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Old May 28, 2012, 08:10 PM
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Well I figured it was the jersey shore since I lived up there for 35 years. I just couldn't place that large bay area with no waves.

If it has a big dent then it really can be crabbing and hard to trim. Maybe retirement is in the cards for that one.
You don't notice crabbing when your doing anything other then a strait line flight.
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Old May 28, 2012, 08:59 PM
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Well I figured it was the jersey shore since I lived up there for 35 years. I just couldn't place that large bay area with no waves.

If it has a big dent then it really can be crabbing and hard to trim. Maybe retirement is in the cards for that one.
LOL,
Yeah actually it is a bay area,and stinky one too LOL but at this time this is one of the least crowded space I am willing to drive to LOL.
Too bad that at the eve its fly's heaven. As for the Sky Surfer I may just scrap this one, tried boiling abut fuse it out of whack so time for new hopefully better built. It had really short life. On maiden I had someone (experienced) to throw it straight to the ground and trouble followed LOL.
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Old May 28, 2012, 09:03 PM
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Hey the Jersey Shore! I am originally from Seaside :P
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Old May 28, 2012, 09:06 PM
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LOL,
I wish I could leave this state behind me LOL.
but Im stuck ((
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Old May 28, 2012, 10:06 PM
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LOL,
I wish I could leave this state behind me LOL.
but Im stuck ((
Why I went to Cali, amongst other reasons.
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Old May 28, 2012, 10:09 PM
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If you have not done this yet, remove the useless nose weights, beef up your spar,{lots of ways to do that on page 1} and start using a 2200 mah bat,{better penetration}. Personally, i don't think it is necessary to glue the spar right in the wing, but also on page 1 there is a lot of ways to make your wings stay in the wing root.
Something to remember when teaching yourself to fly,GET UP TO ALTITUDE,then start moving the sticks around,but keep in mind that the raideo is not a game controller, keep the movements gentle untill you figure out the sensitivity of them.
Sounded like you and your father had a blast though.

I am by no means an expert, but i hope this helps.
Yup! It was fun for sure just watching the plane fly. I did beef it up a bit today -- the wing CF rod was cracked in the middle, so I bought a 3mm rod and epoxied it inside the stock 6mm one - the wings are WAY more stable now. I already did remove the nose washers and have a 2200 mAh battery as well. Also, when I got the 3mm rod today, I also picked up a couple 2mm solid rods and epoxied one into the channel on the bottom of the fuselage to strengthen the tail section when I land nose-first.

I'm still figuring out a way to hold the wings together, although some packing tape wrapped around the spar is doing the job for now.

I have a friend who used to fly nitro planes back in the 70s, so he is helping me get oriented. I think I reignited his passion too, since he's now thinking of getting back into the hobby again.

By the way, some other responders said the trim is difficult with this plane, and I have to agree. We are having a hard time just getting it to fly straight and level. I do balance the CG at 60mm from the leading edge, and the ailerons appear to be even. But it still banks left -- the foam must be bent or something.

Anyway -- thanks for all the help!
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Old May 28, 2012, 10:18 PM
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Not sure about all of the trim complaints lately... check your CG balance not just for and aft, but from side to side as well, yes a bend in any structure of the plane could result in odd flying characteristics, but I think it would have to be pretty bad, my nose is slightly crooked to the left and it creates no ill effects... As a noob this one is tougher but also check your thrust angle on the motor because that is a likely cause for left or right roll.
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Old May 29, 2012, 12:11 AM
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Just finished my build..... Thought I would share some piccies of what I did with my Bixler kit.... Wanted to keep as much as possible inside the fuselage for a clean look.

Setup is:

RCTIMER 2826 2200kv motor
APC 6x4E Prop
Turnigy 30C 3 Cell 2200mah batteries
50amp Hobbyking ESC
6v UBEC 5A peak
Turnigy TG9e 9gm Servos
Hobbyking 401B Gyro
Spektrum AR600 Receiver

On a storage charged Lipo for testing things out saw 280 Watts @ 28 Amps on the Wattmeter





RC Timer 2826 2200kv The standard upgrade with 6x4E APC Prop



Upgraded all the control horns to Dubro Nylon versions....



Did all the usual CF reinforcing.... Elevator, Wings and inside the fuselage... 3mm CF Rod on the Elevator, 6mm Rod everywhere else.



Hobbyking Gyro for the Ailerons.... Another piece of foam running vertical reinforced with toothpicks and epoxy. Velcro mounted Gyro



Aileron setup.....



Hopefully should go alright, yet to maiden it..... And dammit missing a canopy magnet in the kit
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Old May 29, 2012, 01:17 AM
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Amfamora -

For the gyro to work on the ailerons it needs to be laying flat in (parallel to) the fuselage and rotated 90 degrees from where you have it!
Or is that one infact operating the ailerons correctly when you rock the wings?

(With magnets, order a bunch of them, I actually use them to hold the wings on, on my Bixler!)

-B!LL!
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Old May 29, 2012, 01:36 AM
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It works in that orientation Laying it horizontal you'd be good for a rudder Gyro.......
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Old May 29, 2012, 07:59 AM
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Thank you for all the pictures, Amfamora! What was the cost of the plane and all the upgrades, if you don't mind me asking? Is the SkyS/Bixler the plane to put that kind of upgrading into being new to RC planes, or would it be better to 'upgrade' the plane itself once I get more experience with this trainer?

Oh, and what does a 'gyro' do?

Thanks!
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Old May 29, 2012, 08:46 AM
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Oh, and what does a 'gyro' do?

Thanks!
Bryan
A gyro is a device to provide added stability on windy days. In this case it looks like there is only one gyro on the plane -- an aileron gyro to control roll of the plane. The bottom line benefit is more days to fly. The gyro can make compensating movements of the servo far quicker than the pilot.
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Old May 29, 2012, 10:18 AM
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A gyro is a device provide added stability on windy days. In this case it looks like there is only one gyro on the plane -- an aileron gyro to control roll of the plane. The bottom line benefit is more days to fly. The gyro can make compensating movements of the servo far quicker than the pilot.
can a heli gyro be use on a rc plane?
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Old May 29, 2012, 10:50 AM
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Yup! It was fun for sure just watching the plane fly. I did beef it up a bit today -- the wing CF rod was cracked in the middle, so I bought a 3mm rod and epoxied it inside the stock 6mm one - the wings are WAY more stable now. I already did remove the nose washers and have a 2200 mAh battery as well. Also, when I got the 3mm rod today, I also picked up a couple 2mm solid rods and epoxied one into the channel on the bottom of the fuselage to strengthen the tail section when I land nose-first.

I'm still figuring out a way to hold the wings together, although some packing tape wrapped around the spar is doing the job for now.

I have a friend who used to fly nitro planes back in the 70s, so he is helping me get oriented. I think I reignited his passion too, since he's now thinking of getting back into the hobby again.

By the way, some other responders said the trim is difficult with this plane, and I have to agree. We are having a hard time just getting it to fly straight and level. I do balance the CG at 60mm from the leading edge, and the ailerons appear to be even. But it still banks left -- the foam must be bent or something.

Anyway -- thanks for all the help!
The drifting left thing could be caused by a few things such as, left wing could weigh more than the right, vertical stab may be out of line, or your horizontal sta might have a slight warp.
May i suggest giving every thing a close eyeball and try taping somthing flat on the right wing, like a nickel or quarter.
Hope this helps.
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Old May 29, 2012, 11:00 AM
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The drifting left thing could be caused by a few things such as, left wing could weigh more than the right, vertical stab may be out of line, or your horizontal sta might have a slight warp.
May i suggest giving every thing a close eyeball and try taping somthing flat on the right wing, like a nickel or quarter.
Hope this helps.
Yes -- or I was thinking of just adjusting the aileron clevis until it flew level with no trim.
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