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Old Jul 28, 2011, 09:05 AM
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I started flying FPV in my Bixler with 2.4, as I was using it as a trainer for my co-pilots (my DX5e's are my trainer boxes). However, even at relatively close range I was getting signal failures so I put in my 72mhz. The antenna is simply run along the bottom of the fuse (next to the cf I glued into the slot) and then taped in with packing tape.
You may or may not be affecting your range by putting your 72mhz antenna right next to a long carbon rod/tube. You've flown it that way, so it can't be that bad, but it could fail at .5 miles instead of 1.5

It would be simple to do a collapsed antenna ground range test both the way you have it and also say running the antenna along the wing for a test. Rotate the plane so that you are looking at the antenna from the side both times. Get it up off the ground (but not on anything metal) for this test.

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Old Jul 28, 2011, 09:55 AM
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Try this, it will either work or not, but will cost you nothing.

Assure the prop is removed first. NEVER work on an airplane with the prop on ESPECIALLY if having this sort of flakey ESC issues. If I catch you leaving the prop on I'm going to have to show you some very graphic photos involving a close friend of mine and 70 stitches from when he had exactly this sort of problem.

Now (assuming everything is connected correctly)
1. Turn on transmitter and make sure throttle is all the way down.
2. Plug battery into ESC. Do you hear any beeps? If yes - this is good if no then do you have other servo control. If yes to either question go to 3
3. Advance the throttle all the way to high and leave it there for at least one second - two is better (to be sure). Do you hear beeps now?
4. Return throttle all the way down. Any beeps ?
5. Advance throttle up again. At this point the motor should turn. Ideally not before this time if it has an adequate arming (safety) feature.

If it did not turn on yet - unplug and turn off everything and repeat procedure but this time reverse the placement of the throttle -- start all the way up....

Please report your findings. We want to get you in the air.
With prop removed:

FIRST CYCLE:
Step 1 - TX starting with throttle down, OK
Step 2 - Battery plugged in. 3 beeps
Step 3 - Throttle up=quiet, no motor
Step 4 - Throttle down=quiet
Step 5 - Throttle up, motor does not turn, quiet

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unplug and turn off everything and repeat procedure but this time reverse the placement of the throttle -- start all the way up....
SECOND CYCLE
Step 1 - TX starting with throttle up, OK
Step 2 - Battery plugged in. Not three but many beeps, similar to morse code (longs & shorts) with each "letter" repeated 4 times. There might be 3 beeps in the patten somewhere.
Step 3 - Throttle stick down. The beeping stops after two short beeps. I have control of rudder, elevator, & ailerons. Not the motor.
Step 4 - Throttle up=quiet.
Step 5 - Throttle down=quiet, motor does not turn.

I never did get the motor to turn.
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Old Jul 28, 2011, 10:19 AM
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With prop removed:

FIRST CYCLE:
Step 1 - TX starting with throttle down, OK
Step 2 - Battery plugged in. 3 beeps
Step 3 - Throttle up=quiet, no motor
Step 4 - Throttle down=quiet
Step 5 - Throttle up, motor does not turn, quiet



SECOND CYCLE
Step 1 - TX starting with throttle up, OK
Step 2 - Battery plugged in. Not three but many beeps, similar to morse code (longs & shorts) with each "letter" repeated 4 times. There might be 3 beeps in the patten somewhere.
Step 3 - Throttle stick down. The beeping stops after two short beeps. I have control of rudder, elevator, & ailerons. Not the motor.
Step 4 - Throttle up=quiet.
Step 5 - Throttle down=quiet, motor does not turn.

I never did get the motor to turn.
I am missing something. Please video your power on procedure. Maybe we can see something amiss.
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Old Jul 28, 2011, 10:21 AM
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I never did get the motor to turn.
Try unplugging the motor from the ESC and check for voltage on the wires coming from the ESC that go to the motor. With the system on and throttle up of course...

You could check for continuity through the motor windings as well.
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Old Jul 28, 2011, 12:00 PM
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Are you in acro mode or heli mode on your transmitter?
Looking at your problems, it sounds like you're getting into programming mode on the second cycle so at least it recognizes the throttle position.
I agree, a video of you doing both methods would help. I'll be on vacation starting tomorrow so I can look at the thread regularly so I'll try to keep up and help when I can.
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Old Jul 28, 2011, 01:08 PM
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What size esc is that?
I have a 25 amp ESC.
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Old Jul 28, 2011, 01:19 PM
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My SS maiden flight!!

Plane flew great. It needed just a touch of up elevator and right aileron. did a couple loops, rolls and inverted flight. ran most of the time at 1/2 to 3/4 throttle. tried power off glide and it acted like a glider! After a 10 min flight I landed and the motor was cool, ESC and Batt just a little warm.. started to sprinkle so I headed home
I think the SS and I are going to have a happy relationship :-)
Sorry no video, I was alone today.
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Old Jul 28, 2011, 01:48 PM
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I was just notified this morning that the Bixler is back in stock at HK so I pulled the trigger. The beach will be my "flying field" and I felt this would be a good plane for some laid-back flying there, and with the high-mounted pusher-style motor I should be able to minimize motor damage from the sand. Now the waiting game begins...

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Old Jul 28, 2011, 01:58 PM
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I was just notified this morning that the Bixler is back in stock at HK so I pulled the trigger. The beach will be my "flying field" and I felt this would be a good plane for some laid-back flying there, and with the high-mounted pusher-style motor I should be able to minimize motor damage from the sand. Now the waiting game begins...

Aeronca

Mind if i ask what you paid for it shipped? I want a new airframe. i think it is about $70 shipped if i am not mistaken. I need to check.

As far as landing in sand, well, i am jealous. But really, it should be fine. i land on hard rocks & dirt (caliche and red clay) and it handles it well. My paint job on the other hand is begging for some landing gear!
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Old Jul 28, 2011, 02:05 PM
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With prop removed:

FIRST CYCLE:
Step 1 - TX starting with throttle down, OK
Step 2 - Battery plugged in. 3 beeps
Step 3 - Throttle up=quiet, no motor
Step 4 - Throttle down=quiet
Step 5 - Throttle up, motor does not turn, quiet



SECOND CYCLE
Step 1 - TX starting with throttle up, OK
Step 2 - Battery plugged in. Not three but many beeps, similar to morse code (longs & shorts) with each "letter" repeated 4 times. There might be 3 beeps in the patten somewhere.
Step 3 - Throttle stick down. The beeping stops after two short beeps. I have control of rudder, elevator, & ailerons. Not the motor.
Step 4 - Throttle up=quiet.
Step 5 - Throttle down=quiet, motor does not turn.

I never did get the motor to turn.
I believe you throttle is not reversed.

What is the voltage output of your battery? (thinking LVC) Is it fully charged?
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Old Jul 28, 2011, 02:13 PM
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Mind if i ask what you paid for it shipped? I want a new airframe. i think it is about $70 shipped if i am not mistaken. I need to check.

As far as landing in sand, well, i am jealous. But really, it should be fine. i land on hard rocks & dirt (caliche and red clay) and it handles it well. My paint job on the other hand is begging for some landing gear!
Well, I just looked so i'm gonna answer my own question in case anybody else was wondering:

The arf is in stock in the Intl warehouse and costs appx $10 more than the OOS kit. I think the motor and crappy servos are worth at least that.
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Old Jul 28, 2011, 02:13 PM
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Mind if i ask what you paid for it shipped? I want a new airframe. i think it is about $70 shipped if i am not mistaken. I need to check.

As far as landing in sand, well, i am jealous. But really, it should be fine. i land on hard rocks & dirt (caliche and red clay) and it handles it well. My paint job on the other hand is begging for some landing gear!
Well, I went for the RTF instead of the ARF (don't ask me why - I have a DX6i with a spare RX all ready to go!?!?). I also added a couple of extra batteries and the total came out to an embarassing $162.96 because I went for the faster shipping (nearly $50).

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Old Jul 28, 2011, 02:27 PM
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Bixlers #2 and 3 Arrive

To recap -- We received or first Bixler with the first wave back in June. Ours was one of the first received -- several on this list all received the same day. There were some major issues with it.

Today we received Bix #2 and #3. One is going to be a club trainer and the other a night flyer.

The first thing I noticed was the boxes had been opened and hand writing apparently confirming the contents on the ends of the boxes. I hypothesize that either the shipping dock needed to verify that it was the ARF and then taped the box, or customs.

Upon opening the box everything looked normal. However as I gently removed the left wing something was amiss. See pictures below.

Damage was a control horn broken and scared surface of one wing. The servo was pulled out, but that's an EZ fix.

Changes -- The carbon fiber spar is much improved - exactly the same as the sky surfer I also received today from Tim. >>>> EDIT: I measured the wrong tube earlier - the correct OD IS 5.9mm ID IS 4.7mm and wall thickness is .7mm for both the Bixler and sky surfer. <<<<<<

The decals also are much improved. Only the concave wing tips show issues with decal lifting or wrinkling. See pictures. In general the adhesive of the decals seems far better than before. I'm not sure if it's me or not --but the surface of the foam seemed smoother -- even a bit glossy. I need to take a closer look at that later today.

I'll compare with the Sky Surfer that's set to arrive today as well.
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Old Jul 28, 2011, 02:32 PM
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I believe you throttle is not reversed.

What is the voltage output of your battery? (thinking LVC) Is it fully charged?
If your battery is at 11+ volts I vote for a new motor. If your battery is <11 volts I recommend charging it and prepare to go flying in an hour or so.
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Old Jul 28, 2011, 03:57 PM
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If your battery is at 11+ volts I vote for a new motor. If your battery is <11 volts I recommend charging it and prepare to go flying in an hour or so.
Good thing to check. I had problems binding the first time. My neighbor put the battery on his balance charger overnight and everything worked perfectly the second time.
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