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Old Jun 05, 2003, 03:03 AM
Peter Harrison
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Keyless Chucks on hand drills - are they all cack?

I have a Black and Decker cordless drill - fine for my purposes but the
chuck...

It is a keyless chuck that seems determined to act as a safety clutch.
Are there any worthwhile replacements or should I just give in and put a
proper chuck on it?

It is probably not worth winging at B&D in any event.


Peter Harrison
http://micromouse.cannock.ac.uk/
Old Jun 05, 2003, 03:03 AM
Nick Mueller
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Re: Keyless Chucks on hand drills - are they all cack?

Peter Harrison <peter_harrison@ntlworld.com> wrote:

> Are there any worthwhile replacements or should I just give in and put a
> proper chuck on it?


Albrecht.

Does the drill run in reverse too? Then pay attention, not all keyless
chucks work in reverse (Does Albrecht offer those, I don't know)!


Nick
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Never use force, just go and get a bigger hammer.
Old Jun 05, 2003, 03:03 AM
timleech
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Re: Keyless Chucks on hand drills - are they all cack?

On Wed, 4 Jun 2003 20:59:11 +0100, Peter Harrison
<peter_harrison@ntlworld.com> wrote:

>I have a Black and Decker cordless drill - fine for my purposes but the
>chuck...
>
>It is a keyless chuck that seems determined to act as a safety clutch.
>Are there any worthwhile replacements or should I just give in and put a
>proper chuck on it?
>
>It is probably not worth winging at B&D in any event.
>

The newer Jacobs chucks made specifically for hand-held drills are
pretty good for what they are. Better than the one that came with my
(expensive!) Metabo cordless. I've just chucked that chuck out (!)&
fitted a Jacobs with carbide jaws, which I picked up from a stall at
Harrogate. Huge improvement.

Cheers
Tim

Tim Leech
Dutton Dry-Dock

Traditional & Modern canal craft repairs
Old Jun 06, 2003, 03:01 AM
Steve Blackmore
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Re: Keyless Chucks on hand drills - are they all cack?

On Wed, 4 Jun 2003 23:34:44 +0200, nick@logictools.de (Nick Mueller)
wrote:

>Peter Harrison <peter_harrison@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
>> Are there any worthwhile replacements or should I just give in and put a
>> proper chuck on it?


Good keyless work fine?

>Albrecht.


Put one of them on and the chuck will be worth more than the drill <G>

I was very lucky and got 2 for thirty quid on ebay - super bits of
kit! It's amazing how little tightening is required to stop the drill
from slipping.

>Does the drill run in reverse too? Then pay attention, not all keyless
>chucks work in reverse (Does Albrecht offer those, I don't know)!


Yep the CL range (classi-lock)

The Rohm ones are pretty good too - I put one on and old, big Black &
Decker (A 60's model) and it's still going strong despite all the
concrete and brick dust it's covered in <G>.


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Steve Blackmore
Old Jun 06, 2003, 03:01 AM
Nick Mueller
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Re: Keyless Chucks on hand drills - are they all cack?

Steve Blackmore <steve@pilotltd.net> wrote:

> Put one of them on and the chuck will be worth more than the drill <G>


Right. But it will still be working after the 3. cordless was long gone.
Na, well, an Albrecht is quite overdone for a cordless (especially on a
B&D), I have to admit.


> The Rohm ones are pretty good too -


Yes, I wanted to suggest them too (if money matters).
<nitpicking>It's spelled Röhm, or Roehm if you want</nitpicking>

But keep away from Jackobs, I've only seen crap. *)

*)
I've just read the other posting about Jackobs carbide chucks. I haven't
seen/used them yet. They might be better.


Nick
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Never use force, just go and get a bigger hammer.
Old Jun 06, 2003, 03:01 AM
timleech
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Re: Keyless Chucks on hand drills - are they all cack?

On Thu, 5 Jun 2003 21:02:36 +0200, nick@logictools.de (Nick Mueller)
wrote:

>Steve Blackmore <steve@pilotltd.net> wrote:
>
>> Put one of them on and the chuck will be worth more than the drill <G>

>
>Right. But it will still be working after the 3. cordless was long gone.
>Na, well, an Albrecht is quite overdone for a cordless (especially on a
>B&D), I have to admit.
>
>
>> The Rohm ones are pretty good too -

>
>Yes, I wanted to suggest them too (if money matters).
><nitpicking>It's spelled Röhm, or Roehm if you want</nitpicking>
>

Yes, but how many of us in the UK know how to do an umlaut (sp?) on
our keyboards? <G>

>But keep away from Jackobs, I've only seen crap. *)
>
>*)
>I've just read the other posting about Jackobs carbide chucks. I haven't
>seen/used them yet. They might be better.
>

I use cordless drills a lot, for drilling, driving screws, tapping
etc.
My experience, over several years, of Jacobs keyless chucks made for
that job has been generally better than other makes, especially the
abomination that came with my Metabo (their own brand). Yes, they are
obviously made down to a price, but they work. Best so far, apart from
the carbide jawed job (how long before the carbide chips, I wonder?)
is the one (13mm Jacobs, marked 'hand-tite') that came on a relatively
cheap JCB branded 24V cordless.

Jacobs *keyed* chucks for portable tools are another matter. The
smaller sizes seem to me to be generally poor, and the keys wear out
in no time.
I have an industrial 16mm Jacobs keyless (Italian made) for my mill
which has never gripped properly (from new) when used near its
capacity.

My personal experience only.

Cheers
Tim


Tim Leech
Dutton Dry-Dock

Traditional & Modern canal craft repairs
Old Jun 07, 2003, 03:01 AM
Nick Mueller
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Re: Keyless Chucks on hand drills - are they all cack?

timleech <timleech@dutondok.u-net.com> wrote:

> Yes, but how many of us in the UK know how to do an umlaut (sp?) on
> our keyboards? <G>


I know, sorry. :-)


> I use cordless drills a lot, for drilling, driving screws, tapping
> etc.


My chucks (only in hand drills. My drill press or mill has never seen
them) would never have enough grip for taps. And they are all Jackobs
chucks (or should I say sucks?). All keyless.


> Jacobs *keyed* chucks for portable tools are another matter.


I only have Albrecht, Röhm, or a rebranded make from Hoffmann (one of
Germanys biggest tool dealers) that comes very close to Albrecht.


> I have an industrial 16mm Jacobs keyless (Italian made)


Where do they come from? It looks to me, Jackobs buys the chucks from
all over the world and puts their sticker on them. ;-)


Nick
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Never use force, just go and get a bigger hammer.
 


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