo.com/files/Tahmazo...nstruction.pdf

Anyone has or used one before? I want to get one but at $ 112- + shipping from Singapore Hobby here

http://202.157.173.69/?q=product/brand/TAHMAZO (the only place I could find that retailed them)

I would like some more info before placing order.
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Old Oct 02, 2011, 02:17 PM
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I just came across this thrust meter

http://www.tahmazo.com/products/catalogue/10/137

and pdf manual here

http://www.tahmazo.com/files/Tahmazo...nstruction.pdf

Anyone has or used one before? I want to get one but at $ 112- + shipping from Singapore Hobby here

http://202.157.173.69/?q=product/brand/TAHMAZO (the only place I could find that retailed them)

I would like some more info before placing order.
First time I've seen or heard of this one and it does look interesting and convenient! I have seen homemade versions using a postal scale that are far less expensive even if you have to buy the scale. I have a digital postal scale that measures in ounces, pounds, grams, and kilograms and have always planned to make a thrust meter with it but haven't gotten around to it. IMHO, the price of the Tahmazo seems too high for the amount of use I would get from a thrust meter, so I think I'll wait until I build one using my digital postal scale.

Thanks for the links though, it is an interesting and compact item!

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Old Oct 02, 2011, 02:25 PM
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6x4 prop should have higher thrust at full throttle. Your pack is sagging.
He knows. His wife reminds him daily.
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Old Oct 02, 2011, 03:04 PM
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My homebrew Thrust Meter

Here is what I made and use to test the thrust of my setups. It is made from 1/2" pvc, some threaded rod and a few pvc connectors etc. The scale is from Harbor Freight and the total cost was around $20. Works great for me however it wouldn't work unless the motor was out of the plane as you can see. Sure beats $100 and is fairly accurate. I make up some extra mount so I can use different bolt patterns for different motors. Mounts detatch with 1 screw.

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